RU QB 2022

[MADHAT1]

2021 has proven to be a season that RU is weak at the QB position and seems like there is no QB on roster that can be trusted to replace Vedral .
So RU , unless Synder or Simon replaces Noah against Illinois in 2 weeks , RU's O can't be counted on to assure a good chance of victory over the Fighting Illini.
Looks like this year the QB situation is kind of hopeless when it comes to leading the team to victory because the talent RU QBs have and struggling to win is more likly the way they playing, even Cole and Evan in limited action..
Sop it's a hope they don't made a mistake situation and one that QB play allows the opposition to key on stopping the running game

The only hope is next year the QB play will be a plus under Gavin Wimsatt and this old baseball Brooklyn Dodger
meme is wht I'm thinking of now for RU FB , like the MLB Bums fans felt like when this was written

In 2022 we'll be saying like this from 1952 says about the Dodgers

 

[mdk01]

All your cutsie pie barbs can be saved and applied to each succeeding QB, cause it don't mean shit without a competent OL.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Rutgers putting all of it's eggs in 1 basket in a historical position. Not even letting Snyder or Simon (Greg's recruit) get any real in game experience can be costly.
Banking in a true frosh kid to be the savior like Hart, that OCs kid, Dodd, or Nova is why we've struggled to have consistent decent play from that position since forever.

 

[RUShea]

Imo Snyder should start next year. Gavin should get 2-3 series every game, in competitive game situations.
If he proves himself worthy, start him mid season. Worst case, he gets valuable reps for 23 when he's the full time starter.
The only issue is I think Snyder transfers.

 

[zappaa]

Bill or George anything but Noah

 

[zappaa]

Imo Snyder should start next year. Gavin should get 2-3 series every game, in competitive game situations.
If he proves himself worthy, start him mid season. Worst case, he gets valuable reps for 23 when he's the full time starter.
The only issue is I think Snyder transfers.

GS even put in the wrong back up today.
He admitted post game Noah only came out because he went into the injury tent.

 

[zappaa]

All your cutsie pie barbs can be saved and applied to each succeeding QB, cause it don't mean shit without a competent OL.

That’s true.
Worst O line in P-5?
I think so

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Bill or George anything but Noah

Or Sue—I still hate that name!

 

[RUChoppin]

Without a much better OLine, QB won't matter. That said, I'd expect the starter next year to be either Wimsatt or a grad transfer.

 

[Kbee3]

All your cutsie pie barbs can be saved and applied to each succeeding QB, cause it don't mean shit without a competent OL.

So true.
How many times did Pacheco run to a hole that wasn't there due to poor O-line play ?
How many times was Vedral under extreme pressure due to an O-line that couldn't pass block for chit ?
And RU played against a qb who was under virtually zero pressure.
You can't win a game like that.
Maybe we'll get lucky and some of the O-line recruits in the 2022 class can step up right away and help RU win some battles in the trenches next year. Maybe we can get some help from the transfer portal.
We've got a long way to go.

 

[retired711]

SMaybe we'll get lucky and some of the O-line recruits in the 2022 class can step up right away and help RU win some battles in the trenches next year.

I've always been told that an OL has to play together for some time in order to jell. If that's true, we're not going to have improvement right away no matter how good the recruits are.

 

[colbert17]

Please no more grad transfer QBs.

 

[Plum Street]

Please no more grad transfer QBs.

It’s funny. Some places get good ones . Look at Kentucky . It’s just we recruit and get the ones that aren’t good.

 

[ScarletDave]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

 

[Plum Street]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

Is that true ?

 

[rutgersguy1]

Please no more grad transfer QBs.

It's not a guarantee but I would look at the portal for sure. It's another potential resource why wouldn't we. Was kind of surprised we didn't tap it last year going into this season. You could see the limitations at qb last year. Having more potential options isn't a bad thing. Will Levis has been mentioned and also SMU has had Shane Buechele from Texas and Tanner Mordecai from OU come it at qb over the last few years and they've done well for Dykes. Brewer didn't work out at Utah from Baylor but like a potential resource not a guaranteed one. You still have to identify potential contributors well just like high school recruiting.

On a high level, qbs that throw the ball well on the move (moving pocket, rollouts etc..) and qbs who make quick decisions and get the ball out quick to its destination are needed. Whichever qb does that best be it on the roster or transfer imo is the best path towards a better offense than what we've seen. If the OL isn't good you need to compensate somehow and whoever exhibits those tributes best can help.

 

[mdk01]

I've always been told that an OL has to play together for some time in order to jell. If that's true, we're not going to have improvement right away no matter how good the recruits are.

That's true as far as jelling. But it can be improved on the way to that by having better personnel. Then they can jell

 

[colbert17]

the OL isn't good

Anyone who is any good and has options will be taking this into account.

 

[GSGS]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

Didn't Snyder redshirt already in 2019? He played in only 2 games that year, and the new redshirt rule (4 games or less automatically qualifies) went into effect in 2018.

 

[rutgersal]

It's not a guarantee but I would look at the portal for sure. It's another potential resource why wouldn't we. Was kind of surprised we didn't tap it last year going into this season. You could see the limitations at qb last year. Having more potential options isn't a bad thing. Will Levis has been mentioned and also SMU has had Shane Buechele from Texas and Tanner Mordecai from OU come it at qb over the last few years and they've done well for Dykes. Brewer didn't work out at Utah from Baylor but like a potential resource not a guaranteed one. You still have to identify potential contributors well just like high school recruiting.

On a high level, qbs that throw the ball well on the move (moving pocket, rollouts etc..) and qbs who make quick decisions and get the ball out quick to its destination are needed. Whichever qb does that best be it on the roster or transfer imo is the best path towards a better offense than what we've seen. If the OL isn't good you need to compensate somehow and whoever exhibits those tributes best can help.

Look at the transfer QBs we’ve landed the past five years and that will continue to be the caliber of transfer we will land. Need to build the OL first.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

I wonder what percentage of sports fans under 40 have ever even heard of the Brooklyn Dodgers? Maybe 15 percent ?

 

[retired711]

I wonder what percentage of sports fans under 40 have ever even heard of the Brooklyn Dodgers? Maybe 15 percent ?

wrong thread?

 

[Kbee3]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

IMO Snyder and Simon will both be headed elsewhere soon enough.
Doesn't that almost always happen when you get passed on the depth chart by a younger guy ?

 

[rutgersguy1]

Look at the transfer QBs we’ve landed the past five years and that will continue to be the caliber of transfer we will land. Need to build the OL first.

Don't agree with that completely. Think that was more misidentification then example of caliber of player we're capable of getting. If other schools of our status or lower can get capable passers on the roster I don't see why we can't. There are probably even good decently mobile passers at the lower levels that could be found. When I say mobile I don't mean scamper 10, 20, 30 yds but just enough to be effective throwing while moving around and enough legs to get your 3-5 yds here and there.

Our OL has issues I agree but some of it can be alleviated to a degree imo. Like I said, above a quick decision maker who can get the ball out fast to the target can help, rolling out or moving the pocket and having a qb who can throw on the move can help. You know in some plays you don't even realize the OL breakdown because the ball is out so quick. It doesn't mean all issues are solved but whoever can do those kind of things best can alleviate some OL problems and make things look at least slightly better than they have.

Initially there was talk about using the whole field sideline TO sideline. We're more sideline AND sideline and not much in the middle. Why? Everyone here has noticed it. Commentators have mentioned opposing coaches see that we do it an inordinate amount. Not that I know anything but I've thought, and I see others here echo the same opinion, it's because of TO risk. Why is it extra risky? Well if the ball is delivered slow, decisions made late or the ball floats well then yea it is more risky than your typical throw over the middle. For the future is there away to get some of that fixed be it on the roster or from outside? You know some here knock Gleeson for not tailoring the system to his talent on the roster but you know the not throwing it over the middle much might actually be that in some respect.

 

[REDRICH65]

Who sez Wimsett will stay? Looks like a mistake to leave Kentucky

 

[rutgersguy1]

Who sez Wimsett will stay? Looks like a mistake to leave Kentucky

I know a lot of people here are looking forward to the prospect of him playing but you know he's an unknown and there's no way to know how good or bad he or any prospect will be for sure when they step up from HS and that goes for any transfer for that matter. That's why I say the more options the better. Nothing should be promised. You have chance but you have to work hard and compete and see who gets it. MSU said the same to all the transfers they took.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Greg needs to find about 3 RJ Dills in the portal.

 

[Boomer2828]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

Fake news, Snyder redshirted his first season.

 

[RUJMM78]

Without a much better OLine, QB won't matter. That said, I'd expect the starter next year to be either Wimsatt or a grad transfer.

Vedral will be back for another season with the most experience at quarterback.Hopefully,Schiano will decide its time for a change but with a mediocre offensive line the status quo might be the decision.

 

[MADHAT1]

My opinion;
The OL missing Sutton and Pailant ( i believe he didn't play) along with a not 100% O’Neal made for pitiable OLine play against the Wildcats and Noah really doesn’t have the QB skills that make the opposition key on RU’s passing game.
So Northwestern went after the run and made RU;s passing game not a factor , because of poor OLine play and Rutgers not having the type of QB talent on roster that could make the O move the chains easily even with a decent OL protecting him .
I think the OL isn't as terrible as it looks now, just doesn't have the overall talent that can overcome starters being injured or replace banged up linemen with backups.

Next year the depth situation might improve a bit and Gavin will posses the type of talent needed for RU to have a feared passing attack, if the OL does its job and the running game is strong enough so Rutgers doesn't have to rely on the inexperience Wimsatt to save the day, even if he had the 2021 season to learn the O as an early enrollee

As for Synder , I wouldn't be surprised if he hit the portal in a quest for more playing time.
I'd rather Cole and Evan fight for the starter's role next year giving Gavin another year to develop,
but this year being with team will help him better in 2022 than when Sitkowski was thrown to the wolves his freshman season because he was the best of a bad bunch

Northwestern loss shown that RU has a ways to go to be competitive and Schiano isn't a miricle worker that can overcome injuries, missing players, at key positions because the roster isn't one full of talented back-ups.

 

[Knight Shift]

My opinion;
The OL missing Sutton and Pailant ( i believe he didn't play) along with a not 100% O’Neal made for pitiable OLine play against the Wildcats and Noah really doesn’t have the QB skills that make the opposition key on RU’s passing game.
So Northwestern went after the run and made RU;s passing game not a factor , because of poor OLine play and Rutgers not having the type of QB talent on roster that could make the O move the chains easily even with a decent OL protecting him .
I think the OL isn't as terrible as it looks now, just doesn't have the overall talent that can overcome starters being injured or replace banged up linemen with backups.

Next year the depth situation might improve a bit and Gavin will posses the type of talent needed for RU to have a feared passing attack, if the OL does its job and the running game is strong enough so Rutgers doesn't have to rely on the inexperience Wimsatt to save the day, even if he had the 2021 season to learn the O as an early enrollee

As for Synder , I wouldn't be surprised if he hit the portal in a quest for more playing time.
I'd rather Cole and Evan fight for the starter's role next year giving Gavin another year to develop,
but this year being with team will help him better in 2022 than when Sitkowski was thrown to the wolves his freshman season because he was the best of a bad bunch

Northwestern loss shown that RU has a ways to go to be competitive and Schiano isn't a miricle worker that can overcome injuries, missing players, at key positions because the roster isn't one full of talented back-ups.

Paillant got quite a few snaps yesterday.

 

[zebnatto]

Bill or George anything but Noah

I hate that name!

 

[MADHAT1]

Paillant got quite a few snaps yesterday.

thanks
I've been known to be wrong on occasion.
Told being wrong far more times then the ones I admit 😁

 

[PaKnight]

It’s funny. Some places get good ones . Look at Kentucky . It’s just we recruit and get the ones that aren’t good.

It helped us beat Kentucky for the best QB in the state.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Kentucky is a basketball school in a state with two Division 1-A programs and very little football talent. They are having a very good season, but rarely have since Bear Bryant left. In January who knows if their coach will even be there.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Bill or George anything but Noah

Johnny Cash??? From Boy Name Sue?

 

[graystork]

I wonder what percentage of sports fans under 40 have ever even heard of the Brooklyn Dodgers? Maybe 15 percent ?

I love the ones that think a navy blue and orange NY cap is just an alternate version of the Mets cap.

 

[zappaa]

I love the ones that think a navy blue and orange NY cap is just an alternate version of the Mets cap.

Depends on the NY on the front Stork

 

[rufeelinit]

thanks
I've been known to be wrong on occasion.
Told being wrong far more times then the ones I admit 😁

I don't think O'Neil played at all. He was dressed but only would play in case of an emergency. The line depth was not good to begin with and it is now being exposed as they can't seem to replace Sutton and O'Neil. Hard to count on incoming HS recruits to fix the issue next year.

While I think Vedral is very limited and makes some WTF throws at times, he does stand in there and take the punishment and will not shy away from contact when he is scrambling for yards. We need an upgrade for sure, but some of the sacks seem to be coverage sacks as well. Not sure how well he does going through his progressions but do we know how good our receivers are at getting separation downfield? A lot times we seem to throw to long balls to receivers who are not open. Very hard to tell when watching on TV

 

[MADHAT1]

wrong thread?

was a reply to:
HeavenUniv. said:


I wonder what percentage of sports fans under 40 have ever even heard of the Brooklyn Dodgers? Maybe 15 percent ?
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My response to wrong thread question is: I brought up the Brooklyn Dodgers ( nicknamed Bums at times) in my origianl post that started this thread and Heavan just commented that most posting here probably are to young top remember the Dodgers being in Broklyn and obviously not knowing about their " Wait Til Next Year" saying I posted about Rutgers' QB situation