RU QB 2022

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

All your cutsie pie barbs can be saved and applied to each succeeding QB, cause it don't mean shit without a competent OL.

The OL says even when they provide the protection they need a competent QB to deliver the ball on time.

 

[Kbee3]

The OL says even when they provide the protection they need a competent QB to deliver the ball on time.

When exactly does THAT happen ? I must have missed this "protection" you speak of.
I don't know how any of them look Vedral or Pacheco in the eye with their consistent failures at blocking.
Let's hope the group of O-line prospects that are in the 2022 class stay committed and can get into the lineup sooner rather than later.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Look at the transfer QBs we’ve landed the past five years and that will continue to be the caliber of transfer we will land. Need to build the OL first.

I really wonder if Schiano even considered Mathis from Temple. He would have been great and nobody would have brought this up if he came. Was Vedral seriously the reason why Schiano did not even look? For the right guy, Schiano should take a look. (I don't think that Wimsatt will be physically ready next year and the schedule looks nasty.)

 

[beaced]

That’s true.
Worst O line in P-5?
I think so

It has always been and al;ways will be about the B1G Uglies.

 

[RUChoppin]

When exactly does THAT happen ? I must have missed this "protection" you speak of.
I don't know how any of them look Vedral or Pacheco in the eye with their consistent failures at blocking.
Let's hope the group of O-line prospects that are in the 2022 class stay committed and can get into the lineup sooner rather than later.

There are plays that develop, and the blocking works, and a ball is put in the air deep.... and more often than not that ball isn't where it needs to be. Underthrow on Melton ended up with him getting hurt coming back for it, overthrow on Cruickshank ended up with him getting hurt diving for it... other over/under throws to Melton in this game, and to other receivers in prior games.

There have been a handful of likely touchdowns when the WR beat their man deep, and the ball just didn't arrive where it needed to.

That doesn't give the OL a pass, though - or Pacheco, either, who has whiffed on his fair share of blocks in protection. The OL is not setting Vedral up for success, which means when he does get a chance to get a good ball off there is no margin for error on the throw.

We need better offensive sets to get the ball out faster with quick hitters, rather than plays that take longer to develop. The long East/West passes to WR triplets have also been taking too long with the ball in the air, because we're not getting it out fast enough and with enough zip.

 

[retired711]

was a reply to:
HeavenUniv. said:


I wonder what percentage of sports fans under 40 have ever even heard of the Brooklyn Dodgers? Maybe 15 percent ?
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My response to wrong thread question is: I brought up the Brooklyn Dodgers ( nicknamed Bums at times) in my origianl post that started this thread and Heavan just commented that most posting here probably are to young top remember the Dodgers being in Broklyn and obviously not knowing about their " Wait Til Next Year" saying I posted about Rutgers' QB situation

Ok, thanks!

 

[realhoops2]

There are plays that develop, and the blocking works, and a ball is put in the air deep.... and more often than not that ball isn't where it needs to be. Underthrow on Melton ended up with him getting hurt coming back for it, overthrow on Cruickshank ended up with him getting hurt diving for it... other over/under throws to Melton in this game, and to other receivers in prior games.

There have been a handful of likely touchdowns when the WR beat their man deep, and the ball just didn't arrive where it needed to.

That doesn't give the OL a pass, though - or Pacheco, either, who has whiffed on his fair share of blocks in protection. The OL is not setting Vedral up for success, which means when he does get a chance to get a good ball off there is no margin for error on the throw.

We need better offensive sets to get the ball out faster with quick hitters, rather than plays that take longer to develop. The long East/West passes to WR triplets have also been taking too long with the ball in the air, because we're not getting it out fast enough and with enough zip.

The narrative that Vedral never has time or the recievers never get separation is BS. We know the Oline needs significant improvement but there are opportunities in every game to make some plays in the passing game and all too often he doesn't come through

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

When exactly does THAT happen ? I must have missed this "protection" you speak of.

yeah.. you missed it.

it is interesting how you and others defend the QB at the expense of, what is it, 5-9 other players. imo, the QB is not helping anyone.. not the RB that he gives the ball to making the wrong read on the RPO (if he is reading the D at all).. not the WRs he delivers late and short and behind to.. not the OL who he takes too long to make a decision.

(added this: Here's the thing.. we have all seen Vedral deliver on time and on target. He CAN do it. He just is NOT doing it.)

 

[Kbee3]

yeah.. you missed it.

it is interesting how you and others defend the QB at the expense of, what is it, 5-9 other players. imo, the QB is not helping anyone.. not the RB that he gives the ball to making the wrong read on the RPO (if he is reading the D at all).. not the WRs he delivers late and short and behind to.. not the OL who he takes too long to make a decision.

You really need to record some of the games and focus on the blocking of the O-line. Try not to laugh if you do.
I recognize Vedral's limitations. But I'm not naive enough to think that there's a better option at his position at this time.

 

[RU#1fan]

I really wonder if Schiano even considered Mathis from Temple. He would have been great and nobody would have brought this up if he came. Was Vedral seriously the reason why Schiano did not even look? For the right guy, Schiano should take a look. (I don't think that Wimsatt will be physically ready next year and the schedule looks nasty.)

If he didn’t look we got bigger problems than we thought.

 

[graystork]

Depends on the NY on the front Stork

Ever seen a Yankee cap with an orange NY Zap?

 

[rutger80]

I love the ones that think a navy blue and orange NY cap is just an alternate version of the Mets cap.

If you're referring to the Giants, they wore black caps with the orange NY.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

You really need to record some of the games and focus on the blocking of the O-line. Try not to laugh if you do.
I recognize Vedral's limitations. But I'm not naive enough to think that there's a better option at his position at this time.

even perfect blocking won't make a QB's arm stronger or have him decide to throw faster.

you guys all point out poor OL play for what is not-very-good QB play. Vs Temple.. no sacks, and he threw for about 150 yards and then did the same sacked 4 times vs Syracuse. Yes.. the OL needs help but QB is not blameless. Let us try another QB and see what happens.

 

[Knight Shift]

I really wonder if Schiano even considered Mathis from Temple. He would have been great and nobody would have brought this up if he came. Was Vedral seriously the reason why Schiano did not even look? For the right guy, Schiano should take a look. (I don't think that Wimsatt will be physically ready next year and the schedule looks nasty.)

A non-RU fan (Cal fan) and I were talking about this. Maybe the more sought after and savvy QBs passed on RU because they knew about the OL situation, which was/is no secret. Wonder if Charlie Brewer from Baylor got a serious look. Fran Brown's time at Baylor overlapped with Brewer. Brewer bailed on Utah after he lost the starting QB job. He has great stats, but also a concussion history, and if watched this year's film, he might not be interested.

 

[Kbee3]

Let us try another QB and see what happens.

I suggest we try that first with some of the offensive linemen.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Rutgers is Talking with this 2023 QB—

2023 QB JJ Kohl talks Missouri offer, latest in recruitment

JJ Kohl has four power-five offers, and multiple teams showing interest.

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[HeavenUniv.]

JJ Kohl on Hudl

Watch JJ Kohl's videos and highlights on Hudl. More info: Ankeny Centennial High School - Football - Varsity / QB / Class of 2023 / Ankeny, IA

www.hudl.com

 

[LotusAggressor]

Imo Snyder should start next year. Gavin should get 2-3 series every game, in competitive game situations.
If he proves himself worthy, start him mid season. Worst case, he gets valuable reps for 23 when he's the full time starter.
The only issue is I think Snyder transfers.

The perfect plan for a 2-10 season in 2022 for RU, and an eventual path (through the transfer portal) to tearing up college football in a top 10 program for Wimsatt.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I really wonder if Schiano even considered Mathis from Temple. He would have been great and nobody would have brought this up if he came. Was Vedral seriously the reason why Schiano did not even look? For the right guy, Schiano should take a look. (I don't think that Wimsatt will be physically ready next year and the schedule looks nasty.)

If Mathis came here, he'd be the one dodging unblocked defenders and people on this board would be calling for him to benched.

 

[Knight Shift]

If Mathis came here, he'd be the one dodging unblocked defenders and people on this board would be calling for him to benched.

A few posters here fawn over Mathis.
Against a 2-5 USF, he was 12/21 for 183 yards 1 TD and 2 INTs
Previous game, against Cincy, he was 16/27 for 120 yards, 0 TDs/1 INT

He had a good game against Memphis.
Do these posters remember last year, when Vedral went 28/43 for 381 yards and 3 TDs against Michigan?

 

[beaced]

There are plays that develop, and the blocking works, and a ball is put in the air deep.... and more often than not that ball isn't where it needs to be. Underthrow on Melton ended up with him getting hurt coming back for it, overthrow on Cruickshank ended up with him getting hurt diving for it... other over/under throws to Melton in this game, and to other receivers in prior games.

There have been a handful of likely touchdowns when the WR beat their man deep, and the ball just didn't arrive where it needed to.

That doesn't give the OL a pass, though - or Pacheco, either, who has whiffed on his fair share of blocks in protection. The OL is not setting Vedral up for success, which means when he does get a chance to get a good ball off there is no margin for error on the throw.

We need better offensive sets to get the ball out faster with quick hitters, rather than plays that take longer to develop. The long East/West passes to WR triplets have also been taking too long with the ball in the air, because we're not getting it out fast enough and with enough zip.

In effect you are saying ”scheme to the strengths of the O line"

 

[RU#1fan]

A few posters here fawn over Mathis.
Against a 2-5 USF, he was 12/21 for 183 yards 1 TD and 2 INTs
Previous game, against Cincy, he was 16/27 for 120 yards, 0 TDs/1 INT

He had a good game against Memphis.
Do these posters remember last year, when Vedral went 28/43 for 381 yards and 3 TDs against Michigan?

One good game in 2 years. Wonderful

 

[LotusAggressor]

In effect you are saying ”scheme to the strengths of the O line"

In the last 3 games, we're seeing exactly what that looks like. Trying to schematically compensate for not being able to block people is not pretty. Or effective.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

If Mathis came here, he'd be the one dodging unblocked defenders and people on this board would be calling for him to benched.

Oh please... I have been defending Vedral as the starter all year, but I do understand why posters have been bringing the back up QB argument. He may be the best QB on this team because he has a high football IQ and really understands the offense but the QB position is still a big weakness on this team. (However OL is the biggest weakness.)

 

[Knight Shift]

One good game in 2 years. Wonderful

It's actually in a little more than one season. And Michigan was a great game, and by your standards that you impose on QB's from other teams, Vedral has a had a few good games too with horrific protection and not a lot of time to throw.

 

[rubaseball78]

Why did Simon come in today instead of Snyder? Because Snyder told coach he’s redshirting and transferring. Can’t blame him, he’s seen enough

Snyder already used his redshirt 2 years ago. Fake news.

 

[RUChoppin]

In the last 3 games, we're seeing exactly what that looks like. Trying to schematically compensate for not being able to block people is not pretty. Or effective.

Granted there were parts later in those games I couldn't continue watching, but I don't really remember any quick hit slants across the middle in any of the last three games. Where are the short screen passes to TEs or RBs behind rushing lineman?

Defenses seem to be teeing up to rush Vedral, and we haven't seemed to be able to take advantage of that.

And it looks like defenses have figured out our film on passing out to the sideline to a WR with blockers.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Granted there were parts later in those games I couldn't continue watching, but I don't really remember any quick hit slants across the middle in any of the last three games. Where are the short screen passes to TEs or RBs behind rushing lineman?

Defenses seem to be teeing up to rush Vedral, and we haven't seemed to be able to take advantage of that.

And it looks like defenses have figured out our film on passing out to the sideline to a WR with blockers.

The problem is that opponents don't have to blitz to get pressure because of the bad OL play. They can control the LOS with their down linemen, leaving 7 or 8 defenders to jump slants and blow up screens.

 

[REDRICH65]

Noah should have played for Flood

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The problem is that opponents don't have to blitz to get pressure because of the bad OL play. They can control the LOS with their down linemen, leaving 7 or 8 defenders to jump slants and blow up screens.

They CAN.. but they don't have to and they do not bother to... not unless it is a 3rd and long (which is not rare).. even then they prefer the blitz.

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

There is nothing new here. We have never had QB depth and even with Wimsatt at the helm we will have no backups with the appropriate pedigree. Other than Wimsatt, in total, among all of our QBs on the team there is only one P5 offer (Pitt to E. Simon) . Can't win like that. You need to recruit at least two quality QBs in each class (ie, two with multiple P5 offers) or you need to be able to develop underrecruited QBs. We don't do that well.