Rutgers Facility Architecture...
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Can they at least put down sod or grow grass in the yellow lot? Seems like a missed opportunity if they don't. We do have an agricultural college right?
Not only that, but apparently a well regarded Turf Management program to boot.
That said, I doubt the grassed tailgating lots are given much, if any, attention.
The red shale is pretty hard (yet brittle) a few layers down. I think a layer of gravel will be fine for a few years.. then dumps a couple more layers. From this rendering.. you can see the Athletes Glenn area was a natural feature. @Source might be able to easily tell us what Busch was before Rutgers acquired it.. dairy farm? But I'd imagine Athletes Glenn marked a runoff area that went through the middle of the stadium and eventually to the Raritan River.
Hmmm.. I thought the above might have to do with the whole Busch campus.. but it seems to be mainly about the property way up hoes lane.. the Waksman area... the golf course was already there... stadium too I'd imagine.
I knew the Rodkin Center reminded me of somehting.. the ugliest building on Voorhees Mall.. Graduate School of Education..
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Well then yes, it's all in the substrate. Like I tell my customers your concrete(or whatever) is only as good as what's done to prepare the site underneath. But I must say that's quite the archeological dig you've got going in your post.
Sometimes the best methods are the one's which stand the test of time. Everyone wants these new fangled ideas and new cheap ways of doing things. But that method I described was taught to me as an apprentice. I'm sure he learned it from his apprenticeship and so on and so on till some guy back in the time of the Roman Empire said, "hey let's try this".Yes, it's not like anyone ever solved the problem before, certainly not here at alma mater.
When I see something like that Roman road plan.. I think of all the slave (and non-slave) labor that turned big rocks into little rocks for mile after mile after mile.
I kinda like the business building.. the support beams are a little odd.. but their purpose is clear. As for the engineering building.. at least it represents the ability of engineering to conquer form... which is what I see in all those ugly Frank Gehry and Gehry-wannabe buildings. Some of which form beautiful shapes from some angles.. but many are just butt-ugly shapes. But they all scream out the power of engineering.
The RU Business School building is the definition of fad design. Just total garbage. Stark, sterile, lifeless, and tons of wasted space. Totally out of place on the campus.
Designs like the Honors College are the way to go - classic and timeless.
Thanks for posting, this is a MUCH better design.Here's the original design from 2013 or 2014:
J&J owns the Skillman site and another 120 acres across the street (Grandview Road). Over the past few years, they have been consolidating other operations to this location (J&J consumer operations).
Here's what we need to do with the RAC... take off the roof.. remove the columns... build an exterior shell supporting a cantilever or arched roof over the whole thing... and remodel the inside as needed.. more bathrooms, escalators/elevators to the the top.. wrap-around seating... pathways/tunnels to practice facility and the medical facilities there. Attached parking deck for the big donors behind the RAC... with or without flow-thru traffic to the other paid lots.
Idaho vandals have an externally supported arched roof.. or will.. smaller building.. but idea should work.
Just for reference.. a 5000 space deck would cost well over $100M alone... probably $24,000+ per space here in Jersey ($120M at $24K per). Suppose you could fill it, 5000 a game for 17 home games a season.. and you'd want to pay it off in 10 years.. that's 850,000 cars over 10 seasons.. you'd need to charge $141 per game to park.. LOL. Lets suppose you could squeeze out 40 years of life out of the deck. Just to pay off the principal you'd need to charge $35 per space per game.
No.. I do not see a deck in R future. Not unless it can be justified as part of another project.
I just suddenly realized that hotels are not ripping anyone off with their parking fees.
Idaho vandals have an externally supported arched roof.. or will.. smaller building.. but idea should work.
Just for reference.. a 5000 space deck would cost well over $100M alone... probably $24,000+ per space here in Jersey ($120M at $24K per). Suppose you could fill it, 5000 a game for 17 home games a season.. and you'd want to pay it off in 10 years.. that's 850,000 cars over 10 seasons.. you'd need to charge $141 per game to park.. LOL. Lets suppose you could squeeze out 40 years of life out of the deck. Just to pay off the principal you'd need to charge $35 per space per game.
No.. I do not see a deck in R future. Not unless it can be justified as part of another project.
I just suddenly realized that hotels are not ripping anyone off with their parking fees.
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When I was a student working in the Facilities department, there were still two farms in what was then the University Heights campus. The land belonged to RU, but I guess the former owners had life rights or something similar. One was the MacDonald farm (not joking) and it was accessed off Metlars Kane. Forget the other one.The red shale is pretty hard (yet brittle) a few layers down. I think a layer of gravel will be fine for a few years.. then dumps a couple more layers. From this rendering.. you can see the Athletes Glenn area was a natural feature. @Source might be able to easily tell us what Busch was before Rutgers acquired it.. dairy farm? But I'd imagine Athletes Glenn marked a runoff area that went through the middle of the stadium and eventually to the Raritan River.
Hmmm.. I thought the above might have to do with the whole Busch campus.. but it seems to be mainly about the property way up hoes lane.. the Waksman area... the golf course was already there... stadium too I'd imagine.
I knew the Rodkin Center reminded me of somehting.. the ugliest building on Voorhees Mall.. Graduate School of Education..
Sorry circa 1968 (relatively small farms)
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You're welcome. Agreed.
We should dust off those old 2011 or 2012 Pernetti plans and build a new concourse around it with the rotunda, and close off the RAC seating corners:Here's what we need to do with the RAC... take off the roof.. remove the columns... build an exterior shell supporting a cantilever or arched roof over the whole thing... and remodel the inside as needed.. more bathrooms, escalators/elevators to the the top.. wrap-around seating... pathways/tunnels to practice facility and the medical facilities there. Attached parking deck for the big donors behind the RAC... with or without flow-thru traffic to the other paid lots.
Idaho vandals have an externally supported arched roof.. or will.. smaller building.. but idea should work.
Just for reference.. a 5000 space deck would cost well over $100M alone... probably $24,000+ per space here in Jersey ($120M at $24K per). Suppose you could fill it, 5000 a game for 17 home games a season.. and you'd want to pay it off in 10 years.. that's 850,000 cars over 10 seasons.. you'd need to charge $141 per game to park.. LOL. Lets suppose you could squeeze out 40 years of life out of the deck. Just to pay off the principal you'd need to charge $35 per space per game.
No.. I do not see a deck in R future. Not unless it can be justified as part of another project.
I just suddenly realized that hotels are not ripping anyone off with their parking fees.
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You're welcome. Agreed.
We should dust off those old 2011 or 2012 Pernetti plans and build a new concourse around it with the rotunda, and close off the RAC seating corners:
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Almost everyone I know loves the B-school building. That makes you wrong. We agree on DLR vs. SH though...
while that's nice.. it does not solve the main seating issue.. those 4 columns. Find a way to remove those and you can go to wrap-around seating in 2 tiers. and I think the solution to that will give you the improved expanded concourse also. I think spending money for expanded concourse that doesn't add GOOD seats, if any, is a waste
I recall seeing an old photo of a similar looking mill building at the location and assumed the current building was a major renovation of that. But my assumption could be off, maybe it was a tear down?
I said earlier in the thread I’m okay with the other side of the river being used for designs and looks like that. Lots of schools do this.
But for College Ave. there should be some sort of “rules commission” like they have for certain areas.
I can say that as a tour guide, the business building always got people's attention heading onto Livingston which was exactly its purpose as a "Gateway" building. Lots of appreciation. Do I think we'd be better off with a slightly larger space? Probably. Michigan's new building is a good example. But Livingston is underbuilt anyway.
The engineering building is very functional, and they've used the shape well.
Not totally sure myself. In either case, I think the classic-looking architectural style, while faux, was still a better decision than a more modern or contemporary design from the standpoint of location context, across the street from Rutgers' campus.
I actually worked for him many moons ago, not sure if that's how I'd describe him, lol,
Right.
Observations, thoughts and constructive criticism are not the same as whining.
Not sure you can without a total redesign. Those four columns are the main and only support for the entire steel roof trusses. At that point you might as well tear the whole thing down and start fresh.
The Penn State Building is the worst of the bunch.A thread like this is worthless without pictures.
Not sure what the complaint is:
RWJ Barnabas Building:
Rodkin Center:
New Chemistry/Biology Building:
New Engineering Building (not a fan, but opinions on these things vary):
Maybe it would be useful to compare other B1G school new buildings (or maybe not):
Penn State:
University of Maryland new Computer Science Building
I'd say the MD building is the best.
I like all of ours.
Haven't seen the new engineering building up close yet. Hopefully we will have some reasons to get to campus soon!
Well, he seemed like a nice guy, which is not unusual at an awards dinner, lol - although one of the profs I know well knows him well and said the same, but that's still not the same as a perspective of someone who worked for him, so I'll defer to you on that. Hard driving, highly successful people often come off like that: very friendly and nice to outsiders, but very tough on their people.
i think this is better indication of purple lot.
if you look at page 19 of the study it overlays an aerial map for these buildings.@Sir ScarletKnight and @Leonard23 help me out with my orientation here...
I'm a little lost with regard to the Purple Lot.
appears northern most section of purple lot would be these buildings.
https://soe.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/imce/Rutgers-PrecinctStudy-FinalReport.pdf
It's a much bigger building than it looks like in many of the pictures; they did a good job maximizing the plot of land without making it out of place\monolithic.
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Sod would be too fragile for the vehicle traffic.
But I would like to see it overseeded and watered (daily drive through with a water truck) each spring and summer. It could really use it but RU would rather wait until its mud and then dump tons of 3/4 aggregate on it. Shame.
Here's what we can do (starting next year):
Every tailgating group in the grass lots should bring 1 bag of grass seed to each game and toss it around your tailgating area. At least for the early games.
This would be easy to do while enjoying a cold beverage.
While not perfect, this would effectively overseed the lots and with a little luck in the form of rainfall we could make the fields a much improved tailgating area over time.
edit - those that already bring hay/straw to place on the mud should spread the seed brfore placing the hay on top.
