He learned the hard way !
Plus, he knows what this season means
Rutgers Hosting Long Beach State Transfer Jadon Jones
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Plus, he knows what this season means
Gavin could play 2 or 3. If Gavin ends up being a 38-40% 3 pt shooting guy and his defense improves a lot there is a fit everywhere for someone with his length and offensive skills.
Now I am very unsure the above will happen.
You can have three of Gavin, Derkack, Jones, Acuff for one year, for next year. Which 3 do you choose?
I have absolutely no idea.......
Given
JWill 28 JaMike 12
Harper 32 Dercack 8
Jones 24 Dercack 16
Ace 22 Martini 18
Ogobole 16 Sommerville 16 Ace 8
I might roll the dice for Gavin.
If we didn't have so many guys in the fold I definitely wouldn't take Gavin.
The only 2 players to me that are real are jWill and JaMike. All others are fictional characters to me until November. This is all guessing to me.
One thing I am certain of.....if we land JadOn Jones I would trade any of the pieces for Cliff. Wouldn't think twice.
There’s a 0% chance it’s an equal rotation of 20 min a piece.
Harper and ace are probably 28-30 minute guys per game and you go from there.
jmike is prolly getting 8-10 min per game
Martini and extra shooter probably 15 mpg
Acuff jwill dercack 20-22 mpg
Could always fluctuate game to game but I don’t think it’s as hard to distribute minutes as ppl think
The important thing is you’ve brought in two guys who previously started in martini and dercack that have openly embraced taking a team role to win
was sort of being facetious....
going on your math...if we assume Ace isn't playing the 5 (I am not ready to make that assumption) AND Harper and Ace are locked in to 30 minutes each you have 100 minutes for all the rest.
That also means Dortch and Grant are out of the rotation which I guess in 2024 world it is OK.
going on your math...if we assume Ace isn't playing the 5 (I am not ready to make that assumption) AND Harper and Ace are locked in to 30 minutes each you have 100 minutes for all the rest.
That also means Dortch and Grant are out of the rotation which I guess in 2024 world it is OK.
Crazy thought but on top 20 teams the freshmen ranked in the ball park of those guys typically play sparingly or red shirt
Maybe jmike doesn’t play and red shirts who knows instead
This is all in theory...If we are being realistic....we are talking about 8 guys i think. What are the odds all 8 will be healthy for a given game in January? 40%? maybe even lower
If all these guys are hits, we won't be thinking the season is done if anyone goes dowmn.
I hadn't thought of that but I wonder if that's a possibility. I guess if the team has amazingly good health, you could make the argument that he doesn't need to play. But in this day and age with the portal, I'm not sure saving a guy's eligibility makes any sense. May as well use him while you know you've got him.
I don't get it. we'll see a three-guard squad at times, plus Ace and a center TBD. But with this guy, Derkack and Acuff...seeming to fill the same roles...and does this mean Martini, Dortch and Grant are our 4s ?
Seems like not enough minutes for Acuff, Derkack, Jones and Davis to share.
With this roster config, Gavin would be a stretch 4 next year.
I think JaMichael will be the one on the bench never taking off his warm up suit.
can we use one of the last spots and bring back Reiber....NIL deal of a weekly free trip to Stuff Yer Face and duke him $5,000 to advertise a Toto concert at College Avenue Gym
As I mentioned before I think it’s at least remotely possibly Davis takes a red shirt to develop to be a starter next year or took a larger role as an upperclassmen possibly alongside Dercack and the returning guys from this freshmen class
This is a good problem to have in my opinion. Everyone’s worried about who’s going to get minutes … when have we had a conversation about Rutgers basketball and worrying who’s going to get enough PT?
Martini and Dercack imo seem 100% invested in winning and filling whatever role that equals.
Based on roster construction it’s looking more to me like you’re going to see a lot of 4 out offense and speed and probably a combo of ace/martini at your 4 spot for those 40 minutes
Martini probably gets 15 min a game at the 4 and ace will get his 30 minutes at some combo of the 3-4
I think it’s probably certain dortch is an end of bench redshirt and at least possible either jmike or grant do the same
you are forgetting 2 things.....1. who our coach is and what JaMike brings to the table 2. who he is friends with
#1 far more important than #2
UConn didn’t have a defined 4 and it seemed to work out pretty well for them
Purdue platooned Gilles and Kaufman renn and Gilles could easily be viewed as a 3 on a lot of rosters
Alabama played a 4 guard lineup
Illinois center was Hawkins and then a bunch of guys under 6-8
You don’t need two giants in college basketball. If 1-4 are willing rebounders and big for guards which our guys we are bringing in ARE tall for guards then you can get by
I think we have to trust pikes vision because he has a reason these are the guys he’s bringing in
UConn had great shooters to compensate, Purdue had an unstoppable 5 who could also pass to open shooters and Alabama had superior athleticism and length. We won't have any of that. You can't reasonably compare us to Final Four teams. I will buy your Illinois analogy though. Or typical Iowa.
I just think we've got too many of the same, even more so if Jones commits.
Is this team not going to have superior athleticism and length?
Jmike wants to play with his high school teammate Bailey and then probably transfer back to a school in the Georgia area.
Could probably start a lot of games. Looks like he could play the role of a true shooting guard.
Exactly, if we add Jones, then Harper, JWill, Acuff, Derkack, and Jones are all better and above JMike in the rotation. Not saying he won’t play, but likely he gets the least amount of minutes and likely pretty limited minutes compared to the others if there is not enough to go around.
He will play, he’ll just play the least amount of all the guards. JMike is not getting more minutes than Acuff and Derkack, both are better players than JMike. If we add Jones he’s also ahead of JMike, he’ll play but he’ll be the low man on the totem pole for sure.
On paper. Acuff and Derkack being called up from AAA. I think they will be better, but dont know.
in a perfect world i envision us playing a very similar style to what illinois was doing this year which as an opposing fan i admit i enjoyed watching
i can envision harper and bailey being a more talented version of domask and shannon in terms of nba ceiling so therefore more talented
I think that's an overreach....Bailey will not be Shannon and if Harper comes in as good as Domask I would be very surprised. He has a higher ceiling but if I got to pick between those pairs accounting also for experience I'd take the Illinois duo.
Weird looking shot. Jumps forward and unusual release.
They’re better, so is Jones. Don’t forget about JMike’s shooting and that he was a part of the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight of last season. To say that JMike had his struggles from the free throw line is an understatement. These incoming transfer guards (if we also land Jones) are not coming here to be the 4th, 5th, and 6th guards in the rotation while JMike is the number 3 guard in the rotation. I like JMike and the energy he brings and he should get minutes and I am sure he’ll be in the rotation, but he’s still developing and will be down a little lower in the pecking order for minutes below these transfers. If we get Jones, my guess is we have 6 guards in the rotation (some will be multi positional to allow for either 2, 3 or even 4 on the floor in small doses), then Bailey, Martini, a transfer portal center and Somerville. Periodic usage for Dortch, Grant and Ogbole depending upon injuries, matchups, foul trouble, etc., but not likely part of a regular rotation.
I was having the same thought.
Starter as a freshman to 12th man/potentially redshirt? Ace woupd be gone to the NBA?
Wouldn't write his name in pen for 2025-2026.
I would also imagine he didn't envision spending his year as Ace's college teammate mostly on the bench.
Release seems good but the jumping forward is interesting. Dude had 18 in a win at USC in December and shot 44% from three as a freshman…so whatever he’s doing is working.
This is a weird concern after last year when everyone on the roster was a disappointment . . .
You are wrong. Almost no one in college basketball redshirts unless they are hurt.
