I am fully expecting for Rutgers to at least double their conference win total. I think instead of everyone agonizing over an irrelevant freak loss against a fringe top 25 team that has no national significance. We should be focusing our attention on the overall significant developments of the program and I think with the combination of the new practice facility, improved play, and significant contributions from underclassmen. I would think those connected to AAU/recruiting circles will see this message loud and clear and Rutgers being in the conversation for 4 star players should be the new normal.
Rutgers Recruiting Cred
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I hear you how Pike, the Assistant Coaches and this team should be changing how recruits perceive Rutgers. Although some parents and “handlers” may be slower than others to see the change.
But I want us to continue to win this year. For the players the coaches and us fans. That freakin Iowa game would have been a huge boost to these players and this program. This team is playing well. Now we need to get some notches in our belt. This team can win against better B1G teams. We can get another away win. We can win two more home games. How great if we win another two B1G tournament games. This team is improving at a rapid pace.
Let’s win some more games.
...and how can you help me get to the NBA?
And lots of unspecified things that make life better for family and hangers-on.
the good news is this year we have Zero blue chip players... to be honest nothing close to blue chip players. that all be said we are knocking on the door of a top half season in the Big 10. out of the 14 teams we have beaten every team that is 8-14 except Illinois which we took to OT at their place. took # 6 Iowa to the brink, and put up solid + efforts against #1 Michicgan and # 5 Wisconson.
We are one or two solid 4*'s away from being in the NCAA tournament. Kentucky and Duke can keep heir 1 and done blue chips. i want 4* four year players who will do whatever it takes to win.
Not that I think anybody is suggesting this but going after one-and-dones is a bad strategy for Rutgers. It works at Duke and Kentucky when there are multiple guys each year. It generally doesn't work at places where the rest of the roster is lacking.
Just this year you have Bol at Oregon, Garland at Vanderbilt, Langford at Indiana... Yeah two of them got hurt but there's not much incentive for those guys to come back from injury to play for their school when they could just rehab and prepare for the draft.
IMO in most cases it's not worth the extensive recruiting battle. If for some reason there's a 5* who grew up a Rutgers fan and is legitimately interested in coming here then of course go after him. But if not you cut your losses and get out. Pretty sure Pike realized this with Quinerly, Antoine, Lewis, etc.
Just this year you have Bol at Oregon, Garland at Vanderbilt, Langford at Indiana... Yeah two of them got hurt but there's not much incentive for those guys to come back from injury to play for their school when they could just rehab and prepare for the draft.
IMO in most cases it's not worth the extensive recruiting battle. If for some reason there's a 5* who grew up a Rutgers fan and is legitimately interested in coming here then of course go after him. But if not you cut your losses and get out. Pretty sure Pike realized this with Quinerly, Antoine, Lewis, etc.
I'm of the opinion you have to take a swing at the one and done kid in the world of today. Why wouldn't you ? You have to play against them .
If there isn't interest move on but would you not want him going for guys like Naz Reid or Antoine or Scottie Lewis ?
The sales pitch works like this------" we're improving "-----" we're close " but we need a missing piece and you're it ".
If there isn't interest move on but would you not want him going for guys like Naz Reid or Antoine or Scottie Lewis ?
The sales pitch works like this------" we're improving "-----" we're close " but we need a missing piece and you're it ".
There is a clear divide between the recruits attracted to elite schools and those interested in schools like Rutgers .Lots of schools have winning records but they lack the perception to recruit against schools that are nationally ranked year after year.
I'm a little lost on the topic.....Almost every recruit landed so far, has been on a pitch of building something....prove to others that you're perhaps underrated or as Mathis stated "Double Down on myself", picking RU over UConn, Va Tech, Xavier etc....
We have tons of doubters all over Mulcahy, he's slow on defense, needs a jumper, isn't a real PG, but he's another kid that is somewhat underrated and has something to prove....
We have Eugene, who probably would be killed by every poster here, if he was a 2019 recruit signed out of Canada, but he's taken the workman task of making himself into a starting caliber player, but took 1.5 to 2.5 full years to become a B1G caliber player.
A lot of RU being capable isn't by taking the entitled kid that thinks he's too good for RU and doesn't want to put in the work or believes something is going to be handed to him from Day 1.
I wouldn't suggest that fans believe this staff can sustain this path towards being a middle of the pack B1G bubble team....at the same time, I don't see why RU winning a few more games is suddenly street credibility, when we landed everyone we had before the results started really occuring....There are plenty of programs who have fooled themselves into thinking making the NCAA's suddenly means they get Top 60-80 kids automatically.....frankly, it's never been that way for any sustained levels, unless you are "in that market".
There is a marketplace for recruiting and in probably 80 to 90% of the cases, it comes down to fit and what antics are involved with the recruit....some schools shell out behind the scenes and a handful of schools stay away from that path of recruiting. I feel fairly confident that players believing they are better than what's being built here, probably don't belong on a RU recruiting list and are better off working/playing elsewhere.
You have to be willing to set aside your recruiting ranking and actually do what Mathis and others are doing.....dig in and get into the opponents jersey on defense and impact the game without the basketball more than shot attempts. That's not built for everybody and their hangers on..........Do I think there are kids in NYC, NJ,, PA, DMV and beyond, that have a work ethic to prove they're underrated...??? Yeah, but in today's social media frenzy, if you land the hungry kid in the 150 to 300 range and he's willing to work, you essentially create a better player than some schools we compete against that land kids thinking it's going to be easy.
I'm not going to name players or names, but I'm absolutely shocked on how "passive" or "unwilling", some Top 80-150 kids are around the country elsewhere as frosh or sophs, to dive on the floor for a loose ball.....or decide against taking that charge.
We are better off with the Kansas State model, the work ethic model of building a program and outworking opponents vs thinking a magic wand of 1 or 2 and dones, starts landing at RU. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but I would love to be wrong. If they want to work and can get to the NBA coming to RU and competing vs the B1G, vs thinking they have to go somewhere else to put in the same amount of work, come on down....!!
We have tons of doubters all over Mulcahy, he's slow on defense, needs a jumper, isn't a real PG, but he's another kid that is somewhat underrated and has something to prove....
We have Eugene, who probably would be killed by every poster here, if he was a 2019 recruit signed out of Canada, but he's taken the workman task of making himself into a starting caliber player, but took 1.5 to 2.5 full years to become a B1G caliber player.
A lot of RU being capable isn't by taking the entitled kid that thinks he's too good for RU and doesn't want to put in the work or believes something is going to be handed to him from Day 1.
I wouldn't suggest that fans believe this staff can sustain this path towards being a middle of the pack B1G bubble team....at the same time, I don't see why RU winning a few more games is suddenly street credibility, when we landed everyone we had before the results started really occuring....There are plenty of programs who have fooled themselves into thinking making the NCAA's suddenly means they get Top 60-80 kids automatically.....frankly, it's never been that way for any sustained levels, unless you are "in that market".
There is a marketplace for recruiting and in probably 80 to 90% of the cases, it comes down to fit and what antics are involved with the recruit....some schools shell out behind the scenes and a handful of schools stay away from that path of recruiting. I feel fairly confident that players believing they are better than what's being built here, probably don't belong on a RU recruiting list and are better off working/playing elsewhere.
You have to be willing to set aside your recruiting ranking and actually do what Mathis and others are doing.....dig in and get into the opponents jersey on defense and impact the game without the basketball more than shot attempts. That's not built for everybody and their hangers on..........Do I think there are kids in NYC, NJ,, PA, DMV and beyond, that have a work ethic to prove they're underrated...??? Yeah, but in today's social media frenzy, if you land the hungry kid in the 150 to 300 range and he's willing to work, you essentially create a better player than some schools we compete against that land kids thinking it's going to be easy.
I'm not going to name players or names, but I'm absolutely shocked on how "passive" or "unwilling", some Top 80-150 kids are around the country elsewhere as frosh or sophs, to dive on the floor for a loose ball.....or decide against taking that charge.
We are better off with the Kansas State model, the work ethic model of building a program and outworking opponents vs thinking a magic wand of 1 or 2 and dones, starts landing at RU. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but I would love to be wrong. If they want to work and can get to the NBA coming to RU and competing vs the B1G, vs thinking they have to go somewhere else to put in the same amount of work, come on down....!!
For home state/area guys.. your friends and family can see you for your 1 and done.. danger there is that a program like SHU can make similar claims. You can add in state pride.. the state university of NJ.. that the state won't forget you after your playing days are over. Plenty of guys come back home and want to open businesses, get jobs and so on.. the good will you generate playing for your home state U will mean something.. especially now when we are building something.. your contributions would mean a lot.
This is sales.. you find a way that you have the solution to their problem.. that problem will change from recruit to recruit.
You want to go to a school good academic rep and great tutoring to help you? We're it.
You want to go to a party school where you get along with the student body.. we're it.
You want a coach who can teach you.. we're it.
You find what interests them and tell them why RUTGERS fits them.
And if it is not a good fit.. try to get them to focus on a problem you can solve.. a problem they aren't even thinking of. You minimize the problem they are focused on that you cannot solve.. like a national championship.. you might say, yeah, Duke gives you a better chance at that now.. but they aren't a sure thing.. Coach K will retire soon.. they one one championship this decade (yeah I know, you still have 2019 and 2020 to go).. at best your chances are 1 in 10.. then you could be watching them win from the bench if you have typical freshman issues.
This is sales.. you find a way that you have the solution to their problem.. that problem will change from recruit to recruit.
You want to go to a school good academic rep and great tutoring to help you? We're it.
You want to go to a party school where you get along with the student body.. we're it.
You want a coach who can teach you.. we're it.
You find what interests them and tell them why RUTGERS fits them.
And if it is not a good fit.. try to get them to focus on a problem you can solve.. a problem they aren't even thinking of. You minimize the problem they are focused on that you cannot solve.. like a national championship.. you might say, yeah, Duke gives you a better chance at that now.. but they aren't a sure thing.. Coach K will retire soon.. they one one championship this decade (yeah I know, you still have 2019 and 2020 to go).. at best your chances are 1 in 10.. then you could be watching them win from the bench if you have typical freshman issues.
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The one thing that should be standing out right now is how well we are developing positions at the four and five spot ...
The Onamuryi, the Matt Zona’s of the world ...as we will probably need 3 of our next four scholarship to be given out to guys playing four and five ...should be noticing that we are developing big men to their potential ...And that is something this staff can really sell.
The Onamuryi, the Matt Zona’s of the world ...as we will probably need 3 of our next four scholarship to be given out to guys playing four and five ...should be noticing that we are developing big men to their potential ...And that is something this staff can really sell.
I appreciate your sentiment, but we've got no right (yet) to refer to another team as of no national significance when they could say we have little significance in our own state.
For the most part, one and dones are a poor investment of playing time and player development for programs like Rutgers. They work out much better for schools that just reload every year. If one of our current freshman was a one and done, for example, they'd be gone next year, and we'd actually be behind as a team next year in terms of experience than we'd be otherwise.
Yes, but you're well enough read to know why those commitments happened.
But you would have a Rutgers player in the league that RU could use as a recruiting tool to land the next 5* or high 4* at that position that RU is recruiting
His squeeze doesn't go to LSU that was just a smokescreen. He went there cause he is getting paid. Do some research into Will Wade.
Ben Simmons said was offered whatever he wanted at LSU, he said that himself
I don't think he even pretended to go to class
I don't think he even pretended to go to class
I've said in other posts best way to spread out the one and done talent is have scholarships count a minimum of 2 years. So Kentucky might have two one and done this year but end up 2 scholarships short next year. And next year the same. Trending to team always being 2 or 3 scholarships short. Well they will be affected. These stars will have to play more minutes. Practice will be affected. I think you will see coaches cherry picking the one guy they want and filling out the roster with 4 stars instead. Thus it will trickle down and suddenly there will be more of a balance of strength amongst upper teams. Which then trickles down to next level Etc.
Then why isn't there a hint of probation ?
Every kid who goes down south doesn't get paid .
I think Will Wade has known Reid since he was in the 8th grade. Long term relationship there.
I missed this thread on the first run. Now I see why everyone here was pissed. Very condescending posts from Russ and TD.
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