Sagarin Rating

[NiTeKnight]

Sagarin has RU as #52 after the Seton Hall win. Not too shabby!
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/

 

[dpwhite]

KenPom 57
Torvik 52

 

[BillyC80]

Pike’s Progress

KenPom
2016/17: 135
2017/18: 130
2018/19: 78
2019/20: 57 (12/15/19)

 

[Mr_Twister]

Expect entries coming out of the woodwork killing Sagarin ratings and how they are never correct and can’t be used for predictions or team comparisons. Almost as persistent as claims that “the refs killed us”.

 

[knights1212]

We are moving on up. Go RU.

 

[SBP]

St. Bonnies loss REALLY hurt this, that’s for sure. It’s a different team now, but that was a killer...oh well, just gotta snatch a few more that we aren’t expected to win, and could be dancing...

 

[RUJMM78]

St. Bonnies loss REALLY hurt this, that’s for sure. It’s a different team now, but that was a killer...oh well, just gotta snatch a few more that we aren’t expected to win, and could be dancing...

Pitt was equally bad performance.

 

[ecojew]

St. Bonnies loss REALLY hurt this, that’s for sure. It’s a different team now, but that was a killer...oh well, just gotta snatch a few more that we aren’t expected to win, and could be dancing...

The Bonnies are now 7-4, so while still a bad loss, it's not quite as bad as it seemed at the time.

 

[BillyC80]

St. Bonnies loss REALLY hurt this, that’s for sure. It’s a different team now, but that was a killer...oh well, just gotta snatch a few more that we aren’t expected to win, and could be dancing...

Good comment, “It’s a different team now.” We were still a work in progress during that away game v Bonnies. It was our 4th game of this season, with 4 new starters versus our 4th game last year (Omoruyi, Doorson, Thiam, Kiss and Baker).

This year’s team has an identity now.

 

[MadRU]

We need to learn how to win away from the RAC.

 

[Mr_Twister]

The Bonnies are now 7-4, so while still a bad loss, it's not quite as bad as it seemed at the time.

Both Pitt and St. Bonaventure have coaches who have been around the block who you knew would have their teams ready to beat on-the-road Rutgers.

 

[toby83]

MUST take the next three, then have momentum and try to get some of same atmosphere vs PSU Jan 7

 

[BillyC80]

We need to learn how to win away from the RAC.

January 3rd at Nebraska will be a good opportunity.

 

[scarlet4life]

MUST take the next three, then have momentum and try to get some of same atmosphere vs PSU Jan 7

I believe the new term for that is RACmosphere!!

 

[MadRU]

January 3rd at Nebraska will be a good opportunity.

Very important, Nebraska has a fast player kind of like Pitt. Concerns me some.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

The Bonnies are now 7-4, so while still a bad loss, it's not quite as bad as it seemed at the time.

Need them to have a winning record

 

[RUtrumpet92]

We are ranked ahead of Syracuse.

Eight down, 12 to go... I want 20 wins this season...

 

[Scarlet Blind]

The first NET rankings will be released tomorrow, Dec. 16.

 

[scarletNJ49]

Pike’s Progress

KenPom
2016/17: 135
2017/18: 130
2018/19: 78
2019/20: 57 (12/15/19)

Didn’t they start that first year like #234? I remember that was a preseason rallying cry for the team.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Lafayette - W
Caldwell - W
Nebraska - W
Penn State - W
Illinois - L

 

[BillyC80]

Didn’t they start that first year like #234? I remember that was a preseason rallying cry for the team.

Final KenPom 2015/16: 279 (record of 7-25)

 

[bac2therac]

the only rankings that matter for NCAA purposes are the NET rankings

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Very important, Nebraska has a fast player kind of like Pitt. Concerns me some.

NU is nowhere near Pitt as far as playing together as a team. Also, they are short (4 guards) who still don't play well together.

 

[BillyC80]

the only rankings that matter for NCAA purposes are the NET rankings

Bac, due to all the auto bids, where would we need to be, NET wise, to at least be on the bubble. Top 40?

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Lafayette - W
Caldwell - W
Nebraska - W
Penn State - W
Illinois - L

I feel you BIGTIME! The Illinois game does p*ss me off. I'm hoping Illinois plays one of those games where they are mistake-prone and overlook us. If Rutgers plays the D they are playing now, who knows?

 

[bac2therac]

Bac, due to all the auto bids, where would we need to be, NET wise, to at least be on the bubble. Top 40?

like the rpi, the ncaa doesnt just go by rankings, other factors come into play but its a guideline....the net nitty gritty of Q1 and Q2 records is very important as is SOS OOC and in league. Usually you have to have at least one quality non conference win...RU has that as long as SHU doesnt collapse, if they do, a win over a middling SHU who is missing the ncaa tourney means zero.

If RU is in the top 60 range they have a shot but if they dont have any Q1 wins its not going to happen


i will wait until the first official net rankings come out tomorrow, I know there are unofficial net rankings out now. RU is lagging right now at 101 but its rpi is 62. St Bonnies is a Q 3 loss so they will have to have a good year to get into the top 100 where it becomes a Q2 loss

 

[BillyC80]

Appreciate the explanation, thanks bac.

 

[knightfan7]

I feel you BIGTIME! The Illinois game does p*ss me off. I'm hoping Illinois plays one of those games where they are mistake-prone and overlook us. If Rutgers plays the D they are playing now, who knows?

I think with their 2 bigs the Illini will only get tougher the longer they play together. Of course that doesn't mean they won't have a couple head scratchers like last season.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

January 3rd at Nebraska will be a good opportunity.

By the way, Tim Miles seems to be all in for Coach Pike and Coach Schiano. Said something like Coach Schiano is putting Rutgers magnets on cars as we speak on but he Big Ten Network.

 

[Duff366]

Watched the Indiana-Nebraska game. At least for one game Nebraska looked good. They have a bunch of athletic guards who give RU fits. Would expect Nebraska to be favored at home

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Watched the Indiana-Nebraska game. At least for one game Nebraska looked good. They have a bunch of athletic guards who give RU fits. Would expect Nebraska to be favored at home

NU has athletic guards, but they lack size and organization. Depth is a problem as the rotation is still in flux. The way Rutgers' defense is playing you can neutralize NU. A matchup zone like SU would test their patience. NU has one legit shooter from 3pt land.

 

[BillyC80]

By the way, Tim Miles seems to be all in for Coach Pike and Coach Schiano. Said something like Coach Schiano is putting Rutgers magnets on cars as we speak on but he Big Ten Network.

Have only seen Tim Miles on the B1G show twice, and he’s pretty good. Gives color commentary with humor and a coach’s insight.

 

[MadRU]

NU is nowhere near Pitt as far as playing together as a team. Also, they are short (4 guards) who still don't play well together.

Nebraska beating Purdue at the half by 11. They are spreading the floor well today. All big road games will be tough, no gimmies.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Nebraska beating Purdue at the half by 11. They are spreading the floor well today. All big road games will be tough, no gimmies.

No gimmies, but the more I watch Purdue the more I think how inconsistent without their star guard from last year. Also, I'll put Purdue fans in the same category as Wisconsin, so I hope NU blows the doors off these *ssholes.

 

[bigmatt718]

No gimmies, but the more I watch Purdue the more I think how inconsistent without their star guard from last year. Also, I'll put Purdue fans in the same category as Wisconsin, so I hope NU blows the doors off these *ssholes.

Carson Edwards, the star Purdue guard from last year, is playing in the G-League for the Celtics in Portland, Maine.

 

[MadRU]

Nebraska wins by 14. Player for Nebraska had a triplet double, first in school history.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Nebraska wins by 14. Player for Nebraska had a triplet double, first in school history.

I'm feeling better about Rutgers' chances against Purdue.

 

[MadRU]

I'm feeling better about Rutgers' chances against Purdue.

Haarms got hurt late in the game. Took a hard fall, might be a whiplash affect on his neck. Hope he is ok.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Haarms got hurt late in the game. Took a hard fall, might be a whiplash affect on his neck. Hope he is ok.

It was a nasty fall.

 

[RU848789]

I'm feeling better about Rutgers' chances against Purdue.

And presumably worse about our chances on the road against Nebraska...PSU is no gimmie at all and Illinois on the road will be tough. No breathers in the B1G.