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We can even go back to Sanders' First B1G game in 2015 vs. an experienced Yogi Ferrell

Sanders: 7-16 , 3-7 from 3PT, 3 TO's, 5 Assists, 17 points

Yogi: 6-14, 1-5 3PT, 6 TO's, 7 Assists, 20 Points.

He has matched up well against B1G guards in his first two years, Head to Head. With all due respect FIG.....not your best comment....lol
 
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Scangg said:
More like talented YES a good BIG guard YES reached full potential NO
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THIS EXACTLY. Nobody is saying he is perfect. But he is already a good guard. He is only a Sophmore. I don't think he regressed either. I think he was asked to do different things this season and it took him a while to get acclimated. I saw a guy trying to do what his coach wanted. Again, he is not perfect, but he is the best we have and he is in the top half of the PG's in the big as an underclassman. You want to argue 6-10 fine. We should all be praying he returns this year and next.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
We can even go back to Sanders' First B1G game in 2015 vs. an experienced Yogi Ferrell

Sanders: 7-16 , 3-7 from 3PT, 3 TO's, 5 Assists, 17 points

Yogi: 6-14, 1-5 3PT, 6 TO's, 7 Assists, 20 Points.

He has matched up well against B1G guards in his first two years, Head to Head. With all due respect FIG.....not your best comment....lol
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That is one game,though. I know where FIG is coming from. From an advanced stats perspective, his efficiency rating is below average. He did improve in defense this year, but fell behind in offense. The numbers from a stats perspective are not extremely kind when it is shown he used the ball 28.1 percent this past season.

If you compare his stats to Myles Mack, Mack is off the charts from an offensive standpoint, and his defense was not as terrible as one thought. Mack was a good player here at RU, and his stats show that.

My last comment though is that Sanders still has time to get to that level. Will he?None of us know. But he does have time, as long as he uses it well. Such is life. I am writing on a message board at the moment. Damn it.

Everyone hopes he can.
 
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And for the record it is not that easy to just develop your left hand. I have tried. Many have tried. If it was easy everyone would do it. It's possible he is only going to get exponentially better going to his left. Same with jump shooting.
 
RickB113 said:
And for the record it is not that easy to just develop your left hand. I have tried. Many have tried. If it was easy everyone would do it. It's possible he is only going to get exponentially better going to his left. Same with jump shooting.
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One of the best guards ever, Alan Iverson NEVER went left. I think he was pretty successful. Sanders, is NOT as good or as quick as Iverson but he can be successful with his quickness. His biggest flaw is his Jump Shot.
 
higgins3 said:
That is one game,though. I know where FIG is coming from. From an advanced stats perspective, his efficiency rating is below average. He did improve in defense this year, but fell behind in offense. The numbers from a stats perspective are not extremely kind when it is shown he used the ball 28.1 percent this past season.

If you compare his stats to Myles Mack, Mack is off the charts from an offensive standpoint, and his defense was not as terrible as one thought. Mack was a good player here at RU, and his stats show that.

My last comment though is that Sanders still has time to get to that level. Will he?None of us know. But he does have time, as long as he uses it well. Such is life. I am writing on a message board at the moment. Damn it.

Everyone hopes he can.
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Higgins...the point is and the stats support it. He was done well going head to head against B1G guards. Certainly, he can get better....everyone can.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
Higgins...the point is and the stats support it. He was done well going head to head against B1G guards. Certainly, he can get better....everyone can.
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I want to see Sanders do as best possible for himself. The numbers point that he is average to below average at the moment. If I am seeing them wrong, someone correct me. I have no emotion tied to this. Just trying to get facts so this discussion could be put to rest.
 
Greene Rice FIG said:
True or False....

Out of the 14 B1G point guards at least 7 were better than him.
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My initial thought was that he was just a sophomore, and that the better PGs may have been upperclassmen.... but then I went back and looked at the class year and BPM of B1G point guards. Sanders was last overall, largely held back by his -1.2 OBPM, but he also didn't show well against other underclassmen, either.

Definitely a lot to work on.

B1G PGs:
Senior
Walton Jr (Michigan) - 11.0
Showalter (Wisconsin) - 10.0
Webster (Nebraska) - 5.3

Junior
Mathias (Purdue) - 8.5
Mason (Minnesota) - 5.8
Nairn Jr (MSU) - 2.5
Newkirk (Indiana) - 1.8
McIntosh (Northwestern) - 1.6

Sophomore
Lyle (OSU) - 4.4
Sanders (RU) - 0.3

Freshman
Cowan (Maryland) - 5.7
Winston (MSU) - 2.9
Bohannon (Iowa) - 2.5
Carr (PA St) - 1.8
 
higgins3 said:
I want to see Sanders do as best possible for himself. The numbers point that he is average to below average at the moment. If I am seeing them wrong, someone correct me. I have no emotion tied to this. Just trying to get facts so this discussion could be put to rest.
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I know you are responding to numbers, but numbers don't take into account that Sanders is really our only offensive threat. Plus he constantly has the ball at the end of the shot clock being forced to make something. If you polled the big ten coaches they would all want him. And he would play 20 plus minutes on most teams save your top 1 or 2 back courts. We don't have another player like that. Period. Stop.
 
RickB113 said:
I know you are responding to numbers, but numbers don't take into account that Sanders is really our only offensive threat. Plus he constantly has the ball at the end of the shot clock being forced to make something. If you polled the big ten coaches they would all want him. And he would play 20 plus minutes on most teams save your top 1 or 2 back courts. We don't have another player like that. Period. Stop.
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Numbers game. I don't have anything against Sanders. Anyone can tell you the amount of ball controllers we have had in the past. The numbers are not surprising.

Freeman is a threat, Williams is a threat. Take the emotion out of it. Throughout the year I was never saying Sanders was unstoppable. In fact, I would tell my brother his offensive game was one dimensional at best.

The biggest truth is that he can improve.
 
Greene

I hear what you are saying as well as the others

Sanders is a talented kid who is no where near a finished NBA draftable product

In an ideal world, he is on campus in classes and working out with his teammates toward getting better individually and improving with the team chemistry by being around his teammates as part of the team.

But the kid was not recruited by this staff, and we don't know if this is part of the recruiting pitch the original staff made (and "conditions") to him being here.....It does fly in the face of the team concept that the staff is pushing....but I'll trust the staff to doing what he thinks needs to be done...and maybe what needs to be done in the best interest of improving the program is allowing this to go on with a holdover player because he is, potentially, the most talented kid on the roster to be better on the court and the W and L record until he gets his kids in here

Can't argue that it worked last year....7-25 to 15-18

So let's keep an eye on it....but defer to the staff here, they know what's the deal and going on and the year 1 track record allows some confidence in their judgement until the bottom line doesn't justify that confidence
 
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Right now he's a very important member of this team despite his flaws as a basketball player which are obvious to everyone despite any argument to the contrary. But to just pick up and spend the last two months of the academic semester 3000 miles from campus again? Yes, as an alum and a fan I'm tired of the drama.

If the experience last year did anything to improve his outside or free throw shooting I sure didn't see it.
 
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I know you are responding to numbers, but numbers don't take into account that Sanders is really our only offensive threat. Plus he constantly has the ball at the end of the shot clock being forced to make something. If you polled the big ten coaches they would all want him. And he would play 20 plus minutes on most teams save your top 1 or 2 back courts. We don't have another player like that. Period. Stop.
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Absolutely, Sanders has played on less talented teams. Parsing stats is not the way to look at this...all things are not equal. With Rutgers, the primary focus of the opponent was to stop Sanders. He drew a lot of attention because of the lack of talent around him. Rutgers only had 1, maybe 2 other offensive threats.
 
Shack I agree.
1. I think Sanders is a good teammate and is not selfish, although his play is
2. Definite commitment on the defensive end. Big time kudos.

He needs the staff right now making him better and he needs to be in training with his teammates right now. 3 b1G regular season wins as the starting PG of RU. That isn't despite him it is partly because of him. He has to IMPROVE for us to be anything.
 
Stats schmats. #s are so overrated. Just use your eyeballs people. He has some things that he REALLY needs to work on... things that will keep him out of the league. He also has some skillsets that every team in the B1G would wish all of their guards had. With all of his flaws, he is still a VERY tough matchup for a majority of the guards in our league. He is an all-world athlete at his height, and he is a very powerful slasher (albeit only to one side). He is a more than capable defender. Flipside...His jumpshot is poor. Very inconsistent, not pretty, not fluid at all. Distributing the ball? A work in progress. Had some nice assists this year but has a scorer's mentality, so it is a tough transition for him I'm sure, mentally.

Besides obviously his shot, I'd love to see him develop more of a drive and dish game. Rarely do you see him leave his feet on a penetration to the basket, draw a defender in the air, then dish to a cutter, a big in the post/on the blocks, a shooter on the perimeter, etc. He should be able to draw that kind of attention with his drives, leaving someone open when help d comes. Some of that is on C. When he leaves his feet he is scoring/trying to score. That's in his DNA. But some of that aspect can be blamed on the other guys as well. Someone needs to be open and that phase of the game is just as much about his court vision as it is about the off-the-ball motion that is occuring with the other 4 guys on the floor. He also needs to have confidence in the other 4.
 
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Greene Rice FIG said:
Shack I agree.
1. I think Sanders is a good teammate and is not selfish, although his play is
2. Definite commitment on the defensive end. Big time kudos.

He needs the staff right now making him better and he needs to be in training with his teammates right now. 3 b1G regular season wins as the starting PG of RU. That isn't despite him it is partly because of him. He has to IMPROVE for us to be anything.
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Okay.....so now Sanders is partly to blame for the team only having 3 wins ? Not the lack of overall talent and shooters. He is partly to blame because he is 1/5 of the team....yes, that is true.
 
The way i see it.....
Better than sanders
1. Koenig (WIS)
2. Trimble (MD)..terpsfan that frequents will say Cowan is more the 1
3. mason (MIN)
4. Walton jr (MICH)
5. The turtle (NW)
6. Bohannon (Iowa)
7. Carr (PSU)

Worse than sanders
1. Winston and Narins (MSU)
2. Lucas and Abrams (ILL)

Debatable
1. Webster (NEB)
2. Carsen edwards (PUR)
3. Lyle/Jackson (OSU)
4. Newkirk (IU)
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
Okay.....so now Sanders is partly to blame for the team only having 3 wins ? Not the lack of overall talent and shooters. He is partly to blame because he is 1/5 of the team....yes, that is true.
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I'd argue as the PG and the amount of time he touches the ball the number is closer to 1/3. He is a large part of the lack of shooters.

Take 1 of the 7 on my list above and I KNOW we'd have more than 3 wins.
 
Stats are just a piece of the pie. Nobody gets drafted in the NBA solely on their PPG, APG or some mathematical formula judging effectiveness. It is still mostly eyeball observation at the end of the day AND also, just as important, how a player's game is envisioned fitting in at the next level. Just in terms of point guards, think of how many flatout awesome PGs we all had the pleasure (or not pleasure) of watching all those years in the Big East. A large majority of them either never made it to the L or fizzled quickly. The NBA is so different than college. You can be enamored with a college player- He has the stats, the all-conference accolades, hits big-time shots in big moments and he barely has a cup of coffee in the league because he gets beat out by Mr. Nobody from Texas- San whatever, because Mr. Nobody is quicker, more athletic and is just a better fit in the pros. Happens all the time.

BTW this post is not about Corey. I'm just addressing the sillyness of focusing on stats. They don't NOT matter. Of course they matter. But again, they are just a piece of the pie... sometimes even just a sliver. Not to be Captain Obvious here, but stats are so heavily influenced by the people around you. Just think of how assists to turnover ratio is effected by the recipient of the pass. Or how PPG can often be dictated by the player's role in the offense vs. the roles of everyone around him, not to mention the type of offense that is run and how much of a centerpiece the player is to the offense, and also the level of competition, not necessarily in the league a player competes in, but look at that player's particular matchups i.e. who is matching up against him every game. Eyeballs people, eyeballs and skillset translation in the pros. Take Kentucky for example. A lot of times their high high-end top lottery draft picks under Cal are guys that were the 3rd or 4th leading scorers on the team... but their game and skillset translates perfectly in the pros. Stats almost go out the window at that point.

Again I don't mean this rant to be applied to the Corey discussion. Not about Corey. It's about the focus on stats/effectiveness formulas etc. Flawed approach.
 
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The way i see it.....
Better than sanders
1. Koenig (WIS)
2. Trimble (MD)..terpsfan that frequents will say Cowan is more the 1
3. mason (MIN)
4. Walton jr (MICH)
5. The turtle (NW)
6. Bohannon (Iowa)
7. Carr (PSU)

Worse than sanders
1. Winston and Narins (MSU)
2. Lucas and Abrams (ILL)

Debatable
1. Webster (NEB)
2. Carsen edwards (PUR)
3. Lyle/Jackson (OSU)
4. Newkirk (IU)
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While I believe this is a fair assessment I wonder how good the top 7 point guards would look/be as Rutgers PG. Conversley would Sanders look/be that much better on say Michigan. I believe if Sanders was Michigans PG with all those shooters opening up the floor he would be all big ten. He still wouldn't go to the NBA because his flaws would still be there but he would dominate. I also think he would look to pass more. I saw him as a pass first PG early in the season. That didn't work though in big ten play because we just don't have the weapons and he forced more.
 
FIG - you definitely seem to be way too hard on Sanders. He's one of the best players to don scarlet in a couple of decades. Is he complete? No. Does he have flaws (which most on here will agree with)? Yes. But when you say he's not a good B1G guard, you come across as clueless. And anyone who follows you here knows you're not clueless.

I don't know what it is, but something about Sanders clearly rubs you the wrong way enough to say things like he's not a good B1G guard.

that's just crazy talk IMO.

you can be critical of him, and his flaws...but the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" was made up for situations like this...that's what you're doing.
 
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FIG - you definitely seem to be way too hard on Sanders. He's one of the best players to don scarlet in a couple of decades. Is he complete? No. Does he have flaws (which most on here will agree with)? Yes. But when you say he's not a good B1G guard, you come across as clueless. And anyone who follows you here knows you're not clueless.

I don't know what it is, but something about Sanders clearly rubs you the wrong way enough to say things like he's not a good B1G guard.

that's just crazy talk IMO.

you can be critical of him, and his flaws...but the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" was made up for situations like this...that's what you're doing.
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Agreed. The fact that some opposing B1G coaches were actually quoted this year as saying they knew they had to gameplan for C proves that he is a legit B1G guard and a problem for the opposition. Some commentators absolutely love him, esp. John Crispin. It's an absolute Corey lovefest when he does our games. Jabrill Peppers-ESPNesque when Crispin does our games, ha. Heck, if someone asked around the conference, asked other guards, I guarantee you the consensus from his peers that have had to defend & gameplan for him would be that he is the main focus top priority when facing Rutgers, is a hell of an athlete, a tough competitor and a serious scoring threat. I don't think a single one of his competitive peers' answers would be "Nah, he's not a good B1G guard". That's laughable.
 
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Greene Rice FIG said:
Sanders wouldn't play on Michigan.
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Michigan plays a certain style under Beilen and there many good players that would not fit in or play for Michigan. Beilen would probably pass on a lot of good, very good or even great players if they don't fit........NEXT unwarranted criticism ?
 
Greene Rice FIG said:
Sure. Name some really good guards on winning teams that weren't at least a threat from 3?

Isn't being able to shoot almost a prerequisite for playing the position these days.
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Just taking a look at the winning teams in conference this season, there's Bryant McIntosh from Northwestern. 14.8 ppg (.404 FG%, .307 3P%), 5.2 ast, 2.8 rbs

And as for Sanders, he had a brutal OOC slump (.154), but he shot .321 during conference play.... which was more in line with his .315 from last year. Not saying a .315-.325 rate is good, but it's certainly not disqualifying as a college PG.
 
I'd be pretty confident that McIntosh shoots it better next year.

I want to see Sanders able to make a catch and shoot 3. It seems like his % is higher taking a stepback 3 VS. a wide open one that he knows he has to take.
 
Agree on both counts.

Unfortunately, a lot of our offense last year ended up with Sanders (or Johnson) with the ball high above the arc with 5-6 seconds left on the clock. That frequently seemed to be because another player (Laurent, for example) passed up an open shot within the offense, and Sanders/Johnson had to try to force something (either a drive, or a step back three) or get a shot clock violation. I'm hoping that the overall offensive confidence improves a bit next year.

Sanders definitely has some key skills to improve on for next year, which have been talked about a lot on this board. Hopefully the jump from soph to junior year will see improvement, as it often does.
 
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Sanders wouldn't play on Michigan.
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Michigan showed interest in Corey. I remember him telling me that on the phone one day in June when I called him to see if he would be coming to Florida's team camp. I want to say it was in June between his sophomore and junior year of HS.

I was happy for him but frankly I was surprised at the interest, because I just didn't see him as a Beilen guy.

Overtime Michigan backed off.
 
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RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
Okay.....so now Sanders is partly to blame for the team only having 3 wins ? Not the lack of overall talent and shooters. He is partly to blame because he is 1/5 of the team....yes, that is true.
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The lack of shooters /scorers has been the biggest cause of past failures.in the Big East.AAC and the B1G.
 
SirScarlet said:
FIG - you definitely seem to be way too hard on Sanders. He's one of the best players to don scarlet in a couple of decades. Is he complete? No. Does he have flaws (which most on here will agree with)? Yes. But when you say he's not a good B1G guard, you come across as clueless. And anyone who follows you here knows you're not clueless.

I don't know what it is, but something about Sanders clearly rubs you the wrong way enough to say things like he's not a good B1G guard.

that's just crazy talk IMO.

you can be critical of him, and his flaws...but the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" was made up for situations like this...that's what you're doing.
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His stance on Sanders is one of the most bizarre things I've seen on this board.

Corey's game along with his devotion to the program are not perfect.....But he is one of the most exciting players this school has seen in years and has done his part to help us move on from being one of the worst programs in D1 (which we were about 3-4 years ago). The kid wants to make it big and likes to have fun along the way. He doesn't appear to be a cancer in the locker room and he is not a ball hog on the court.

Watching his videos in high school I was a little worried about what we were getting and what we would have to put up with but from the surface he hasn't caused any major problems so far (other than his minor suspension last year). I do think that both he and the team would benefit more if he was training in NJ but as long as he's not causing problems and the staff is okay with what he's doing out in CA then im okay with it.

IMHO Sanders won't ever touch an NBA court (hope in wrong) but he's someone this program needs right now.
 
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Michigan showed interest in Corey. I remember him telling me that on the phone one day in June when I called him to see if he would be coming to Florida's team camp. I want to say it was in June between his sophomore and junior year of HS.

I was happy for him but frankly I was surprised at the interest, because I just didn't see him as a Beilen guy.

Overtime Michigan backed off.
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I think most of us would agree. Corey Sanders' style of play absolutely does not fit with Coach Beilen. Then again, there are a lot of college players that would not fit in with what Coach Beilen likes to do on offense.
 
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