Schiano and the Big Ten

[straighttalkexpress]

Someone alluded that Schiano left because he knew RU was going to the Big Ten & thought RU couldn't compete.
I always thought the opposite-if he knew RU was going to the Big Ten, he would have stayed. I thought he left because he thought we would be stuck in a really watered down Big East with no auto bowl bid.

I'm way smarter than most here and better looking but could I be wrong on this one? Did Schiano really leave out of fear of becoming a Big Ten basement dweller?

 

[RUJohnny99]

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/1/26/2739933/greg-schiano-rutgers-big-east-coaches

 

[superfan01]

No chance. He got an NFL offer and left. Plain and simple.

By your logic had Rutgers stayed in the big east. Schiano would have turned down bucs and the money.

Not likely.

 

[jay_hq]

WHO CARES?

 

[Caliknight]

Whoever "alluded" to that is a moron.

We were never invited to the Big 10 before he left, nor did anyone know we were going to end up there, even the administration.

Further, Big 10 or not, he got offered one the few jobs at the very highest end of his profession. The elite of the elite. A better question would be would he have still left to go to the NFL if it was known we would eventually be in the B1G?

Speculation, but I say no. He seems like a guy who needed to be on the biggest stage and all that it offered, and the B1G is just that. He did turn town Michigan though, so who knows.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

o_O[roll]

 

[RUsojo]

Chip Kelly ruined both my teams at the time. If he doesn't back out of the Tampa gig they never hire Greg. Oh well. #AshEra

 

[AreYouNUTS]

nt

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Whoever "alluded" to that is a moron.

nor did anyone know we were going to end up there, even the administration.

.

You might want to read some emails I sent you a long time ago my friend...no, it wasn't a done deal, but, things were WELL in motion a long time ago...it was very much a strong possibility for a few years...things just had to play out and they did.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

As long as Rutgers is in The State of New Jersey it can compete in any conference. It comes down to whether they're will to do what it takes. The State of Alamaba produce premier power team for crying out loud so New Jersey certainly can!

 

[lighty]

Whoever "alluded" to that is a moron.

+1

There's always dumb things said about Achiano but the thought that he left Rutgers because the school was headed to the Big Ten ranks among the dumbest IMO.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

+1

There's always dumb things said about Achiano but the thought that he left Rutgers because the school was headed to the Big Ten ranks among the dumbest IMO.

EDIT: I responded to the wrong post. Sorry guys!

 

[gunboat]

Whoever "alluded" to that is a moron.

We were never invited to the Big 10 before he left, nor did anyone know we were going to end up there, even the administration.

Further, Big 10 or not, he got offered one the few jobs at the very highest end of his profession. The elite of the elite. A better question would be would he have still left to go to the NFL if it was known we would eventually be in the B1G?

Speculation, but I say no. He seems like a guy who needed to be on the biggest stage and all that it offered, and the B1G is just that. He did turn town Michigan though, so who knows.

I always go back to the end of the game with Syracuse the fall we got the word we were in the B1G. Game ends, we win at Syracuse, and Schiano and Pernetti jump in each others arms and do man hugs. That game to me had more significance then just a win.

 

[eceres]

Think whatever you'd like but some of the most respected people around here and RU athletics have stated for years, and know otherwise, about our courtship with the B1G. All good.

Courtship doesn't always leads to marriage. Nebreska alone invite in June 2010 was not a good sign for us. January 2012 he left Rutgers. We then were invited end of 2012. I have no info if chatter picked back up - from fan side it seemed to happen fast unlike Nebraska addition.

 

[patk89]

There were some pure idiots on this board who wrote that Schiano turned down Michigan because he didn't want the pressure of competing at that level. That he would just keep collecting his $2 million check from RU and work here forever. Those same people became enraged when he left for a hefty pay raise and the NFL. Never admitting that they were totally wrong.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

He left for a NFL job, failed, was out of work for a few years , couldn't get another HC job and is now a co-DC.

Good for him,

 

[RU848789]

I always go back to the end of the game with Syracuse the fall we got the word we were in the B1G. Game ends, we win at Syracuse, and Schiano and Pernetti jump in each others arms and do man hugs. That game to me had more significance then just a win.

Did you hallucinate this vision, since Schiano left in Feb-2012 and we got the B1G invite in Nov-2012?

While I'm sure Schiano knew we were on the B1G's radar for years, I could also see him being frustrated by what appeared to be empty promises (especially after Neb got in). I've always wondered if he would've stayed when Tampa came to call if we were in the B1G, given that he had turned Michigan down before to stay at RU. Maybe not, but it would've made the decision tougher...

 

[rurahrah000]

Someone alluded that Schiano left because he knew RU was going to the Big Ten & thought RU couldn't compete.
I always thought the opposite-if he knew RU was going to the Big Ten, he would have stayed. I thought he left because he thought we would be stuck in a really watered down Big East with no auto bowl bid.

I'm way smarter than most here and better looking but could I be wrong on this one? Did Schiano really leave out of fear of becoming a Big Ten basement dweller?

You really think that a guy like Schiano and his out sized ego didn't think he could coach in B1G. He was offered by Michigan a few years before leaving Rutgers. I think he was going to leave when he got a HC offer in the NFL.

 

[imbazza2]

@schadjoe Schiano was intrigued by NFL challenge but also concerned about perceived uncertainty of the future direction the Big East

Perceived Uncertainty of the Big East <<< SHOWED COCERN
Nothing about going to B1G but Yes we were on the B10 radar before Nebraska showed interest in leaving the B12. Delany jumped at UN while the fire was hot. Our AD and maybe Schiano had some notion that we were B10 targets. Schiano and his ego would have loved it. He took a PRO HC job end of story the top of his profession! And I guess that was the reason he did not take the Michigan job he was scared of the B10? [roll][roll][roll][roll]

 

[Sec 127]

At one point it looked like Schiano to Mich was a done deal. At the 11th hour something must have spooked either Schiano or Michigan and it fell through.
Don't think it would be logical for him to be afraid of the competition in the Big 10 with RU and not be afraid of the competition in the NFL with a Tampa Bay team.
He seems like the kind of guy who jumps in feet first when presented with a challenge.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Did you hallucinate this vision, since Schiano left in Feb-2012 and we got the B1G invite in Nov-2012?

While I'm sure Schiano knew we were on the B1G's radar for years, I could also see him being frustrated by what appeared to be empty promises (especially after Neb got in). I've always wondered if he would've stayed when Tampa came to call if we were in the B1G, given that he had turned Michigan down before to stay at RU. Maybe not, but it would've made the decision tougher...

I feel like I am on hallucinogens reading this thread.

Going to Tampa was no slam dunk for Schiano. He had to know that. Every decision is a tough one and every job in this profession is not secure. He had a long leash at RU and also had the AD's on his side. He probably knew that the BIG was a possibility but chose the NFL. Who knows why and really who cares? It's a new day so I'm all about Ash now. I am thankful for all that Schiano did to build this. Now it's time for another step up.

 

[MADHAT1]

At one point it looked like Schiano to Mich was a done deal. At the 11th hour something must have spooked either Schiano or Michigan and it fell through.
Don't think it would be logical for him to be afraid of the competition in the Big 10 with RU and not be afraid of the competition in the NFL with a Tampa Bay team.
He seems like the kind of guy who jumps in feet first when presented with a challenge.

It has been said that Schiano was ready to accept the Wolverine HC position and told the Michigan AD (Martin) he wanted to think about that night and would let Michigan know his decision in the morning.
That night Schiano called Mulcahy and whatever was discussed caused him to turn down the Michigan job and take his name out of consideration.

 

[Abro1975]

I've heard Alabama also was interested in Schiano when they fired Mike Shula .

 

[MADHAT1]

Did you hallucinate this vision, since Schiano left in Feb-2012 and we got the B1G invite in Nov-2012?

While I'm sure Schiano knew we were on the B1G's radar for years, I could also see him being frustrated by what appeared to be empty promises (especially after Neb got in). I've always wondered if he would've stayed when Tampa came to call if we were in the B1G, given that he had turned Michigan down before to stay at RU. Maybe not, but it would've made the decision tougher...

I think one of the reasons Schiano decided to take the Tampa position is because he wasn't going to ( or felt that way) receive the support from Pernetti that he received from Mulcahy .
Bob Mulcahy granted Schiano just about anything he wanted, with Tim P that kind of support might not continue because Barchi wasn't going to open up RU's wallet to Football the way McCormick let Mulcahy do.

 

[NickKnight 1]

If Schiano knew for sure we were going Big Ten, then that's good enough reason
for him to leave. He must have known if he couldn't beat New Hampshire, or last place
0 and 11 Syr. that he would he would be and embarresment in the Big 10. Now can we drop
the subject forever?

 

[MADHAT1]

If Schiano knew for sure we were going Big Ten, then that's good enough reason
for him to leave. He must have known if he couldn't beat New Hampshire, or last place
0 and 11 Syr. that he would he would be and embarresment in the Big 10. Now can we drop
the subject forever?

Yep and take the easy route by going to a Pro team that making it successful would be harder than making RU competitive in the B1G .
Don't think the support McCormick gave the FB program didn't have a role in Schiano's decision, especially with Barchi rumored to want the Athletic Department to cut off some of the funding that supports the Athletic Department which would make it harder for Greg to get what he wanted to improve the FB program from Pernetti.

As for dropping the subject, hard to do when you join in the conversation and keep it going with an opinion that I'm replying to [winking]

 

[rutgersdave]

I thought Schiano knew that over 30% of the board fans wanted him fired within 2 years if he didn't win the conference championship.

 

[RUich]

Real conferences like the BIG do their due diligence on any prospective invite. You are not talking about the AAC here! To think that the people in charge were shocked to be invited is ludicrous.
Schiano absolutely knew about the vetting process by the BIG that had been happening for years. Rutgers knew that it was pretty much just a matter of time.
As mentioned many times, few coaches are going to say no to the NFL if asked. Especially one who was definitely a perceived top choice with what he had done at RU.

 

[fbc1866]

He followed the path of many college coaches, left for the pros and return to the college ranks. He thought the grass was greener. The bucks was not the place for him but he should have learned something from that experience.

 

[RU5781]

I think one of the reasons Schiano decided to take the Tampa position is because he wasn't going to ( or felt that way) receive the support from Pernetti that he received from Mulcahy .
Bob Mulcahy granted Schiano just about anything he wanted, with Tim P that kind of support might not continue because Barchi wasn't going to open up RU's wallet to Football the way McCormick let Mulcahy do.

He accepted the job. His wife wanted to stay in NJ.
Mrs. Schiano won.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Courtship doesn't always leads to marriage. Nebreska alone invite in June 2010 was not a good sign for us. January 2012 he left Rutgers. We then were invited end of 2012. I have no info if chatter picked back up - from fan side it seemed to happen fast unlike Nebraska addition.

No, it doesn't, but we knew the whats, whys, and hows, for a few years, it was just a matter of "when" and we had a decent idea of that as well. The solo Nebraska invite was not in any way, shape, or form "not good" for Rutgers, and I'm well aware of the timeline, thanks. There are quite a few posters here whom I speak with privately, all the time, and we were well aware of what was going on back then (as were other groups on these boards).

 

[mdk01]

There were some pure idiots on this board who wrote that Schiano turned down Michigan because he didn't want the pressure of competing at that level.

Or perhaps he got a sense of how UM fans, alums react to new coaches who are not part of the Michigan "family". Just ask Rich Rod, although to a large degree he did it to himself.

And to move to the NFL, even the Bucs, can be seen to have made it to the top.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Gary who?

 

[RU848789]

He accepted the job. His wife wanted to stay in NJ.
Mrs. Schiano won.

Correct. I've posted about this before, including telling people that Schiano would likely turn down UM at the time, because I got that from as good a source as one could have, outside of Greg, himself. A good friend of mine and his family are close friends with Schiano and his family. They played together in the same secondary at Bucknell and their wives are friends and the kids are all close in age. He simply said that Christy will veto it and she did.

 

[retired711]

Think whatever you'd like but some of the most respected people around here and RU athletics have stated for years, and know otherwise, about our courtship with the B1G. All good.

Yes and no. Rutgers had wanted to be in the Big 10 for a long time. Bob Mulcahy once said to me that the Big 10 was interested in us, too -- but we had to be competitive first. That was Schiano's big accomplishment, and no one can take it away from him.

But I can't believe that Schiano left because he feared the Big 10. He would have loved the challenge. I agree with Caliknight that the key to Schiano's departure was getting a job offer that was impossible to refuse.

 

[lighty]

Think whatever you'd like but some of the most respected people around here and RU athletics have stated for years, and know otherwise, about our courtship with the B1G. All good.

Nuts,
Don't you think waiting for the Big Ten announcement became harder and harder for a guy like Schiano with each year? If it came shortly after 2006, I think he would definitely have stayed as coach. With all of the conference teams bolting over the years and Rutgers still on the outside, I think he may have either thought the invite would never come or take much longer than he wanted to wait.

I could be dead wrong, but I think if the invite came on his watch he might not have been as interested in interviewing with the NFL. Maybe that was his dream all along, but I still think he wanted a chance to coach in a major conference. If the NFL called him, I'm sure he would have left but coaching in the Big Ten might have kept him from LOOKING to leave.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Schiano always knew he was going to Big 10, he was just waiting for
Joe Paterno to retire. That's why he turned down Miami and Michigan.
But the ship hit the fan at ttfp.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Yes and no. Rutgers had wanted to be in the Big 10 for a long time. Bob Mulcahy once said to me that the Big 10 was interested in us, too -- but we had to be competitive first. That was Schiano's big accomplishment, and no one can take it away from him.

But I can't believe that Schiano left because he feared the Big 10. He would have loved the challenge. I agree with Caliknight that the key to Schiano's departure was getting a job offer that was impossible to refuse.

Think whatever you'd like. There was plenty to "know" for a few years before the official invite ever came about. Just because you, or others, weren't in the know at the time doesn't mean that others weren't.

BTW - I agree wholeheartedly that Greg WANTED the B1G - actually there is little-to-no question - and that there's no way in hell he could have, or should have, turned down a job in the NFL.

 

[Jonb127]

Think whatever you'd like but some of the most respected people around here and RU athletics have stated for years, and know otherwise, about our courtship with the B1G. All good.

You said this in response to someone saying it's dumb to think schiano left because Rutgers was going to the B1G. So are u saying that is true or just that people knew the B1G Invite was coming.

 

[ru78]

Who cares
It is OSU problems
He will hurt us in NJ in 2017 recruiting class in IMO on the D side