Schiano would've landed one of the QBs

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I agree with 99.9% of what you said but I can't buy I to the expected 10 wins. First, it's very difficult to expect any team to win 10 games, especially one without way more talent than their peers. Second, going into the season Arkansasw as penciled in as a lost by pretty much everyone. They had a QB people though could go in the 1st round, a winning coach, on the road, and the mythical SEC persona. Obviously, none of that turned out true but pundits didn't know that at the time.

Fair enough. I considered putting 9-10 wins there, and then deleted and left 10. I personally expected 10, and have often commented that it was unfortunate for Flood, because he was basically starting off his tenure as HC in a year when the expectations were literally impossible to exceed. He could either win the conference like everyone expected from that team or come up short. Had Schiano stayed for 2012, I think the overwhelming majority of fans would've wanted him fired if he failed to win the conference. As it wound up, Flood split the baby, technically winning the conference, but the team missed on two chances for an outright championship.

The schedule was:
Tulane
Howard
USF
Arkansas
UConn
Syracuse
Temple
Kent State (L)
Army
Cinci
Pitt (L)
Louisville (L)

I expected losses to Arkansas and Louisville. I am not sure what other game would be properly penciled in as a loss from that schedule, but I do agree that without a clear talent advantage it is unfair to expect a team to win 10 "should win" games. That is the disadvantage of playing a really weak schedule. Hard to outperfrom, easy to "underperform."

 

[mal359]

Schiano lost to Tulane, Villanova, Temple, never beat WVU, a bad CIncy team, and UNH during his tenure.

Schiano didn't win in the weakened Big East.

Schiano lost more games than Shea and Graber in his first three years; with high-profile recruits.

Clearly the better coach.

 

[Dr. Potato]

"They know that a guy like Schiano is being a hardass because a) he gets off on it and b) he doesn't really know what the F he's doing. Schiano's transparent attempts to play disciplinarian have failed miserably, and all the past write-ups about him whipping the Bucs into shape now look hilarious in retrospect (sorry, Peter Schrager):."

Cabbagehead ...."you sound like an idiot."

It's not coming from me. Watch the linked videos.

What desirable coach waited 3 years to collect the balance of their old contract to start coaching again?

 

[miketd1]

You are what your record says you are. Anecdotally, I think Schiano and Flood are fairly equal in terms of overall record, big wins, and critical losses. The major difference is with the expectations of the fans under each regime. Schiano brought in some highly rated recruits into a weak conference. Further, he had NFL pedigree and statement game under his belt. Meanwhile Flood is a relative unknown leaning on diamonds in the rough and transfers in a big boy conference. But in the end, if you just compare records, you would hardly notice a difference.

 

[fbc1866]

We keep comparing apples to oranges, the two came when Rutgers were in two totally different positions. Both have there positive and negative points. Our coach is Flood and I expect he will be the coach for the next few years. We need to respect that and understand how difficult it is to sell this program right now. But, once he start winning, the program has an unlimited stealing.

 

[hiwater]

Purely speculative opinions on both sides of this argument but logic says the OP is correct. Consensus is that Flood is not a good recruiter. Consensus is that GS had some charisma and star power, characteristics that many posters have said Flood is lacking and needs to improve. GS was a closer, Flood is not. Both QBs had strong ties to Rutgers and would have considered RU regardless of who was the head coach. Therefore Greg would have the same opportunity as Flood to sell to the program and his vision to both recruits. Greg is more charismatic, has star power, had a vision for RU football and is the better closer. Therefore had Greg still been coach there is a higher probability that at least one of the QBs would have committed to RU. Heck it is even more probable that GS would have netted both JG and DH. I rest my case.

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

There is no way GS overcomes the situation withy UA and Haskins dad to get him to come to RU.

With regard to JG, we know that Jim Garantano had told John O when GS was here that, "my son is not going to Rutgers". Jim was almost like a stage mom with regards to involvement in JG's recruitment. He knows GS He knows how much GS F's with the QB's and the O (wild knight). He knows that GS didn't have a QB coach and develop QB's.

Do you honestly believe that GS still could overcome that to get commitments from either Haskins or Garantano let alone both? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. GS's so called star power wasn't landing either of those guys because his infamous history with QB's.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Cabbagehead ...."you sound like an idiot."

It's not coming from me. Watch the linked videos.

What desirable coach waited 3 years to collect the balance of their old contract to start coaching again?

That people in the Tampa area and NFL talking heads criticized a coach is literally meaningless. Have you seen some of the shit they have said about Tom Coughlin? According to pundits and media he was too old and his disciplinarian style would never work...then he won two super bowls, and last year, all the talking heads were convinced the losses were his fault (because he had somehow forgotten how to coach) and were back to wanting him fired. It means nothing. Media and fans always want a coach fired. You sound like an idiot for thinking it means anything at all. How about Saban? He is doing pretty well at Alabama. What did the NFL talking heads say about him? Damn near the same things they said about Greg.


As for Schiano waiting, he is an egomaniac. I could imagine he might be waiting thinking an NFL HC opportunity will open up. A lot of dismal NFL HC's get re-hired. But as for coaching in general, use your head and look at the way Schiano's defenses have performed over the years. You really think he couldn't get a college DC job just about anywhere?? Like I said, my take is that he is enjoying some time away, and will re-emerge as an NFL DC when the right vacancy opens up (read: with an HC he can work with).

 

[RU31trap]

Kyle Flood is a good coach. I truly believe that he loves coaching here at Rutgers and wants nothing but the best for the school and program. Most importantly Rutgers is not a stepping stone for Flood, he would probably coach here for the remainder of his career. I understand fans would like to land high profile recruits, specifically QB's but that's not easy. Is there anything wrong with developing athletes into superstars? Unless I'm mistaken both Boise State or TCU rarely recruit top tier athletes but they still win. You want to spend money? Then spend it on DC, OC and position coaches. No need to tear down anyone on the roster.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

There is no way GS overcomes the situation withy UA and Haskins dad to get him to come to RU.

I've seen this a few places. What is the rumor with Under Armour and Haskins Sr.? Is it coming from anywhere reputable?

 

[hiwater]

I've seen this a few places. What is the rumor with Under Armour and Haskins Sr.? Is it coming from anywhere reputable?

He was hired with a 100k sallary for a job that he IS qualified for. Nothing illegal or wrong about that IMO

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

He was hired with a 100k sallary for a job that he IS qualified for. Nothing illegal or wrong about that IMO

Thanks for the response. I guess this was at Under Armour corporate?

I am not so sure there is nothing wrong with it. If the job was quid pro quo for Haskins committing to Maryland, it is clearly unethical. If Haskins committed to RU and he still gets the job then no, but I am not shiny or new enough to believe that was the case.

 

[RU4]

I'm not sure how people believe Kyle Flood is a good coach. He beat a bunch of nobody's last year and can't recruit. I like Flood and I'm glad he got a chance, but the guy stinks as a recruiter and is a mediocre coach at best.

 

[miketd1]

^^^shots fired^^^

Heck of a first post, btw...

 

[NotInRHouse]

Thanks for the response. I guess this was at Under Armour corporate?

I am not so sure there is nothing wrong with it. If the job was quid pro quo for Haskins committing to Maryland, it is clearly unethical. If Haskins committed to RU and he still gets the job then no, but I am not shiny or new enough to believe that was the case.

I'm not saying it's not possible but it seems really interesting that both of our major QB targets somehow committed in part due to job offers for their fathers.

It this a new phenomenon or is the economy still lagging this much? Just a coincidence?

If it is the case, there's a lot unethical about it. If this happened at RU Politi would be poring over the employment records of anyone who bought a 50/50 ticket.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I'm not saying it's not possible but it seems really interesting that both of our major QB targets somehow committed in part due to job offers for their fathers.

It this a new phenomenon or is the economy still lagging this much? Just a coincidence?

If it is the case, there's a lot unethical about it. If this happened at RU Politi would be poring over the employment records of anyone who bought a 50/50 ticket.

Absolutely agree this smells really dirty. Will Politi dig into this with MD as a matter of journalistic responsibility? (Not meant to be a rhetorical question--but I know it probably is...)

 

[NickKnight 1]

Schiano may have very well landed one of the QB's.

But then he would have taken him off the field on every other play and put our best wide receiver under center to run the wildcat.

Absolutely! Well put. The guy had no receivers except Sanu, only player on the
team that had ever caught a pass. No offensive line. Then he runs off his All American
rookie, then he plays his hippie buddy that had no offers from any other teams. Runs
his only receiver at the wildcrap to trick the others teams. The guy became a joke.
But Robinson liked him ,he was the coach he could beat. Saved his butt from winning
no games. If people here want to believe we need him back, we are wasting our time.

 

[patk89]

I have gone on record a number of times saying that USF may be a good landing position for Greg as a HC if the Bulls give up on Taggart. I personally think that Greg's best coaching days are behind him and a directional FL school or an FIU or FL Atlantic may be a good fit for him. A P5 school's AD is likely to have a difficult time convincing the Boosters that a guy with Greg's track record is the answer for their FB program.

I only brought up the Greg Robinson story to show that even a guy like Robinson can get a DC position at a top school in spite of his HC record, so it's not entirely hopeless for Greg. But I dispute the argument that Greg's track record qualifies him as a DC in a pro or P5 program. He was a DC for two years at Miami 15 years ago and I don't buy the argument that he was the de facto RU DC while on the banks. The fact that he is very disliked by NFL players, coaches and many others associated with the game makes his HC prospects that much more difficult in the future.

Don't get me wrong, I hope that he lands on his feet but I won't be surprised if he remains a stay at home dad a year from now still making breakfast for his kids before school.

Oh my goodness, so his best coaching days were when he was in his late 30's taking over a horrible/dysfunctional RU football program post Shea? You are surely among the crowd who wanted GS fired when he lost to Illinois the 1st game of 2005. Thank goodness our AD had better sense. I saw very steady improvement from his 1st year until 2007. Sure, there were losses, but the margins were getting reduced. 2006 was an aberration but there is no way in hell that Flood takes over after Shea and does anything. You have to understand that.

I love someone throwing in Ricky Santos and UNH. Do they realize who the OC for that team was? Answer, Chip Kelly.

 

[Knightmoves]

patk89,

For the record I was a big Greg fan until 2007 when he started stealing money from RU. Any HC who chose the WildKnight offense as his primary offensive formation when he had an experienced NFL caliber QB in Tom Savage on the bench would be hung in effigy by most fan bases and run out of town on a rail.

Except at RU where we still worship a guy who barely reached .500 in his RU coaching career and won a series of meaningless bowl games against a number of mid major teams. Greg did us a favor when he left us at the altar a few years ago. For that I will always be thankful. At least RU didn't have to pay him severance compensation the way Tampa did.

 

[WhiteBus]

Absolutely! Well put. The guy had no receivers except Sanu, only player on the
team that had ever caught a pass. No offensive line. Then he runs off his All American
rookie, then he plays his hippie buddy that had no offers from any other teams. Runs
his only receiver at the wildcrap to trick the others teams. The guy became a joke.
But Robinson liked him ,he was the coach he could beat. Saved his butt from winning
no games. If people here want to believe we need him back, we are wasting our time.

Wow so it's ok to bash players on the team but not some kid who has not even signed his LOI.

Make sense o_O

 

[RC85]

I'm not saying it's not possible but it seems really interesting that both of our major QB targets somehow committed in part due to job offers for their fathers.

It this a new phenomenon or is the economy still lagging this much? Just a coincidence?

If it is the case, there's a lot unethical about it. If this happened at RU Politi would be poring over the employment records of anyone who bought a 50/50 ticket.

It's not a new phenomenon, Duke's one well-known school that's been doing it in hoops for years, and the SEC schools have and will do it in any sport..Many other ways around it like hiring h.s./AAU coaches, "advisors", etc to funnel benefits to a recruit's family. The point is we need to get with the program and make sure some moms and dads of our recruits start landing nice jobs at J&J.

 

[Kbee3]

"Except at RU where we still worship a guy who barely reached .500 in his RU coaching career and won a series of meaningless bowl games against a number of mid major teams."



That's because of what the status of Rutgers football was when Greg Schiano got here.
Rutgers football was a joke when GS arrived....struggling to compete with Temple as the bum of the East.
It's why Schiano was adored by many Rutgers fans for 8-4 seasons and a bowl game every year.
Maybe the bar is set higher at Ohio State or Alabama. But following Terry Shea's years can make one look like Vince Lombardi in comparison.
And you were expecting national championships ?
Too funny.

 

[WhiteBus]

It is amazing the stupidity on this board.