SEC 10 Teams in AP top 25
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Ohio State plays ONE ranked team the remaining season. ONE. Only ONE.
Arkansas plays 8 ranked teams.
I am not saying that Arkansas is better than Ohio State. But I am saying that they have an easy schedule.
It is what it is.
Let the schedules play out. We shall see at the end of the season.
Still SG....We all know the SEC is good at the top....but THAT GOOD....NOPE. And i like Arky but lets be honest...not too much difference in any PAC5 conference top to bottom.
And at least 2 of those ranked teams will finish the year 6-6.
Thankfully the playoff made the polls obsolete. Win the conference & you're in the top 5. Don't be the conference champion with the worst schedule & you're in the playoff.
SG my friend..hard to play ranked teams when they only want to rank a certain conference, no?
I root for you guys...but 10 teams seems the usual over the top without regard to recent history/results.
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NO CONFERENCE is ten deep in top 25 teams....surprised SG took the bait.....anything over 5 esp this early is bias....
We love you southern but some power ranking list that is heavily subjected to biased opinions to determine strength of schedule only 1 week in... really? When we're at the end of the season and can see how things played out then that will be a valid argument.
LOL The polls are a freaking joke and has always been. This garbage is excepted in the south because it's all these southerners know.
Thats wishful thinking. You are going on a one year sample in which all P5 conference champs had one or fewer losses, and the most recent losers also happened to have the weakest schedules, were co-champs, the better of them had the worse loss of the teams being considered, was unranked at the beginning of the year, and the least name recognition.
In other words - you cant really parse out which factors were most important - conference champion, record, recency of loss, schedule strength, preseason ranking, team history.
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Ranked due to mostly hype not ranked because they did anything to be ranked.
I wasn't too impressed with any SEC team other than Bama after week one.
If that's the case, why doesn't the sec just roll in the bowl games ?
Over hype
Over hype
Well thats easy, because the young lads are disappointed they are not playing for the national championship so they don't play hard in the bowls.
That is what I said: let's see how things play out at the end of the season!
I have always been of the belief that polls are worthless until the 5th game has been completed.
We know quite a few things actually. I pay no attention to the AP poll because the writers bring their personal bias in to the vote. While the coaches poll is not without some degree of bias, I feel it is more trustworthy even if not every coach votes in it.
Again, let the games play out over the season. Some of the highly ranked teams will be lucky to finish .500 or better. And again, the early polls exist only to stimulate conversation about college football. It has achieved that result.
LOL. And all of the ranked teams they play are in the SEC. That actually proves the bias / hype since the Pac-12 has been the best conference the past two seasons. The truth is that Arkansas' schedule is probably a little more difficult than Ohio State's.
It's not that hard to believe when ESPN employees control 60% of the vote and we all know who bankrolls the SEC.
well said....I too was thinking at least 2 of these 'ranked SEC' teams will finish with luck around 6-6. Week 1 results are hardly telling one way or another for such glaring praise.
At one time didn't the polls start in week 5 or 6? That is what should happen.. wait 5-6 weeks before even asking coaches or writers to rank teams. Same thing for the stupid Sagarin ratings... don't even publish them until the formula has a significant amount of data. Each college team loses roughly 20-25% of its players every year.
Pretending anyone can predict the results of this is ridiculous.
I'd much rather see rankings based on a prediction market where the voters have to put money up behind the number of wins they think their team will end up with. You think the SEC has 10 of the Top 25 sewed up? Put money on that.
The BCS polls used to start in mid-October and when they switched to the Harris Poll, they also started that later. But it doesnt matter, because someone is going to produce a preseason poll and ESPN or whoever will use it, because people like numbers in front of teams names, even if they are more or less meaningless.
Prediction markets are ggreat when you have people betting large amounts of money, but what you would see is alot of SEC fans willing to lose relatively small amounts of money to make their teams look better. A similar thing happened with John McCain on intrade in 2008 - he repeatedly got boosted up there by a single guy, because the markets arent liquid enough, and then the press would report the figure making John McCain look better than he was doing (edit: it might have been Romney actually in 2012. Either way, the point was that someone manipulated the relative low cap intrade prediction market for PR purposes.)
In fact, dont we already have this - in essence isnt the Vegas, odds to win the championship exactly what you want.
To be fair to Sagarin - there actually is a fair amount of prediction capacity just from last years results, and probably even more if you do what Sagarin does and has a weighted average of the previous few years.
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Perfect example of this bs in the AP poll. Miss state and BYU were both unranked to start the season. Miss state beat southern Miss. BYU beat Nebraska. Guess which team is ranked 25. If you guess Miss state, you are correct. I know Miss state started the year higher, but give me a break. Tenn and Arkansas should not be ranked that high. Both are quality teams, but haven't proven anything yet. They remind me of Minnesota. All good teams expected to improve this year, but because Minnesota is not in the SEC, they don't get votes. The SEC is not that good.
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I predict Miss State will beat LSU at Miss State this weekend. I also predict Oklahoma will beat Tennessee at Tennessee this weekend. Arkansas should handle Toledo, but you never know.
Minnesota showed some strength and will crack top 25 soon, I imagine. But Rutgers should also move into the top 25 over the next few weeks as well. If Arkansas loses, Arkansas will fall out, If Tennessee loses, Tennessee will also fall out. If LSU loses, they will drop to 25 but not fall out. they are too overrated to begin with.
I also think Bama and Baylor both are overrated. Good teams for sure, but not Top 4 teams. Auburn struggled against Louisville and Bobby Petrino. So I am thinking Auburn may have an issue or two as well.
It is way early for polls. Some coaches/writers may vote early, and often!
I only started this thread to show the bias involved by many around the country. Once your in the top twenty five that stigma lasts the whole year. If say Tennessee should go on to crap the bed from here on out, whenever they play they will be known as a former top25 team. This leads people to the conclusion whoever beats them must be really good. With 10 teams in it to start the hype machine has been set in place for the whole year. You already have coaches (Bulimia and Spurrier) championing this cause. It does matter where you start in these polls from a perception point. Because now it's a lot harder to fall than rise for the SEC. While other conferences will have a tough time gaining respect and will have to do it by winning not just hype.
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Preseason polls will never ever ever go away. You're kidding yourselves if you think there will ever be an unbiased system for early season stuff. Thank god for the playoffs.
"I have always been of the belief that polls are worthless until the 5th game has been completed."
Does anyone seriously believe the SEC would have 10 teams in the Top 25 if rankings did not start until week 5? I don't.
At THIS MOMENT, it would appear as if Ohio State only faces one ranked team all season. That makes a lot of sense when one conference has nearly half of the ranked teams. It's VERY LIKELY that another Big Ten team or two will be ranked during the year. It's almost always wrong to assume the Top 25 pre-season or week 2 rankings will have any bearing on the final rankings. All it takes is for a team that traditionally hasn't been a powerhouse to get a win or two against big names or ranked opponents to change the landscape dramatically. Likewise, how do we know a team like TCU that was expected to be ultra strong will have the season the experts expected? There are always 3-4 teams which people expected to be good to have down years.
Somehow, I seriously doubt the SEC would ever go for a plan to eliminate the first 5 weeks of Top 25 rankings... The conference has benefited from it far too much to ever seek a change.
Does anyone seriously believe the SEC would have 10 teams in the Top 25 if rankings did not start until week 5? I don't.
At THIS MOMENT, it would appear as if Ohio State only faces one ranked team all season. That makes a lot of sense when one conference has nearly half of the ranked teams. It's VERY LIKELY that another Big Ten team or two will be ranked during the year. It's almost always wrong to assume the Top 25 pre-season or week 2 rankings will have any bearing on the final rankings. All it takes is for a team that traditionally hasn't been a powerhouse to get a win or two against big names or ranked opponents to change the landscape dramatically. Likewise, how do we know a team like TCU that was expected to be ultra strong will have the season the experts expected? There are always 3-4 teams which people expected to be good to have down years.
Somehow, I seriously doubt the SEC would ever go for a plan to eliminate the first 5 weeks of Top 25 rankings... The conference has benefited from it far too much to ever seek a change.
The SEC has zero control over either the AP poll or the Coaches poll. AP and coaches poll and whatever else poll exist in the early season to promote themselves and their product by using college football teams.
Hopefully, all of us are aware that the polls are actually meaningless at this point in time other than to stir up discussion and rile the fan bases.
It seems that tactic has worked.
Last year at this time, the SEC had 4 teams in the Top 10 and 8 teams in the Top 25.
At the end of the season, the SEC had 2 teams in the Top 10 and 6 teams in the Top 25.
At the end of the season, the SEC had 2 teams in the Top 10 and 6 teams in the Top 25.
We could win 5 straight to start the season, but thanks to Penn State's loss to Temple, we will not be ranked by anyone. After that we face tOSU. Begining that week the wins and losses will tend to alternate. In my most optimistic season scenario (9-3) I do not see us being ranked this year.
I'm not saying Ohio State's schedule isn't easier, but all the ranked teams...self-fulfilling prophecy. SEC teams are highly ranked because they beat SEC teams who are highly ranked. And those SEC teams are highly ranked because they beat other SEC teams who are highly ranked. And those SEC teams are highly ranked because...well, you get the picture.
Go look at South Carolina, Texas A&M and Mississippi State last year. South Carolina begins the season highly ranked and gets curb stomped by A&M, who then jumps up to the top 10. Then they get beat soundly by Mississippi State who jumps all the way to #2 for beating A&M...never mind that South Carolina and A&M finished a combined 13-11 in the regular season.
Or Missouri. Jesus, Missouri. They lost to Indiana, at home. And they fell allllllllll the way down to 26th. They were unranked one week after losing at home to Indiana, then back in the top 25 because they beat the same aforementioned and exceedingly mediocre South Carolina team.
And everyone will have to excuse me if I don't think Mississippi State and Tennessee have done jack all to get ranked this year. I guess I'm not as blown away as the polls are by winning by 18 over a 3-9 C-USA team or giving up 500+ yards to Bowling Green.
Also, Ohio State also can't play themselves. Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State...they all have tougher conference schedules than Ohio State does because they have to play Ohio State.
Great example.....anyone who knows CFB knows BYU deserved the jump.....since when does a win over directional Miss rate more than shocker over B1G school and national brand Nebraska.
His point is that they are in fact meaningful because they influence preceptions throughout the rest of the season. How often do you see a graphic that is a list of top 25 teams a team beat this year, ignoring that some of those teams have since dropped (somtimes FAR) out of the top 25.
Its the feedback nature that provides the meaning.
The article is wrong SEC have 11 in the top 25 see below!
Hell SEC got 5 out of the top 10 in arrests over the last five years. NOW, that is bragging rights.
Southern Gentleman your boys need more thugs to get up into the top 10
But Rutgers should get a mega jump maybe even break the top 25, with our "Drug Raiders".
Hell the "RU 5" Raiders should get a medal from the NBPD for putting the hurt on so many drug dealers!
Hell SEC got 5 out of the top 10 in arrests over the last five years. NOW, that is bragging rights.
Southern Gentleman your boys need more thugs to get up into the top 10
But Rutgers should get a mega jump maybe even break the top 25, with our "Drug Raiders".
Hell the "RU 5" Raiders should get a medal from the NBPD for putting the hurt on so many drug dealers!
- Washington State =31 arrests
- Florida=24 arrests #1SEC
- Georgia=22 arrests #2SEC
- Texas A&M=22 arrests #3SEC
- Oklahoma =21 arrests
- Iowa State= 20 arrests
- Missouri=20 arrests #4SEC
- Ole Miss=20 arrests #5SEC
- WVU=20 arrests
- FSU= 19 arrests
- Tennessee=19 arrests #6SEC
- Alabama=18 arrests #7SEC
- Iowa=18 arrests, Way to go Iowa first B1G team
- Kentucky=18 arrests #8 SEC
- LSU=16 arrests #9SEC
- Marshall=16 arrests
- Oregon State=16 arrests
- Pittsburgh=16 arrests
- Arkansas= 14 arrests #10 SEC
- MICHIGAN=14 arrests YES the pride of the Big Ten
- Oklahoma state=14 arrests
- Purdue=14 arrests
- Auburn=13 arrests #11SEC
- Colorado=13 arrests
- Kansas=13 arrests
LOL, most of the Iowa arrests were MIP, or public intox. Not a good thing but hardly thug-like. Would love to see the breakdown of what the arrests are for. Obviously things like sexual assault, drugs, assaults, break ins are worse than being drunk in college.
Had seven in the Top 25 heading into bowl season:
Ohio State 42 Bama 35
Ga. Tech 49 Miss St 34
TCU 43 Ole Miss 3
Georgia 37 Louisville 14
Missou 33 Minnesota 17
Wisconsin 34 Auburn 31
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28
Went 2-5. Shocking!
Ohio State 42 Bama 35
Ga. Tech 49 Miss St 34
TCU 43 Ole Miss 3
Georgia 37 Louisville 14
Missou 33 Minnesota 17
Wisconsin 34 Auburn 31
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28
Went 2-5. Shocking!
I agree that the SEC is always overhyped to the point of stupidity. That said, what teams do you replace them with as of right now?
The B1G really has nothing to complain about after its week 1 losses. Maybe Northwestern?
Same goes for the PAC, with Stanford and ASU losses. ASU dropped a bit far, but they did get thumped by unranked A&M. Don't think A&M deserved to leap that far, though, so SEC bias there.
Agree about BYU over Miss State, but the 25th spot will always be contentious. Seems like a lot of those SEC spots are defaults from other conferences' losses as much as SEC bias. You can't really keep 0-1 teams in there.
Others suggestions?
The B1G really has nothing to complain about after its week 1 losses. Maybe Northwestern?
Same goes for the PAC, with Stanford and ASU losses. ASU dropped a bit far, but they did get thumped by unranked A&M. Don't think A&M deserved to leap that far, though, so SEC bias there.
Agree about BYU over Miss State, but the 25th spot will always be contentious. Seems like a lot of those SEC spots are defaults from other conferences' losses as much as SEC bias. You can't really keep 0-1 teams in there.
Others suggestions?
YES that is where it shows in bowl games, were team are matched up by "RANKING" the ESPiN padded the SEC and over sold them the great and mighty SEC fell flat back where they belong.
Parity is a word that ESPiN refuses to use, especially when speaking of the SEC
If you have TCU in the top 5, Minnesota is a top 25 team right now. Same goes for Alabama and Wisconsin. Wisconsin wasn't great, but they're a 22-25 team right now. BYU was more impressive than Mississippi State. Ditto Northwestern.
And of course you can keep 0-1 teams in there. The coaches have Wisconsin in. Last year after week 1 you had Wisconsin, South Carolina and Clemson ranked at 0-1.
And now, the REST of the story(with apologies to Paul Harvey, may he Rest In Peace),
The rest of the SEC that played in bowl games and was unranked at the time of their bowl game. went 5-0. Thus the SEC ended 7-5 for the bowl games. Not great at all, but certainly not horrible either.
I am not looking at stats from the previous year but I think the SEC went 9-3 in bowl games the previous year. If I am wrong, I am certain to be corrected.
Perhaps parity is coming closer to fruition? B1G, Pac, SEC all have strong teams. I think the gang of 13 will help sort out this mess soon enough.
And coaches have no bias? And that's forgetting the ones that just tell their SID to fill out the ballot ...
Agree completely and every year people complain about the early season polls. The only thing more useless than early season polls are the pre-season polls. I'm sure everyone remembers in 2007 or 8 when RU was ranked in the pre-season poll and was awful early on.
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