Second investigation involving Flood launched
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He'd have to be the biggest idiot in the world if he sought to lobby for grades for a guy who he knew was suspected of a felony. That sounds really far fetched. Something tells me that Flood knew nothing about these arrests, but if he did, I'd fire him on the spot. The idiots who allegedly committed the crimes have been suspended indefinitely. That's the right response, but it would never have happened at a football factory. I ca really blame Flood for the missteps of his players. He'll be judged by how well he deals with this adversity and whether he can successfully emphasize a zero tolerance policy for this kind of crap.
Wait a minute ...so Flood is being investigated for possibly maybe knowing something about some part of this?
But - "In a third home invasion, Johnson and Boggs were charged with robbery, conspiracy to commit armed robbery, and attempted burglary while armed for trying to force their way into another student's room in a dormitory complex at Livingston College in Piscataway on May 5, 2015."
Wouldn't Rutgers campus security know more about this ? How would Flood know?
But - "In a third home invasion, Johnson and Boggs were charged with robbery, conspiracy to commit armed robbery, and attempted burglary while armed for trying to force their way into another student's room in a dormitory complex at Livingston College in Piscataway on May 5, 2015."
Wouldn't Rutgers campus security know more about this ? How would Flood know?
Yeah this makes no sense. The police knew. Why or how would Flood know? And if he did, what does it matter because clearly they were already under investigation. Flood couldn't have done anything to impact the situation. Unless police questioned him, which they would have no reason to. And certainly didn't. This is weird.
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if you think they've been looking for a reason to fire him, then you also know they have to be looking for the money to replace him.. you might want to rethink that.
Everyone please stop with the innocent until proven guilty stuff.
I'm certain the Bill of Rights wasn't written to protect a football player's scholarship.
I'm certain the Bill of Rights wasn't written to protect a football player's scholarship.
Why wouldn't they do an investigation? Everyone seemed to have been caught off guard so they need to identify where things broke down.
Right now it has nothing to do with Flood.
If anything it's learn as you go with Flood since it's his first go-around as HC.
It's silly to jump to conclusions with his culpability.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way the SL is approaching it.
Right now it has nothing to do with Flood.
If anything it's learn as you go with Flood since it's his first go-around as HC.
It's silly to jump to conclusions with his culpability.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way the SL is approaching it.
Everything is a conspiracy to fire Flood that reaches across the university and even to local police departments or Flood is a f×ck up, you decide.
That news paper asked Flood a week ago if there was a possible discipline problem, we all were pissed off.
Floods answer was "I do not" "I'm proud of the way this team has gone about their business"
Really?
Make no mistake it applies to 95% of the team, but it's a strange answer in light of the fact we've established he had some awareness of the investigation.
Floods answer was "I do not" "I'm proud of the way this team has gone about their business"
Really?
Make no mistake it applies to 95% of the team, but it's a strange answer in light of the fact we've established he had some awareness of the investigation.
Exactly. At the point he found out, there were no charges.
How do you suspend a player who could have no charges filed against them? I get you suspend a player who has serious charges against them.
As long as he told Hermann about it, what more should he have done?
The RU administration sucks. I would have nothing to do with Rutgers if it were not for sports. I will always support athletics, but other than that, I am done with Rutgers.
Holy shit.
So any of you people have jobs?
You're "innocent until proven guilty" IN A FUKKING COURT OF LAW.
That's it. It doesn't apply anywhere else.
I won't hold coach speak against him, what else can he say, but knowing some kids could possibly be in some real trouble must have been eating away at him knowing how hard he has tried to instill integrity in these kids, and like you say, he has, in 95% of them.
Wasn't Jameis Winston under investigation for sexual assault the year they won the championship. Granted that was butchered from the beginning, but you can't suspend a guy based on speculation. They were arrested or charged until yesterday. Stop giving the media what they want. Why does it matter if Flood did or did not know? As egregious as these charges are, I don't think you suspend them until the charges are official. He might not even been told who the players were
Well aware of where Innocent until proven guilty applies. What's your point? Are you saying Flood should have suspended all the players being investigated as soon as he found out about it?
this is the wrong time to fire a coach. The day before the season would be horrible and would basically mean you are giving up on the season before it starts.
It is better to run a slow investigation that goes through October. This way you can announce Flood being fired or not returning for the 2016 season when the team knows where they stand after 8 games.
Norfolk State - likely win 1-0
Wash St - tough game that can go either way 2-0 or 1-1
Penn St - will be tough to win 2-1 or 1-2
Kansas - should win 3-1 or 2-2
Mich St - likely loss 3-2 or 2-3
Indiana - tough game that can go either way 4-2 or 2-4
Ohio St - likely loss 4-3 or 2-5
Wisconsin - likely loss 4-4 or 2-6
Wisconsin is the Oct 31 game. The optimistic likely view has us at 4-4 with Michigan, Nebraska, Army, and Maryland left. The pessimistic view has us at 2-6. If we are 2-6 Flood can be dismissed right then and there. At 4-4 with Army and Maryland as winnable games and Michigan as a game we may have a chance then you may not be able to fire Flood until the end of the season.
It is better to run a slow investigation that goes through October. This way you can announce Flood being fired or not returning for the 2016 season when the team knows where they stand after 8 games.
Norfolk State - likely win 1-0
Wash St - tough game that can go either way 2-0 or 1-1
Penn St - will be tough to win 2-1 or 1-2
Kansas - should win 3-1 or 2-2
Mich St - likely loss 3-2 or 2-3
Indiana - tough game that can go either way 4-2 or 2-4
Ohio St - likely loss 4-3 or 2-5
Wisconsin - likely loss 4-4 or 2-6
Wisconsin is the Oct 31 game. The optimistic likely view has us at 4-4 with Michigan, Nebraska, Army, and Maryland left. The pessimistic view has us at 2-6. If we are 2-6 Flood can be dismissed right then and there. At 4-4 with Army and Maryland as winnable games and Michigan as a game we may have a chance then you may not be able to fire Flood until the end of the season.
Exactly. If they were involved in an active criminal investigation, they should have been suspended pending the outcome. It's a privilege to play Division 1 college football on scholarship, not a right
The issue that Flood faces is did he let his boss know that they were being investigated. This of course depends on if he himself knew they were being investigated. He has a duty to disclose per his contract
This is so obvious to me. I'm not sure why this even debatable.
And again, these are serious felony charges. We're not talking about a panty raid or palming some steaks at Shop Rite...
On these boards, I stay quiet, read, learn and move on ... in the old forums, I popped up once in a blue moon, but I have to chime in here. I am a lawyer. I work in DC (the land of perception) and I am calling foul. These kids signed a contract and in it, there are stipulations on behavior, impacting the school reputation, and clear rules about being on the right side of the law. Being involved in a criminal investigation breaks it! The school has every right to suspend them immediately! They should. There in no "innocent until proven guilty" here. There is only actions and impacts. And those kids were at least close enough to criminal actions, that they are all painted with a broad brush.
I'm very much inclined to not wait that long. For one thing, these are indictable offenses. As Hudson pointed out, this is some serious shit. These guys are on the team - and on scholarship - at the pleasure of the school. If they are under investigation for serious felonies they should be suspended pending the outcome of that investigation, formal charges or not.
If Julie or the administration thinks Flood should have suspended the kids during the investigation..shouldn't Flood himself be suspended now due to RU's investigation? I get its two totally different scenarios, but I don't think you suspend someone while an investigation is going on. Once the results are out, you suspend.
Yeah.... Because writing an email and sticking a gun in somebody's face are exactly the same things.
I swear, if people on this board don't start actually learning how to think then there's really no point to any of this.
