Why does is it appear our own fan base is relishing in Leonte Caroo's legal troubles?... here is a guy who has been relatively squeaky clean and no legal issues prior to this incident...most fans weren't anywhere near the altercation nor saw anything and yet , they support the victims account as gospel...I'm not sure about these videos posted but it does sound strange...Her lawyer doesn't show at the initial Family Court hearing?...seems like she needs a new guy...if Caroo did " picked me up and body slammed to the ground" ...then he should punished accordingly but what if he's found innocent ?
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I'm not seeing our fan base relishing anything right now....This is terrible if he did what he is being accused of doing and almost as terrible if he was falsely accused.
Lots of relishing on both sides.
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Yeah, for all the complaints about the media and government, R "loyal fans" are as quick to jump over each other to sh2t on RU as any outsider.
Look at the Best Bars thread ... RU gets some positive media attention, however trivial, and more people arguing it then just being happy for something other than manufactured scandal and police blotter attention.
Look at the Best Bars thread ... RU gets some positive media attention, however trivial, and more people arguing it then just being happy for something other than manufactured scandal and police blotter attention.
I don't know a single person "relishing" in the fact that a seemingly GREAT kid, and arguably one of the best WR's in the nation, with a great future ahead of him, playing for OUR school, MAY be in trouble with the law.
What I do see, however, are discussions going on, back-and-forth, about a most very unfortunate incident that has occurred involving said student-athletic, in the wake of a whole lot of other shit, and with multiple stories, of which a group of people are trying to "hash things out" without having been there to see ALL of the events go down.
What I do see, however, are discussions going on, back-and-forth, about a most very unfortunate incident that has occurred involving said student-athletic, in the wake of a whole lot of other shit, and with multiple stories, of which a group of people are trying to "hash things out" without having been there to see ALL of the events go down.
Nuts, gotta disagree. As someone who isn't taking a position other than the lawful presumption of innocence before being proven guilty (our law), there is a lot relishing going on. It seems like someone people would rather have him convicted and be right, then be exonerated and be wrong. It is embarrassing, to be honest.
It goes without saying, whatever turns out to be true, there is going to be helluva a lot of crow to eat one way or the other with a number of people. I am amazed that people would take sides on this issue, regardless of what they think they may have heard. This goes both ways.
We will see what happens, and when we do, I hope people that have clearly put themselves in a box have the balls to admit they were wrong.
I see it has more to do with most people playing lawyer or detective. I don't see anyone relishing this.
Agree. A lot of people who heard the poor poor "victim's" side of the story as truth would rather be right than see Caroo be cleared.
All this talk of relish made me realize it is has been awhile since I have been to Rutt's Hut.
Speaking for myself, I make light of bad situations.
Also, generally speaking, I have a philosophical problem with ideologues--political or sports.
Guys who always side with the program, even in the face of kids robbing people at hammer point, fundamentally annoys me. So, I chime in.
Last, guilty or innocent in a court of law doesn't matter. LC, a team captain, put his personal life before his brothers, his program and his university. He can never un-ring that bell in my eyes. Maybe that makes me a tough grader. Maybe, undoubtedly, he doesn't give a crap what I think, but that's just the way it is for me. I certainly hope he's innocent. But I'll never view him the same after the events of the last month.
In the words of Bo...
THE TEAM...THE TEAM...THE TEAM
Also, generally speaking, I have a philosophical problem with ideologues--political or sports.
Guys who always side with the program, even in the face of kids robbing people at hammer point, fundamentally annoys me. So, I chime in.
Last, guilty or innocent in a court of law doesn't matter. LC, a team captain, put his personal life before his brothers, his program and his university. He can never un-ring that bell in my eyes. Maybe that makes me a tough grader. Maybe, undoubtedly, he doesn't give a crap what I think, but that's just the way it is for me. I certainly hope he's innocent. But I'll never view him the same after the events of the last month.
In the words of Bo...
THE TEAM...THE TEAM...THE TEAM
Pure conjecture. I think it's pretty safe to say we'd all be happy if Leonte IS innocent and he IS cleared of charges.
I would have to have a lot more information, not from someone who claims to know, but how the case is ultimately decided, before I would take such a stance. But that's just me.
What if game 1 was against OSU and we were, perish the though, expected to be competitive? Your team captain misses curfew? That is strike 1.
He was instructed to remain in the building. Period. Full Stop. Even if we buy the argument that his people were in fear for their lives--which I don't but ok--why is he putting himself in the situation to begin with? He's about to become a multi millionaire. In one mock draft he's a 1st round pick. Why is HE breaking up a fight? where is the judgement?
There are 15,000 chicks on that campus. He has to cheat with one that he knows he and his family will see 8 Saturdays in the Fall?
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Eh, I think it's safe to say that the whole e-mail/deceit/don't-obey-what-I'm-told-to-do thing, would be the "focal point" here.
Flood is getting fired if Johnny Cochrane rises form the dead and wiggles a parking cone with LC's DNA on it and is able to prove that the side piece hit him with it.
Totally irrelevant to Flood's status.
The other jokers are different. He has some responsibility when an emerging criminal enterprise is festering in his locker room. But he has no responsibility for LC's actions.
Flood will be fired for going 4-8 and for a variety of compliance issues.
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And Mommy's documented injuries are what, exactly?
See, I read a report and in it, the only documented injuries are sustained by the girl.
But I guess anything is possible...
geez guys i'm just making up my own conspiracy theory[smoke]
Ray Rice Effect. When your golden boy, the last guy you would ever think would do a terrible thing, is caught on cctv decking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body out of an elevator it's hard for you not to take a jaundiced view when other similar events take place.
Hey, all I'm saying if I'm told somebody is putting their hands on Mom's e5 I'm leaving the building and letting it burn. LOL
I'm totally with you on the curfew thing and if it was just a catfight thing and he was being stupid.
But you hear your mom is possibly in trouble and you don't react in some way? I want to be at your Thanksgiving table and hear her reaction when you tell her "Sorry Ma, you're on your own." LOL
I didn't say that...lol
And I was never a captain at Navy or a projected first round pick. lol.
And in my line of work, tuning people up was generally viewed as a positive. :)
I hear what you're saying...I just always wish for better judgement from guys that I have a lot of respect for. LC was one of those guys. And you know how hard it is for me to write that with him being a Bosco guy?
That's really the problem right now. As much as I like Julie and think she will do a fine job if ever given the chance, I almost hope at this point for us to clean house. KF and JH, for various reasons (some inarguably of their own making) have just become so incredibly divisive for the fan base. Even before the recent events, most fans had incredibly strong feelings one way or the other as to whether each of them should stay or go. As a result, every little thing that happens triggers a debate about whether each is any good or whether they should be fired. No middle ground. Nothing would be good enough for some, nothing bad enough for others.
I have consistently tried to defend fairness, and letting things play out, but it seems like no matter what happens, everyone wants to make even the smallest negative a cause for firing. Every decision is evidence of utter incompetence. At this point, even if it is unfair, I cannot help but hope for a clean start, so that the fan base could hopefully be more united by their successors.
In reality, I suspect this season is the end of KF, but not Julie. Julie will then have a chance to hire a head football coach, which will be a very large opportunity for her. If she can line up the donors to make a big move, I am hopeful it will go along way toward changing people's minds about her. An AD who will have proved her worth, and a fresh start with a new football staff. Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of this. The pessimist in me fears that even with a fresh start, our fan base may not be capable of uniting around anything regardless of circumstances. And this is one of our biggest problems. Maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised, but it's still Jersey and all that.......
Even worse for the rest of us in the thread if he was a SPP guy. You'd be all Harm like on JAG. LOL
Remember, the two of us have to think of the big picture ALL the time. Not everybody at that age (especially the extenuating circumstances of family possibly being involved) is able to make that right decision all the time. Did you think maybe a little differently as 1st Classman than after being commissioned, BUDS and being in charge for a few years?
Sure there's a small element that this would apply to.
I hope most clear thinking people will let the law do their job and withhold judgment till it is done.
That will always be the case.
As others have said on here time after time...
We win the NC and SOMEBODY will still complain. It's what we do.
Well sure. But the obvious difference is when you screwed up, there was no quarter given.
We hem and haw over these kids like they're gonna break.
I was at Navy in the midst of the Electrical Engineering exam cheating scandal. Imagine being a senior and getting expelled and the entire brigade lining up and turning their back on you as you walked off the yard in total disgrace. After you were an exceptional student, leader and athlete. After you invested 4 years of your life and were planning on making a career out of the Navy. And imagine being handed a bill for your education on the way out.
It's different worlds. But I do see your point.
WTH is the world coming to? I'm finding myself agreeing w/everything Cali wrote in this thread
True. I am positively afraid of what happens if Julie hires a head football coach without making a splash. Like if she were to hire Golden, Diaco, or one of the re-treads whose name gets thrown around here and generally has mixed reviews. Then 50% of the fan base would never get behind the new coach from day 1, would view it as damning evidence of Julie's incompetence, argue that both should be fired, etc.
I think I will stop participating on this website if that happens...it would just be unbearable. I sincerely hope she hires either a high dollar coach that is hard to argue with, or if the money isn't there, an exciting prospect who the fans will have to give at least a couple years to.
There are some fans that appear to never leave the board. They just go over and over the same things. This is not healthy for anyone.
My simple minded opinion was that even a neutral post saying that we should let this thing play out to find out what actually happened was treated by some as looking the other way because he is our star WR. When the report came out about the body slamming on pavement and hospitalization of the victim, some acted like this confirmed their initial views and seemed almost pleased. Now we are just starting to hear the other side of things. There were tons of witnesses (I'm sure that don't agree on what they saw) so the truth will come out. Carroo should have stayed in the Hale Center. Horrible decision to go out and become involved. He probably thought he could break things up but that was asking for trouble. It is very likely he pushed the victim away and she fell on pavement causing mild injuries. The police on the scene arrested him. However, it is highly unlikely that Carroo lifted her off the ground and slammed her on the pavement based on the extent of the injuries. His current girlfriend and mother will undoubtedly accuse the victim of starting the fight. We'll hear their side of things soon. Hopefully some clear minded neutral witnesses will be available to give this view on how this disaster played out.
When WE screw up there is no injured reserve or PUP list. Only if we're very lucky. LOL
* Knew of a guy in AFROTC in college at Princeton (RU and PU used to share the same Detachment) who gave a "negative" commissioning statement upon his graduation from Old Nassau. The Air Force said, "No problem bro...but you're going where we say you're going as an Airman until your tuition is paid back." LOL
Yep. He must have not gotten the memo at the end of his sophomore year that spells out if you continue on a free boat, you owe 5 years or a boatload of dough...lol
Exactly my point Caliknight...at any other P-5 school a star player like Carroo , who up to this point was a model citizen and student athlete would be defended until all was verified, Here at Rutgers some alums and fans had him GUILTY ...and yes , he still may be ...I loved the comment in another post which said something along these lines...Well, if it's true... throw him out and if he's found innocent and absolved it's no big deal...That's coming through very loud and clear...the majority on this board have him already guilty as charged...I guess if he's innocent a lot of retractions will be forthcoming.
