Take a Good Look at this Flood Controversy

[graystork]

Whether he did something wrong or not, one thing stands out to me. Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades. There still is a scholar in scholar-athlete at Rutgers. As much as this is a pain in the ass for the football program, there's something here that makes me just a little bit prouder of my state university.

 

[RUBOB72]

We have arrived as a program and controversy is sometimes a good thing to rally around...I got a kick out of the bleeding media hearts all giving their take on his admission of guilt...
Yes alcohol and pills don't mix Steve...already the media is in a forgiving mode in California...if this was Flood the news media would have held a crucification or burning at the stake outside
the Hale center...

 

[jiggscasey]

I love how this kind of little thing at Rutgers ends up being a bigger than a coach who tried to get a hardship waiver for a known abuser of women and then tried to cover up a rape the player committed. Priorities guys. Priorities.

 

[RU4Real]

Whether he did something wrong or not, one thing stands out to me. Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades. There still is a scholar in scholar-athlete at Rutgers. As much as this is a pain in the ass for the football program, there's something here that makes me just a little bit prouder of my state university.

This post makes the assumption that Flood tried to "bulldoze professors into giving away grades".

Nothing of the sort is either alleged or proven.

 

[RUCookie]

Love how the national media grabs all of NJ.com's hype and blows this stuff up. RU controversy - Coach asks about a student grade. Another school = assault, DWIs or worse... yet, they are equal in the eyes of sports reporters.

 

[RU4Real]

Love how the national media grabs all of NJ.com's hype and blows this stuff up. RU controversy - Coach asks about a student grade. Another school = assault, DWIs or worse... yet, they are equal in the eyes of sports reporters.

This isn't accidental. Sargent was waiting for a slow news day. He's been sitting on this story for a while. That sort of thing is pretty commonplace.

 

[S_Janowski]

Pump the breaks buddy.

 

[CERU00]

This post makes the assumption that Flood tried to "bulldoze professors into giving away grades".

Nothing of the sort is either alleged or proven.

Seriously. Really love how our so many fans assume the worst.

 

[RUInsanity]

The issue seems to be that the fan bases and community around other Schools downplay the small sh!t (and in some cases even the large/ egregious sh1t as well). The NJ Community and RU Fanbase is so diverse in it's opinions that a significant portion eat even the smallest sh!t up and run with it as if their lives depended on a coach getting fired at all costs.

 

[j10oreo]

This post makes the assumption that Flood tried to "bulldoze professors into giving away grades".

Nothing of the sort is either alleged or proven.

I don't necessarily think he's claiming that's what Flood did, I believe he's stating at least we know how serious RU would take it if we had coaches that did try to work the academic system hypothetically speaking.

 

[Abro1975]

Agreed Graystork. Compare how RU handles a most likely minor issue , with Baylor covering up a Violent Abuser for over a year, and then Art Briles saying what he did. RU however should have gotten out in front of this story a week ago, rather than waiting for someone to leak it the media.

Whether he did something wrong or not, one thing stands out to me. Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades. There still is a scholar in scholar-athlete at Rutgers. As much as this is a pain in the ass for the football program, there's something here that makes me just a little bit prouder of my state university.

 

[KingHigh]

It depends on what is in the email. If it is, 'can he earn extra credit if he gives a report on Hamlet' then I think this is a non-story. Of course, it still seems to be an infraction of some sort, if direct contact between HC and faculty is in fact prohibited. If so, good for RU for investigating and correcting the behavior internally. We set ourselves apart in this manner and attract more people of integrity rather than the type of twisted people who are compelled to align with ttfp, for example.

 

[srru86]

Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter.

Another difference is their faculties are not represented by a union, particularly not ours that is looking to blame tuition hikes on the athletic department.

 

[RU4Real]

I don't necessarily think he's claiming that's what Flood did, I believe he's stating at least we know how serious RU would take it if we had coaches that did try to work the academic system hypothetically speaking.

He said:

This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades.

If what he meant was what you said, then he needs to re-take Expos 101.

 

[j10oreo]

haha fair enough.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

haha fair enough.

IF there is a clear rule that coaches are NOT to contact professors, then why did Flood violate this rule? He brought this on himself.

 

[Caliknight]

Rutgers athletics seems to be always fighting with a hand behind it back. Lack of funding, professors who run to the media over nothing, the media who is looking to snap at a moments notice, the PC decisions that get made from within the university...no one said it was going to be easy.

 

[DaveSNJ]

Whether he did something wrong or not, one thing stands out to me. Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades. There still is a scholar in scholar-athlete at Rutgers. As much as this is a pain in the ass for the football program, there's something here that makes me just a little bit prouder of my state university.

Problem is you sound like you already know what happened. I don't think there was any bulldozing going on. This is more media (local that is) run amuck. And yes you would not see this at most other schools because this was so insignificant its not worth the time. UNC has been faking classes for over a decade - coaches, students and professors knew this for some time. All UNC did was deny deny deny. At RU what is our fan base doing already throwing the coach under the bus because he asked a simple question. Give me a fing break.

This is exactly why RU will never enjoy being one of the premier programs in the country. Because there is very little support from the University.

 

[REDRICH65]

Glad to have you back, Stork. Posts always thoughful, sensible and enjoyable.

 

[graystork]

Christ can you guys read? The point is that Rutgers' policy doesn't allow coaches to bulldoze profs for grades. I did not say or even infer that this is what Flood did. That's simply what the policy is meant to prevent. And I don't personally believe he did either. Flood is a teacher. In fact he taught my nephew at St. Francis Prep in Queens. Football AND English. Flood thinks of himself as a teacher. This sounds to me like he thought he was just reaching out to a fellow faculty member. NOT that he was trying to influence a grade. Look at Flood's statements. He probably was just asking if there was any way Barnwell could improve his grade. Not bulldozing in my book.

Thanks Rich. But some of the responses here explain why I rarely bother anymore.

 

[Upstream]

The point is that Rutgers' policy doesn't allow coaches to bulldoze profs for grades. I did not say or even infer that this is what Flood did. That's simply what the policy is meant to prevent.

However, I don't think Rutgers is unique in this policy. Many (and probably most) other D1 schools have similar policies. If it weren't for the SL writing an article about this, no one would ever know that Flood possibly violated any policies. This is the type of thing that would be handled internally, unless it required more than a slap on the wrist and additional training.

While it is certainly good that Rutgers takes the policy seriously, I think it is a leap to assume that other schools don't take their similar policies seriously. That fact that you don't hear about violations elsewhere could just mean there are no violations or that the violations don't make the newspapers.

 

[cRURah]

many organizations have rules against managers fraternizing with employees. similarly colleges mostly do not allow faculty fraternizing ( dating ) students. so if someone breaks the rule even if nothing sexual or romantic happened the employee is likely to get reprimanded or even canned. I've seen it happen many times in business as some companies have zero tolerance for violating the policy.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

The problem is that the media and the academics don't appreciate that they can have a mutually beneficial relationship with RU athletics if they all work together.

 

[Knight Shift]

The problem is that the media and the academics don't appreciate that they can have a mutually beneficial relationship with RU athletics if they all work together.

Yes they do. It is stated right in the Policy that they are trying to hang Flood out to dry on. It's a bunch of silliness at this point. He may have violated the letter of the policy, but it appears from all that is out there, there was no intent to use undue influence. Reprimand him and be done with it.

 

[LotusAggressor]

However, I don't think Rutgers is unique in this policy. Many (and probably most) other D1 schools have similar policies. If it weren't for the SL writing an article about this, no one would ever know that Flood possibly violated any policies. This is the type of thing that would be handled internally, unless it required more than a slap on the wrist and additional training.

While it is certainly good that Rutgers takes the policy seriously, I think it is a leap to assume that other schools don't take their similar policies seriously. That fact that you don't hear about violations elsewhere could just mean there are no violations or that the violations don't make the newspapers.

And those violations don't make the newspapers in those places because there isn't an agenda to destroy those programs by printing articles that are half-true.

 

[derleider]

Agreed Graystork. Compare how RU handles a most likely minor issue , with Baylor covering up a Violent Abuser for over a year, and then Art Briles saying what he did. RU however should have gotten out in front of this story a week ago, rather than waiting for someone to leak it the media.

I disagree. Its an internal matter of little significance, given the relatively minor nature of the infraction. RU would ahve gained nothing from outting it on their own - because whatever outrage their is isnt actually about Flood's actions, but about the fact that hes being investigated for them. So RU comes out and says we are investigating Flood and tries to put spin on it. DO you think that NJ.Com wouldnt still be pushing these ridiculous Flood is on the verge of being out of a job articles?

So their choies were - dont say anything or say something. If they say nothing - at least their is a chance that it never gets out. If it does get out - there is little difference between what happened and what would have happened.

 

[CNJKnight]

Whether he did something wrong or not, one thing stands out to me. Do you think they ever have this issue at Penn State, or Alabama, or North Carolina? This is one thing that sets Rutgers apart and I think in a good way from others. Academics matter. Football coaches aren't allowed to bulldoze professors into giving away grades. There still is a scholar in scholar-athlete at Rutgers. As much as this is a pain in the ass for the football program, there's something here that makes me just a little bit prouder of my state university.

Although I hate those Ped Staters more than the next guy, Coach Baldy is all about academics there. That's the one thing I'll give him. Otherwise, he's a downright loser. Please proceed.