TCU News v. Rutgers News-A Tale of Two Cities

[Knight Shift]

USA Today's Headline Today? "
How many losses can the TCU defense withstand?

What does the story discuss? How many players they lost to graduation. Buried in the middle of the story is: " The latest development came Monday night when senior defensive end Mike Tuaua (along with a freshman receiver) was charged with robbery with bodily injury after being accused of attacking a student and stealing a case of Keystone Light beer, leaving his status in doubt."

The rest of the story is about how great their defense was and how Gary Patterson is a defensive genius. Can we hire him?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2015/09/22/tcu-defense-injuries/72620910/

Meanwhile, USA Today's Front Page of Sports has this Headline (fed from Gannett/Dunleavy's Story):

Leonte Carroo’s mother, girlfriend charged by Rutgers police

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TCU is in the Dallas Area. The Newspaper there?
No trending story about TCU Arrest. This story is in the newsfeed under Sports:

TCU's Gary Patterson: Defensive end's legal problem 'not even close' to what happened at Baylor
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...not-even-close-to-what-happened-at-baylor.ece

COULD YOU IMAGINE FLOOD OR RUTGERS ASSERTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

TCU coach Gary Patterson on Tuesday stood up for a senior leader on his football team.

Patterson, during his weekly news conference, made a strong assertion that Tuaua's problems are not nearly as serious as the sexual assault case that happened at Baylor before the start of this football season.

"All I care [about] is a 50-50 deal," Patterson said at his weekly news conference. "In this kid's case, Mike Tuaua, we'll find out what the facts are. It'll all come out. I just hope when they all come out, you report it just as strongly as what you've done here because it's not even close to what happened south of here."

"I'm just going to tell you something right now when it comes to Mike Tuaua," Patterson said. "I named him captain, but outside [of football] in our community, with kids, he's the most-liked kid we have on our team beside [quarterback] Trevone Boykin."

Patterson said he's willing to let the situation play out. He was hopeful that it would be addressed by the school last week, but it wasn't.

"I'm just telling you, as far as just a person, I'm not going to let you say this kid's a bad person," Patterson said. "If he made a mistake, he made a mistake, OK?

 

[Knight Shift]

And when discussing the story about the number of arrests at TCU over the last several years, the same newspaper seemed very matter of fact. No multiple stories, headlines and click bait. Being in Texas and being ranked #3 helps a bit.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...-in-player-arrests-over-last-five-years.html/

 

[RUonBrain]

Amazing

NJ media can suck it

 

[rutexan84]

In 2012, four TCU players were arrested for involvement in a campus wide drug ring. Stayed in the news for less than a month. Now a feint memory. Why? The local paper, the Star Telegram, realizes that the TCU team's success stimulates their readership and they have nothing to gain by bringing the program down.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Its all about perception. If you are perceived to be a mess, you will be portrayed as a mess. If you are perceived as being a winner, a lot of shit will roll off your back. A lot of bad has happened at Rutgers in a short time. That is going to put a lot of scrutiny on us. The matter is compounded by the fact that we are viewed by most non-fans as the undeserving newcomer to big time college football and the fact that the local media, from whom the national media takes its cues, sensationalizes our issues to boost their own revenue.

All of that said, if TCU goes through a string of shit like we have, I think the national media will change its tone about them. But as of right now, they are the #3 team (or whatever) and had 2 players get arrested for beating a kid up and taking his beer. That is not a program run amok, in and of itself. I don't even think the SL could have turned that into a national scandal if that was what happened here.

 

[Yeah Baby]

TCU came out of nowhere the last few years and this was all happening while they were coming out of nowhere to being a successful program. When you recruit 25 kids per year there is a chance that 1-2 will not be choir boys. Then you have walkons and it is easy to see how a small group of players (and ex players) can tarnish a program that has been pretty squeaky clean for the last.....forever?

Our Media chooses to trash everything they can. It sucks but reading this board most posters do the same thing. Everyone loves to trash talk on the internet. Boring. But when the big media putlets pick up in it then it can hurt a program. That is what we are seeing now. Good job to all of the trash talkers.

 

[RUnion]

And there were two Purdue football players arrested last week for robbery/ theft. Didn't see that anywhere outside of local news outlets

 

[rutgersguy1]

We're in the largest media market and this is part of it. If we were better I think some of it would stick less but I still think it would happen. They had football players arrested in a drug ring bust a couple years ago and assault/robbery now. No one cares much it comes and goes quickly like it does at most schools. If the media wants to harp on it and hype it for us, so be it. You can't do much about the media's actions. You try to prevent similar things from happening in the future as best you can, let the media garbage roll of your back and move forward.

I've said this here before but my response isn't continuous railing at them, it's more rallying us to say screw them we're going to do what we need to do and they don't matter in the scheme of things. We donate, buy tickets, merchandise, etc...To that effect, I find myself making more unplanned donations to the AD just as a big FU to them....channel the anger to a positive outcome.

 

[DHajekRC84]

UN FRACKIN BELIEVABLE....but not a surprise... for the umteenth time...what Rutgers needs desperately is a top flight PR lead and somebody at the top who won't eat crap. We lead the country in throwing people under the bus..(that doesn't mean look the other way)

 

[ru66]

we are easy targets and this is expected when no one at RU can, or is able to speak or defend RU since it only highlights their own issues

 

[RUboston]

RU has a "kick me" sign taped to its back, and we let it stay there.

 

[rutgersguy1]

we are easy targets and this is expected when no one at RU can, or is able to speak or defend RU since it only highlights their own issues

I know you don't like JH not speaking to the media but I have no issue with it. She can be under a rock as long as she's here. Same goes for any future AD. Everything through press release and RU media platforms is fine with me. TP came out on OTL right away after Rice, how did that help him? He just got skewered. So did Mulcahy for something that was already out there and printed in a previous article, just think about how crazy that is.

I think people need to get out of their heads that interacting with the media more than we have to is beneficial to us. You can say defend this defend that, nope you may as well be just talking at a wall. They're going to write and say what they like whether you talk to them until your blue in the face or don't. It makes no difference. Keep them at arm's length, actually screw that keep them in the next county. It makes no difference. Take care of our own business and let them say what they're going to say and write what they're going to write, they will anyway regardless of what we do.

 

[brgossRU90]

Some of you guys are getting way too bent out of shape about this stuff. The news media and, as a result, the American public have the attention span of a kindergartener. The few who are even paying attention forget and move on to the next sensational headline quickly.

 

[Knight Shift]

Nobody answered the question. Could you imagine Flood making a statement on behalf of Carroo like Patterson made for his player and not getting lambasted for doing so?

 

[rutgersguy1]

Some of you guys are getting way too bent out of shape about this stuff. The news media and, as a result, the American public have the attention span of a kindergartener. The few who are even paying attention forget and move on to the next sensational headline quickly.

I agree with you. All the more reason to just let it roll off our backs, take care of what needs to be taken care of and go on with our business.

 

[Knight Shift]

Some of you guys are getting way too bent out of shape about this stuff. The news media and, as a result, the American public have the attention span of a kindergartener. The few who are even paying attention forget and move on to the next sensational headline quickly.

Not bent out of shape at all. Just pointing out how the press is in other parts of the country versus here in NJ. Also, as pointed out in my OP and by another, being #3 in the nation helps keep the focus off the negative stuff. I accept the reality that we have a hostile press in the form of NJ.COM/Star Ledger, a program that seems to make major guffaws every year or two, and the two largest revenue generating sports, football and men's basketball not being perennial winners.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Nobody answered the question. Could you imagine Flood making a statement on behalf of Carroo like Patterson made for his player and not getting lambasted for doing so?

Nope, he'd get skewered especially comparing to another school's problems.

 

[GeorgeStreet]

I know you don't like JH not speaking to the media but I have no issue with it. She can be under a rock as long as she's here. Same goes for any future AD. Everything through press release and RU media platforms is fine with me.

I think people need to get out of their heads that interacting with the media more than we have to is beneficial to us. You can say defend this defend that, nope you may as well be just talking at a wall. They're going to write and say what they like whether you talk to them until your blue in the face or don't. It makes no difference. Keep them at arm's length, actually screw that keep them in the next county. It makes no difference. Take care of our own business and let them say what they're going to say and write what they're going to write, they will anyway regardless of what we do.

Well said, rutgers guy.

 

[srru86]

Meanwhile if you look at Kansas news outlets the story describing the new KU hoops uniform is right up there with the Jayhawk football game week stories.

 

[suggakane]

Some of you guys are getting way too bent out of shape about this stuff. The news media and, as a result, the American public have the attention span of a kindergartener. The few who are even paying attention forget and move on to the next sensational headline quickly.

agree.... the longer you discuss it, the longer it takes to go away...too many here keep the fire going and know they are doing it.

 

[Pritz99]

Wasn't Tom Lucci part of that NJ.com culture? I'd LOVE to here his take on the press situation here..

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Things would be different if the Star Liar was based in Dallas.

 

[ru66]

jh not speaking to the press is fine by me--my point was that our history and the mistakes made have effectively neutered RU

 

[RUSK97]

Not surprised at all by the way this was covered in DFW, but I am shocked that Patterson asserted this was nothing compared to what happened at Baylor.

 

[Caliknight]

1) nice to see an administration not cower and run.

2). NJ and surrounding media are cannibals. They love to eat and destroy their own. It is a cynical place, and the media is just part of it.

3). Drama. People there are more interested and focused on drama than winning.

 

[Shoeless Joe #1]

Patterson was assessing the situation that involves Mike Tuaua, a defensive end who has been suspended since Sept. 7 after being arrested Sept. 4 on charges of robbery with bodily injury, a second-degree felony.

Patterson, during his weekly news conference, made a strong assertion that Tuaua's problems are not nearly as serious as the sexual assault case that happened at Baylor before the start of this football season.

The victim in the TCU incident t had a broken arm and multiple broken bones in his leg. So I guess its not too bad coach since at Baylor they raped a girl, we only broke 5 bones on this kid.

 

[j10oreo]

Nobody answered the question. Could you imagine Flood making a statement on behalf of Carroo like Patterson made for his player and not getting lambasted for doing so?

It's easy to see the NJ media having a field day with that. I think the majority of fans would appreciate Flood sticking up for his players until there's evidence that clearly show we shouldn't be defending them. That's the weird thing about RU, nobody really supports anyone once something catches fire. We just leave each other to fend for themselves and stick our heads in the ground. Not even the usual "we are aware of the allegations/incident and are currently investigating " that professional sports generically respond with.

 

[Knight Shift]

The victim in the TCU incident t had a broken arm and multiple broken bones in his leg.

Maybe Flood should make a comparison to the victims of the home invasion and the alleged broken jaw in the fight and see how the press reacts. Or maybe he could e-mail the prosecutor asking if there is anything the prosecutor can do to reduce the charges because the TCU and Baylor incidents are more severe.

 

[Knight Shift]

It's easy to see the NJ media having a field day with that. I think the majority of fans would appreciate Flood sticking up for his players until there's evidence that clearly show we shouldn't be defending them. That's the weird thing about RU, nobody really supports anyone once something catches fire. We just leave each other to fend for themselves and stick our heads in the ground. Not even the usual "we are aware of the allegations/incident and are currently investigating " that professional sports generically respond with.

Exactly. People cower in fear of being sued or fired. At my son's high school orientation social, some kid came up to him with a latex balloon. My son sold him to keep the balloon away because he has a latex allergy. The kid shoved it in my son's face, and my son had to go to the emergency room because he had an allergic reaction including difficulty swallowing and breaking. This was reported to the principal. Has the kid who stuck the balloon in my son's face been talked to? No. Has the kid apologized to my son? No. Probably everyone is afraid of admitting something wrong occurred because they might get sued. We would not sue, as we think the kid would not willfully do something to hurt my son. He probably did not fully understand. But back when I was a kid, the kid's parents would make the kid apologize for what happened. Alternatively, that kid would have received some sort of schoolyard retaliation. . . .

 

[RU-05]

Nobody answered the question. Could you imagine Flood making a statement on behalf of Carroo like Patterson made for his player and not getting lambasted for doing so?

There was too much going on at time of Carroo incident for him to make a statement with any credibility.

 

[Shoeless Joe #1]

Maybe Flood should make a comparison to the victims of the home invasion and the alleged broken jaw in the fight and see how the press reacts. Or maybe he could e-mail the prosecutor asking if there is anything the prosecutor can do to reduce the charges because the TCU and Baylor incidents are more severe.

You missed my point so I edited my comment- summary TCU- we only boke 5 bones on the kids body while at Baylor they raped a student. NJ.com would have a field day with that.

 

[Akron Buck]

People loves winners and TCU wins.

If RU had come out of the gate and was undeafeated dominating all your games you wouldn't catch half the sh** you do.

 

[RU-05]

You missed my point so I edited my comment- summary TCU- we only boke 5 bones on the kids body while at Baylor they raped a student. NJ.com would have a field day with that.

Yeah, I missed that elemant of your post. That is a brutal statement for someone to make.

5 bones is a heck of a beating. Broken jaw COULD just be a one punch thing(still have no idea what went on there), but 5 bones does not happen without a complete stomp fest.

 

[RU-05]

People loves winners and TCU wins.

If RU had come out of the gate and was undeafeated dominating all your games you wouldn't catch half the sh** you do.

disagree, we have a local media that believes the best way to get readers is to post, repost and then highlight scandalous stories. Other areas of the country believe the best way to get readers is to coddle, polish, and pump up the major college sports programs in their area.

 

[NotInRHouse]

TCU is a small private school that wins. It is not like they have a large alumni base like ours to rile.

I have criticized NJ.com but this incident was not on par with home invasions at gun point, nor did Patterson send dumb emails.

 

[LotusAggressor]

No newspaper would survive even a week if they had an agenda to destroy college football programs in Texas. Completely different culture.

 

[BoroKnight]

Patterson was wrong -- egregiously so -- for saying that. Who cares what happened at some other school? What does that have to do with what your kid did?

That being said, while TCU has had its share of players up to no good, the overall image of the school is not the clown show that Rutgers seems to have been putting on for years. Part of that is winning, and part of it is not having a string of coaches and athletics directors winding up in the news for all the wrong reasons (some fair, some not, but the result is a never-ending string of bad publicity.)

 

[LotusAggressor]

Patterson was wrong -- egregiously so -- for saying that. Who cares what happened at some other school? What does that have to do with what your kid did?

That being said, while TCU has had its share of players up to no good, the overall image of the school is not the clown show that Rutgers seems to have been putting on for years. Part of that is winning, and part of it is not having a string of coaches and athletics directors winding up in the news for all the wrong reasons (some fair, some not, but the result is a never-ending string of bad publicity.)

TCU isn't a clown show because Texas isn't full of pseudo-journalistic clickbait pornographers with an anti-big time sports agenda.

 

[LotusAggressor]

People loves winners and TCU wins.

If RU had come out of the gate and was undeafeated dominating all your games you wouldn't catch half the sh** you do.

Not necessarily. Many of the hatchet pieces on the football program were written after RU started winning consistently.

 

[RUinSantaFe]

New Jersey has a self-hatred that us reflected by the local rag.

Most football towns could care less about a few arrests...its a yawn...a non story.

Our problems are very small compared to most programs.

There is no need for any RU alumn to actually buy that rag or follow any of their writers on social media!!!