I was right behind the Iowa bench, mugged may not be the best choice of words but many fouls weren't called that should have been based on the rules. Bohannon should have been called for the break away too, just as the Rutgers guys hitting Kriener should have been ejected with a F2, after re-watching it there was no basketball play there at all and he knew RK was there. The original poster was right here. The bad calls or no calls basically evened out, if Rutgers can make free throws they win, Iowa did get very lucky on the last shot too but it didn't have to come down to that either.
Terrible calls as usual.
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I was right behind the Iowa bench, mugged may not be the best choice of words but many fouls weren't called that should have been based on the rules. Bohannon should have been called for the break away too, just as the Rutgers guys hitting Kriener should have been ejected with a F2, after re-watching it there was no basketball play there at all and he knew RK was there. The original poster was right here. The bad calls or no calls basically evened out, if Rutgers can make free throws they win, Iowa did get very lucky on the last shot too but it didn't have to come down to that either.
Nearly every time an Iowa player caught the ball on the perimeter, the Rutgers defender had both hands on the Iowa ballhandler. Not just in the Iowa player’s space, but physically touching them. As soon as the ballhandler puts the ball on the floor, that should be a foul. There were also numerous times where Iowa players attacked the basket and the Rutgers defender would chuck the ballhandler (essentially, a handcheck, except with the entire forearm rather than a hand), and it was never called a foul. Rutgers should have been whistled for 15+ fouls in the first half the way they were playing defense.
Yes, Iowa got lucky on the final shot. Yes, Iowa also got the benefit of a few calls down the stretch. But the officials completely hosed Iowa in the first half, and they made plenty of bad calls/no calls that favored Rutgers.
It doesn’t matter if the hit to the Iowa player’s face was intentional or unintentional. The inquiry is whether it was excessive or unnecessary contact- which it clearly was. In no way, shape, or form is throwing your elbow behind you while you are moving forward a “basketball play”.
Also, it is laughable that you think a 170 pound PG could truck a 240 pound post player like that. The Rutgers player had position, sure. But it was an egregious flop, on par with the garbage that Davison kid from Wisconsin gets away with.
You know, drawing a charge is a thing in basketball. It doesn't matter it's a 90 pound PG and a 300 pound center, a charge is a charge.
I have never seen that type of play called a flagrant foul before. Do you think at the end of games when teams are intentionally trying to foul to stop the clock should be a flagrant foul? Because that is no different than what you are advocating for here. The type of foul Bohannon committed has never been a flagrant foul, nor should it be.
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In the nba its a clear path foul, 2 shots and the ball. Ncaa doesnt have that rule tho and they should
It's a clear path foul which has been now classified a flagrant 1 in the NCAA. There were no defenders ahead of him. Was he reaching for the ball or to grab the defender?
I've seen flagrant 1 calls at the end of the game if the player is not going for the ball.
Even if Omoruyi didn't fall to the ground it's still a charge.
This is the most relevant part of your diatribe. Your guards couldn’t get open for shots unless they were given multiple moving picks on the same play. Guess how many moving picks they called? You guessed it. None.
Congrats on the win but if you think the refs favored RU overall you’ve been eating too much corn on the cob.
GO RU
I've been saying this for years that refs are subconsciously biased against us. And I'm told that things magically even themselves out. The reason most of this board is up in arms now is because we are much better and we actually have a shot to win these games so people are playing more attention now.
But biased officiating will continue. To assume that a human being who has heard for 30 years how horrible we are will not somehow be biased to make calls against us is ludicrous. It is absolutely human nature. I am not saying that a ref puts on his uniform and says I'm going to screw Rutgers today. That ref doesnt know he's going to screw Rutgers...and he screws Rutgers because that's how the majority of human brains work. We are drawn to power...its how we are made up.
And it's why in 2006 me and my buddies would leave football games shaking our heads that we actually got calls go our way that we shouldn't have. And we said this is amazing... this is how good programs must feel all the time.
You all watch. As we become a top half Big Ten program we are going to have more and more games where we get benefit of the calls and less games like last night. It will happen.
It is frustrating to me for two reasons: one is that it is so obvious but people refuse to accept that this is how things work in sports. And two, it just makes the rebuild so much harder.
But we will get there...in spite of the bias.
But biased officiating will continue. To assume that a human being who has heard for 30 years how horrible we are will not somehow be biased to make calls against us is ludicrous. It is absolutely human nature. I am not saying that a ref puts on his uniform and says I'm going to screw Rutgers today. That ref doesnt know he's going to screw Rutgers...and he screws Rutgers because that's how the majority of human brains work. We are drawn to power...its how we are made up.
And it's why in 2006 me and my buddies would leave football games shaking our heads that we actually got calls go our way that we shouldn't have. And we said this is amazing... this is how good programs must feel all the time.
You all watch. As we become a top half Big Ten program we are going to have more and more games where we get benefit of the calls and less games like last night. It will happen.
It is frustrating to me for two reasons: one is that it is so obvious but people refuse to accept that this is how things work in sports. And two, it just makes the rebuild so much harder.
But we will get there...in spite of the bias.
Can you explain to me why the elbow to Ryan Kreiner's nose (creating a gash of blood) was not a flagrant foul? It certainly wasn't a "basketball move". Rutgers players were also hand-checking throughout the game. I thought freedom of movement was supposed to be an emphasis this season? It looked like Michigan State's clutching/grabbing defense.
No, it’s not. Bohannon pulled up and made minimal contact with Rutgers #5, and he flopped backwards like he got hit by a truck. Wouldn’t have been called a charge if he hadn’t flopped.
Link to a clear path foul being a Flagrant 1? As far as I know, that is an NBA rule only and is not a foul in the NCAA.
These I-Wa fans are still here pumping their chests?
They wouldn't of the miracle shot didn't go in
They wouldn't of the miracle shot didn't go in
Was he out of the arc and did he have established position? Did Bohannon initiate the contact? If yes (which is what happened) then yes it's a charge.
Iowa’s guard’s couldn’t get open for shots because they were being held and pushed by Rutgers defenders. Iowa’s ballhandlers couldn’t create any space because they were being handchecked and bodychecked by Rutgers defenders. The only other team I have seen get away with the **** Rutgers was doing on defense last night was Michigan State and Penn State. It’s a smart strategy really; commit a bunch of fouls on every possession knowing that the officials will eventually stop calling them. It just makes for ugly basketball and is not the way the game should be played.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3S9C83bUciIRUM9VBS-lmt&cshid=1550435901856
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The NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel adopted the "flagrant" term before the 2011-12 season for both men's and women's basketball.[3] However, the NCAA's women's rules committee abandoned the term "flagrant", effective with the 2017–18 season, in favor of FIBA's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" terms.[4] These fouls are counted as personal fouls and technical fouls.
- A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
Dude do you know how many moving screens you guys set?
Wrong. Offensive players are allowed to initiate some contact without it being a charge. To rule otherwise would prohibit offensive players from driving out of fear of getting called for a charge. The only reason it was a charge was because Rutgers #5 flopped. You seem to want to play victim though and ignore all the questionable calls that benefitted Rutgers, focusing solely on the calls that went against you.
Dude, that’s a Wikipedia update from nearly 10 years ago. You’re going to have to do better than that.
The announcers also said that it should have been a flagrant foul when the Rutgers player elbowed the Iowa player in the face. I’m sure you agreed with the announcers there too?
Announcer also said it was not goaltending. Iowa fan one of Pikes ex players from Stoney Brook had on twitter that Ru gets screwed by the refs more than any other team in Big ten. Most of us are tired of it. And I take the word of a kid who played in college over what I write.
No, because I wasn’t watching for that. Just like you were not watching for all the garbage Rutgers was getting away with on the defensive end. That is the thing about fandom; you tend to focus only on the calls that go against you, and do not even notice the calls (or lack thereof) that benefit you.
If you would take a step back and try to view things from an objective lens, you would see that both teams benefitted from questionable calls, and the officials let A LOT of should-be fouls go on both teams. To pretend that the officials favored one side over the other last night is simply making excuses and is completely devoid of reality.
My lawyer is a Wisconsin grad
When RU got into the B1G we talked about sports and fanbases.
I said Pen St has the worst fans, he immediately said with conviction, "NO, Iowa fans are by far the worst.
Insecure and nasty."
I'm learning he was right.
Total lack of class by the I-Wa fans here.
When RU got into the B1G we talked about sports and fanbases.
I said Pen St has the worst fans, he immediately said with conviction, "NO, Iowa fans are by far the worst.
Insecure and nasty."
I'm learning he was right.
Total lack of class by the I-Wa fans here.
How can a wikipedia article from "10 years ago" include an update for the 2017-2018 season? Did you even read it?
These Iowa fans are unreal. They win the game on a lucky shot. You think they would realize they got lucky and maybe be good winners on our website, but nooooooo... they have to bitch and complain and bitch and complain and bitch some more, when they won the game!!!
What a bunch of sensitive corn stalks they are.
If you think that our guys were handchecking you weren’t watching the game . Our guards were body to body with your slow guards all game off the dribble . Body to body is not handchecking , it’s getting into the offensive player so they have no room to operate. Our hands were from what I saw at our sides while we slid with you . I rarely saw two hands on
a ball handler to hold them up . The only time your guards got space is when they ran off five moving screens or we lost you in transition .
a ball handler to hold them up . The only time your guards got space is when they ran off five moving screens or we lost you in transition .
McConnell got called for a foul when he ran into a Garza pick under Iowa’s basket, even though Garza stoned him and didn’t flop. So you’re just wrong IAHawk.
There was a little bit of handchecking by our guys, but certainly within the rules and not mugging. Sorry if the little Hawkeye snowflakes aren’t used to tough, in your face defense.
News flash: basketball is a physical game. And when you’re playing a team with lots of shooters, you get up in their grill.
News flash: basketball is a physical game. And when you’re playing a team with lots of shooters, you get up in their grill.
No lack of class other than the idiot above. If you think Iowa fans are bad, you haven't been in the BIG long enough to know better! Attend a home Iowa event and you will see hospitality unlike anywhere else in the conference. Just good bantering back and forth about the game, sorry it didn't go your way. Calls were missed both ways and basically evened out, if Rutgers had made their free throws it wouldn't have come down to a final lucky shot.
I never thought I'd say this, but B1G officials are worse than Big East officials.
Even on our home court, visitors get home town cooking.
Even on our home court, visitors get home town cooking.
