That Temple win vs psu.. good or bad?

[ruready07]

how should we as RU fans look at this win?

- Does Temple winning this game give them some street cred in the recruiting game and allow them to elevate their program to the point where we compete with them, especially for philly area recruits? Right now the power in northeast football in order is: psu, rutgers,/maryland, pitt/bc, temple/syracuse and uconn. Can we afford to have temple being a realistic option for solid 1a players from southeast PA? We have been very successful in this region and can't afford to lose this territory.
(our starting 2TE's, FB, RG, RT, NG, 2 good RBs and our best RB recruit from last year's class, along with some of our top recruits for next year's class are all from southeast PA). Very important territory for RU FB.

- or is it better for us that temple beat penn state and did much damage to the momentum the psu program was having. If we want to overtake them as top program in the northeast, we will need their momentum to slow down a bit. It had been real high, up until this temple loss. That game has the whole program questioning whether this Franklin regime is actually for real or not. We cant afford a surging pen state at the same time as we are having some issues.

 

[Kbee3]

how should we as RU fans look at this win?

- Does Temple winning this game give them some street cred in the recruiting game and allow them to elevate their program to the point where we compete with them, especially for philly area recruits? Right now the power in northeast football in order is: psu, rutgers,/maryland, pitt/bc, temple/syracuse and uconn. Can we afford to have temple being a realistic option for solid 1a players from southeast PA? We have been very successful in this region and can't afford to lose this territory.
(our starting 2TE's, FB, RG, RT, NG, 2 good RBs and our best RB recruit from last year's class, along with some of our top recruits for next year's class are all from southeast PA). Very important territory for RU FB.

- or is it better for us that temple beat penn state and did much damage to the momentum the psu program was having. If we want to overtake them as top program in the northeast, we will need their momentum to slow down a bit. It had been real high, up until this temple loss. That game has the whole program questioning whether this Franklin regime is actually for real or not. We cant afford a surging pen state at the same time as we are having some issues.

Put simply, I've found over the years that most Temple fans are tools....jealous of RU's success and bitter in regards to their position in college football. But Pedd St. fans are 10 times worse. Any Rutgers fan that's been exposed to both could tell you that. I'm sure that there was not one single RU fan that was rooting for Pedd ST. in that game. It's like voting in a presidential election....the lesser of two evils.

 

[RUseaweed]

Does Temple winning this game give them some street cred in the recruiting game and allow them to elevate their program to the point where we compete with them, especially for philly area recruits?

If Rhule gets them to a bowl this season he's going to get picked up by a P5 school. I think coaches generally play a bigger role in recruiting than anything else. He will have certainly set the table well for his successor, but most recruits will opt* for P5 schools.

*I have my Kareem Ali armor up. Legacy kid who wanted to go where his parents did. Not reflective of the broader trend in recruiting.

 

[wheezer]

Kbee3 said:
"Put simply, I've found over the years that most Temple fans are tools....jealous of RU's success and bitter in regards to their position in college football"

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I believe when Temple was voted to be removed from the football portion of the big east, , Rutgers was presiding over the big east meeting....the chair of each big east meeting was done on a rotating basis, and it was our turn..

for some reason, because RU was in the seat, Temple fans thought that RU was a leader in the effort to remove Temple, or stop them from becoming a full fb/bb member...RU was not the leader of such an effort.

there was a short period of time that Temple had their football program in better shape than RU, mostly through the Shea error, and maybe the first year or two of Schiano.....the Temple fans always held us up as an example of another program with similar problems to theirs, yet we remained.....

thus the resentment.

the fact was, that RU had its own decent size stadium, and decent attendance, and always the possibility of growing our program beyond what Temple could.....it was not just the on the field performance, but the Temple fans would always make that comparison about who should be forced out

it will be interesting to see if any Temple success can be sustained in upcoming years, as they continue on in the aac....

 

[LC-88]

State Penn loss > world comes to an end > Temple win

 

[KaKaKen]

If temple ever dumps real $ into the prgram....they could be a power

 

[RutgersRaRa]

If temple ever dumps real $ into the prgram....they could be a power

Same thing applies to Rutgers. The good news is, we have a head start and a known boost in revenue in a few years.

 

[alex13rufan]

The temple win is good.
How could that win not make you happy

 

[ecojew]

I don't see Temple as a threat to RU in football. We have many advantages over them, most notably conference affiliation, stadium, fan base, etc. I think a decent Temple program - which it has clearly become, at least for awhile - will be more harmful to Syracuse, BC, UConn, and possibly Pitt than to us, in terms of recruiting.

PSU on the other hand is the real threat so any setback to them is good for us, though none would be moreso than an RU victory out there in two weeks. The way in which Temple dominated the Nits on Saturday has really put Franklin under a microscope and hopefully, in the weeks ahead, his flaws will be exposed even further. Turmoil in not-so-happy valley in general will be good for us. A losing season for them would also be nice since it would deny them a bowl game, which they never should have been permitted to have last season. Cutting their sanctions in half was a travesty, IMHO.

 

[greenknight]

Temple does not have real dollars. They have no fan base. They are going no where
It was a big win for them

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Temple's win is great for college sports.....college sports really isn't any longer about what 4 teams make the playoff or Final Four in hoops, it really never has been....it's about Temple's win over a program they never ever beat, BYU's hail mary over Nebraska, Portland State over Oregon State a year or two ago and then again over Washington State this year, etc., South Dakota State beating Kansas......or Appalachian State over Michigan a few years ago.

What is most surprising for me to continue to see fans that initially start with "they are not a Power 5 program or they are a 1AA" as a way to explain away why a certain team should not compete with another team. Part of it's coaching and the other is about setting a goal and achieving it as the underdog.....it's also a greater lesson for that Power 5 or D1 school that loses that game as well.

If you are Temple and you were recruited there over the last 2 to 3 years, you had to have been sold on being under-recruited, getting a second chance, OR, you will get a chance to prove yourselves and play at home vs Penn State in the 2015, the big boys. That schedule of having them as the Opener vs a Week 8 game like last year, allows a program to push kids in winter workouts and spring ball, because it's an immediate goal you get to start with.

I was always more interested in games like last year where RU opened at Washington State or at Fresno, vs A Howard or Norfolk State....I think the focus and immediate challenge is a necessary item to help your team get ready for the season.

So when you start a season like a Western Michigan hosting Michigan State and only lose by 13, that's a sign of whatever work was put into that off season. Or Temple not just beating Penn State sigh a 46 yard FG in the closing seconds and pulling out a 16-14 win.....instead they went through the process of being down 10-0 and scoring 27 unanswered points and registering 10 sacks of what should be the top QB taken in the NFL draft next spring (whether he's deserving or not based on how badly he's being coached by Franklin and Penn State, is another topic for another day).

If Temple gets down 14 next week vs Cincinnati, maybe they relax and think about how well they played last week, no one would be surprised if they lost by 20 to Cinci....however, if they build on this confidence and get down 14, maybe they rally and keep competing and make a game of it or even win again next week.

You make your most money on college football in Vegas by paying attention and finding these types of scenarios. Temple was a double digit underdog in the "pre-season" opening line and someone immediate chopped that down from 14.5 to 14, to 10 to around 7 before Vegas realized they made a mistake. This is what college sports is all about. It is why we are mostly here. If anyone is only here for the one memory of their school raising the National Championship trophy, it's not really ever been about that.

It's about taking the next steps as a program and making a landmark as a group of players do every year. Temple's players can carry this as the statement win OR they can build on it as a stepping stone to do bigger and better things. That's the story line each season for me.

 

[greenknight]

Agree with Hawk. Temple is going to get the kids that are under recruited , academic chances and local Philly & NJ kids that want to stay local. I think they could be a solid team in the conference they are in now but will never achieve big time status too many variables against them. Mainly small inner city campus and no fan base what so ever
But like I said great win for them

 

[RoxboroughKnight]

The Temple win is good for Rutgers, but only if we beat Penn State in 2 weeks. Looking at their schedule, Penn State plays Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego State, Army, and Indiana before they play Ohio State. Even with the Temple loss, if they beat us they could easily be 5-1 going into Ohio State. That would erase any negative momentum from the Temple game. The Penn State/Rutgers game is going to be huge for both teams.

 

[BuckRU]

I would have preferred a narrow PSU win... Let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[Mr Magoo]

A PSU loss is always good in my book.

 

[MozRU]

The fact there is even a debate tells me most people in this tread think Rutgers is small time and that is sad.

You don't understand college football.

PSU lost because they are down in talent
PSU you lost because Franklin is a fraud of a couch
Rutgers is in the B1G and will make 10x more than Temple: if we lose recruits to AAC Temple the coaching staff deserves to be brought in the public square, shamed and fired.

Does OSU lose recruiting battles to Ohio U?

Why are we having this debate? Nice win over PSU yesterday. The first in 60yrs. Don't get used to it

 

[RUich]

Like it or not, PSU is considered an iconic program by its fans, media and casual observers no matter what the facts may be. Thus the high regard they get in the polls.
The only problem for the team is that it appears this thought process isn't being carried by the teams they play. Temple clearly believed in themselves and after some early adversity, they prevailed.
They may well make it back to really being a top team, but once your opponents smell blood in the water, things just change. The Temple win empowers others. They didn't win on some lucky roll of the ball, they flat out beat them six ways to Sunday.
PSU right now is a facade. We will find out soon enough if we are as tough as Temple.

 

[wheezer]

A PSU loss is always good in my book.

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I have rooted for every big 10 team in their out of conference games....... Except for PU

Just cannot do it.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Temple win is good IMO - any advantage we can get is a good thing considering opponents this year. TTFP will be tough on the road for a variety of reasons, so this is a shot of confidence for us.

 

[JQRU91]

No need to overanalyze it. Just enjoy the schadenfreude.

 

[MozRU]

I root for all B1G teams except for PSU and Mich

PSU: everything about them is a POS
Mich: they think they are an IVY league school and their alumni are arrogant assholes.

I wish nothing but bankruptcy for both

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Nice plum for Temple - will help them with visibility/image/open doors in their recruiting discussions - but 'sealing the deal' will depend on coaches.
Can't see a serious adverse impact on RU recruiting - If there is a vital 'must get' recruit - head-to-head RU should carry the day .... the only exception might be in some unique case - like a legacy kid who was on the fence - emotionally wanted to follow in footsteps to TU - maybe this gives them a bit of an additional nudge.

The immediate question - is it better to face a cocky & over confident - but filled with tons of -yet to be fully exposed & exploited weaknesses- PSU ... or a dinged-up, humiliated, pride-hurt & wildly crazed / desperate to vindicate themselves PSU ?
... if PSU is going to be a total trainwreck this year - let it be comprehensive - and if they are going to wake up for one game - let it be against Illinois .. or Maryland ... or Army

 

[Trekology]

the fact was, that RU had its own decent size stadium, and decent attendance, and always the possibility of growing our program beyond what Temple could.....it was not just the on the field performance, but the Temple fans would always make that comparison about who should be forced out

I firmly believe that Temple shouldn't have been voted out of the Big East then but brought in as a full member. But a combination of the Temple administration at the time and Big East politics didn't allow that to happen. Instead, the Big East kept toying with the idiotic idea of Villanova moving up from I-AA. Villanova had the same issue with Football facilities (mainly stadium) that Temple did yet the Big East was willing to throw money at 'Nova's problem. Yet Villanova would never have been able to sustain a I-A program on its own.

 

[wheezer]

I firmly believe that Temple shouldn't have been voted out of the Big East then but brought in as a full member. But a combination of the Temple administration at the time and Big East politics didn't allow that to happen. Instead, the Big East kept toying with the idiotic idea of Villanova moving up from I-AA. Villanova had the same issue with Football facilities (mainly stadium) that Temple did yet the Big East was willing to throw money at 'Nova's problem. Yet Villanova would never have been able to sustain a I-A program on its own.

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I think Temples attendance was a big concern and might have been the deciding factor..... They had been warned about that, and having a decent permanent football home.

 

[Ru2bnj]

I never had a problem with Temple football....actually wish them well. Any loss by PSU is a good loss to me.

 

[Knight_Light]

If temple ever dumps real $ into the prgram....they could be a power

Define power and also where will Temple get the money to dump? (Temple is only getting approx $2 Million for their TV/Bowl deals...while many P5 teams will be getting $25 Million - $30 Million annual).

Some of Temple's best players on the field now were recruited by not one but two former coaches.

Temple returned 19-20 starters...hence why many in national media thought they could win their AAC Division this year.

FOXSPORTS.COM Predicts Temple to win AAC Division and go 10-2
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-tigers-niu-group-5-independents-picks-081415

Huge feature preseason piece in USA TODAY on Temple's rebuilding efforts
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...0709313&PID=6146927&SID=id317ijirv001vmn00dth

Now can Temple keep it up when they have massive turnover over next 1-2 years?

Maybe...maybe not...but they still could be a good program in the AAC.

PS. Temple not having a right size stadium (outside games vs Penn State and ND) still hurts that program...as playing in front of 40,000 empty seats is never a good thing and can kill home field advantage.

 

[StyleKnight]

It would be better for us if we beat an undefeated Penn state. Now when we beat them everyone will say, "it's not a big deal they lost to Temple already".

 

[Knight_Light]

It would be better for us if Penn State goes 0-12 each and every year.

FIFY

 

[Extra Point]

I would have preferred a narrow PSU win... Let sleeping dogs lie.

This. Penn State is going to fix their problems that Temple exposed and they may beat us at their place. After the Temple game I have had a couple people tell me that Rutgers will beat Penn State because Temple beat them and they think Temple isn't very good. A loss to Penn State after Temple beat them would make our team look very average.

 

[DHajekRC84]

bad for the league but good for the soul...:cool2:

(especially after watching the 2hr 2014 investigative documentary on Sandusky thing last night)

 

[RU#1fan]

Bad for the B1G image. Great for RU fans on the embarrassing lost for our our arch enemy TSFP.

Continued success at Temple could negatively impact RU recruiting. We have already seen numerous Recruits pass on RU offers and accept Temple offers ( DB Ali, S Chandler, QB Walker, DL Dogbe, etc.) .

Good News...Bad News

 

[Knight_Light]

Bad for the B1G image. Great for RU fans on the embarrassing lost for our our arch enemy TSFP.

Continued success at Temple could negatively impact RU recruiting. We have already seen numerous Recruits pass on RU offers and accept Temple offers ( DB Ali, S Chandler, QB Walker, DL Dogbe, etc.) .

Good News...Bad News

Which is more of an annual recruiting threat to RU?

A successful Temple team in the AAC?

or

A successful Penn State team in the Big Ten?

 

[seels2662]

I think its GREAT. Because it wasn't some dumb luck loss like Nebraska or something you can say "well they lost but they are still in good shape". They have some serious issues that prevent them from being a good team. And they can't fix those problems in two weeks. We have serious problems of our own, lets hope our problems are not worse then their problems.

 

[albanyknight]

Until We beat Penn State, the Temple game means nothing.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Temple does not have real dollars. They have no fan base. They are going no where
It was a big win for them

Good points, plus their campus is lousy and in one of the worst sections of Philly.

They hadn't beaten Pen St in over 70 years so it was a huge win for them.
But it's the same Pen St team that in recent seasons lost to Indiana and Illinois and what has that done for those programs? Not much.

It's not as if Temple beat a real powerhouse football squad.
But they deserve credit and have a few NJ players that Rutgers should have offered (Walker, Ioannidis and Thomas the three that jump right out).

 

[sct1111]

This Temple team is pretty good. Who is to say that for certain that WE beat this Temple team?

 

[BoroKnight]

Beating Penn State is a much bigger deal for Temple than it was for Indiana and Illinois, so I don't get the comparison there. It's a great win and does give them some regional credibility, but the bottom line is they are still in the American and most of their games will draw minimal crowds to the Linc, and that's what recruits will see. The Owls' home conference slate is Tulane, UCF, Memphis and Connecticut. Memphis seems like it's getting its act together, but still ... there will not be any sellouts screaming for Temple in conference games.

And while it's bad -- really bad -- for a Big Ten team to lose to an opponent it hasn't lost to in decades, it's just too damn much fun to see Penn State lose. To anybody. At any time. We might not be rivals, but that's the school we're aiming at. Nothing good can happen to them that will be good for us.

 

[Queztastic]

Which is more of an annual recruiting threat to RU?

A successful Temple team in the AAC?

or

A successful Penn State team in the Big Ten?

Exactly. Provided that we beat PSU, them having a down year will help our recruiting more than us beating a 2-0 PSU squad.

 

[Owlfan_in_North Jersey]

Trekology is kind of correct on how our ouster played out but in truth, our president at the time orchestrated it. He was not a pro sports individual and did his best to cut our basketball programs budget and was determined to eliminate football. He gave the BE presidents and all in or nothing demand and we all know how they voted. It didn't help that although the program was showing signs of life when you compare it to the 1991 thru 1999 squads, it still wasn't enough to give us any leverage to make that type of demand.

For those of you that think we remain the TU of old, you're going to be quite surprised. Our new president who was president of a Big 10 university is pro sports and truly gets it. He knows how much football translates into PR, student involvement and more importantly donor giving. He, along with our BOT are strongly behind building an on campus stadium and before any of you question that there is no room to build it, that too, would be incorrect. The sight for it has already been chosen if the project ever materializes. It would be a 35k venue to start with possibility to expand to 45k if and when that need arose. It'd be right in the same wheelhouse as Nippert or Alumni Stadium and those size venues work perfectly for Cincy and BC.

This isn't the Temple of the1990s that couldn't get out of its own way. Lots of overdue changes are occurring and as for Matt Rhule being picked off by a P5 school, while its always possible, his wife loves Philadelphia and has a nice position working at the university so I'm sure she'll have a say on the matter. We'll see how it all plays out, but in the meantime I'm going to enjoy the 2015 season because Saturday's outcome was for all of us long suffering fans that witnessed many years of god awful football.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Temple winning is almost irrelevant

State penn losing is hilarious in any situation