That Temple win vs psu.. good or bad?

[Owlfan_in_North Jersey]

Is it? Big 10 isn't so mighty if it can't beat schools from G5 conferences. I expect PSU to bounce back. Season is far from over for them to write it off. It however was extremely satisfying to see obnoxious fans of that school slink out with their tail between their legs.

We gave them a dose of their own medicine that they gave to all of the Eastern schools while I was growing up.

I was at the 1995 RU-PSU game when Paterno pulled that classless move against Doug Graber to beat the point spread. I was hoping we would humiliate them a bit more when we were driving in the 4th quarter, but Matt Rhule showed class and cut that big mouth James Franklin further embarrassment.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Is it? Big 10 isn't so mighty if it can't beat schools from G5 conferences. I expect PSU to bounce back. Season is far from over for them to write it off. It however was extremely satisfying to see obnoxious fans of that school slink out with their tail between their legs.

We gave them a dose of their own medicine that they gave to all of the Eastern schools while I was growing up.

I was at the 1995 RU-PSU game when Paterno pulled that classless move against Doug Graber to beat the point spread. I was hoping we would humiliate them a bit more when we were driving in the 4th quarter, but Matt Rhule showed class and cut that big mouth James Franklin further embarrassment.

Technically, it was quarterback Mike McQueary’s reported (e.g., proven) gambling habit....

http://www.bettingtalk.com/controve...ball-game-revisited-mcqueary-gambling-report/

 

[graystork]

Which is more of an annual recruiting threat to RU?

A successful Temple team in the AAC?

or

A successful Penn State team in the Big Ten?

Knight_Light for the win

 

[Frabjous]

Philadelphian here. Temple has a well-heeled alumni base, and they are dying to be more than a basketball school. And the students are bonkers about beating PSU. If Temple pumps some money into their program, and even builds an on campus stadium, a la Tulane, Rutgers will have big big recruiting headaches.

 

[MikeRU1766]

OF COURSE Temple winning is better for Rutgers! Why is that you ask? Because this game CLEARLY puts a MAJOR CRACK in the foundation of James Franklin as a capable coach. People have said Franklin is an elite recruiter, but an average to below average x's and o's type coach.

THIS GAME CLEARLY INCREASES THOSE WHISPERS! The offense HAD to improve this year and was rightly expected to improve. And yet they come out and lay an egg against a Temple team and give up 10 sacks!?!?!

So anyway this is the first game of the season so plenty can change..... that is why I said this game is only a "crack" in James Franklin's foundation. But if there are more games like this during the season it will become VERY clear that the rumors are correct and Franklin isn't much of a player developer and isn't much of an x's and o's type coach.

 

[PaKnight]

One game, doesn't mean much.

 

[RU848789]

I don't see Temple as a threat to RU in football. We have many advantages over them, most notably conference affiliation, stadium, fan base, etc. I think a decent Temple program - which it has clearly become, at least for awhile - will be more harmful to Syracuse, BC, UConn, and possibly Pitt than to us, in terms of recruiting.

PSU on the other hand is the real threat so any setback to them is good for us, though none would be moreso than an RU victory out there in two weeks. The way in which Temple dominated the Nits on Saturday has really put Franklin under a microscope and hopefully, in the weeks ahead, his flaws will be exposed even further. Turmoil in not-so-happy valley in general will be good for us. A losing season for them would also be nice since it would deny them a bowl game, which they never should have been permitted to have last season. Cutting their sanctions in half was a travesty, IMHO.

Agreed. Can't even believe anyone is asking this question. We always want PSU to lose/struggle, based on principle (arrogant db fans, their history vs. RU, and, of course, the unholy Sandusky/Paterno/PSU-pod-people trinity) and Temple being in a non-P5 conference, by definition means they'll never be more than a modest threat to us, recruiting-wise. I loved seeing the Owls spank the Nits.

 

[RU#1fan]

Good points, plus their campus is lousy and in one of the worst sections of Philly.

They hadn't beaten Pen St in over 70 years so it was a huge win for them.
But it's the same Pen St team that in recent seasons lost to Indiana and Illinois and what has that done for those programs? Not much.

It's not as if Temple beat a real powerhouse football squad.
But they deserve credit and have a few NJ players that Rutgers should have offered (Walker, Ioannidis and Thomas the three that jump right out).

Uhhhhhh. Rutgers offered Walker but he choose Temple instead . There are many players on Temple that turned down RU offers.
Watch what happens to RU recruiting if we beat State Penn for a couple of years in a row..

 

[PaKnight]

Uhhhhhh. Rutgers offered Walker but he choose Temple instead . There are many players on Temple that turned down RU offers.
Watch what happens to RU recruiting if we beat State Penn for a couple of years in a row..

At LB, he wanted to be a QB.

 

[Nipsy Hussl]

LB ?

Rutgers fans shouldn't be concerned as players that choose Temple over RU as opposed to all the players from NJ who Rutgers doesn't offer. There's probably a half dozen who have played in the NFL over the last few years and another half dozen who would have been two year starters...

 

[Kbee3]

At LB, he wanted to be a QB.

Exactly.
And Walker and the RB from Elizabeth were both 2-star recruits. As was the DT from Ringoes.
The list of recruits that select Temple over Rutgers is a very, very short one. And there's not much chance of that changing any time soon.

 

[RU#1fan]

Exactly.
And Walker and the RB from Elizabeth were both 2-star recruits. As was the DT from Ringoes.
The list of recruits that select Temple over Rutgers is a very, very short one. And there's not much chance of that changing any time soon.

The list is longer than you think.

At LB, he wanted to be a QB.

Point is he had offers for both schools and choose Temple.
NJ players like Walker, Ali, Chandler, Cook, Dogbe in the last 3 years taking an Temple offer over a RU offer is a concern. On the flip side Franklins' s demise ( we hope) should help RU keeping some NJ talent home.

 

[Owlfan_in_North Jersey]

Think both schools can be successful in their own ways. Coaching staff has done job recruiting and it's night and day better than in the past when we had nitwits as head coaches.

To the poster who inquired where we are getting money to keep the momentum going, TU just signed a 30 million dollar deal with UA so that's a good start. Many of you probably don't know that the G5 split the bowl proceeds earned by the G5 NY6 rep. No, we don't earn annual revenues like P5 schools, but we do a hell of a lot better than we did as a MAC and A10 hybrid member.

No doubt, our past administration ineptness put us 20 years behind our Eastern peers, but you're all kidding yourselves if you think TU will revert to its 1990s way of thinking.

Not worried about P5 invites now. Cincy is the front-runner for that anyway, but the new administration will see to it that we're not going to be an afterthought. After what I've had to endure as an alumnus for nearly 30 years, I'm buying into their vision. We'll see.

 

[Knight_Light]

Is it? Big 10 isn't so mighty if it can't beat schools from G5 conferences. I expect PSU to bounce back. Season is far from over for them to write it off. It however was extremely satisfying to see obnoxious fans of that school slink out with their tail between their legs.

We gave them a dose of their own medicine that they gave to all of the Eastern schools while I was growing up.

I was at the 1995 RU-PSU game when Paterno pulled that classless move against Doug Graber to beat the point spread. I was hoping we would humiliate them a bit more when we were driving in the 4th quarter, but Matt Rhule showed class and cut that big mouth James Franklin further embarrassment.

One or two or even 3 weak teams in a 14 team P5 conf doesn't mean the conference is weak.

Big Ten teams have lost to G5 teams almost on a yearly basis (1 or 2 even lost to Div I-AA teams), as have other conferences...but its not doomsday as there are better G5 teams than P5 teams on an annual basis...but it doesn't mean the overall conf is weak.

No one thought the Big 10 was stacked deep this year and opening weekend didn't help change that thought processes (NW win was a good one).

 

[thegock]

LB ?

Rutgers fans shouldn't be concerned as players that choose Temple over RU as opposed to all the players from NJ who Rutgers doesn't offer. There's probably a half dozen who have played in the NFL over the last few years and another half dozen who would have been two year starters...

Thought it was DB, not LB, IIRC?

 

[vkj91]

Uhhhhhh. Rutgers offered Walker but he choose Temple instead . There are many players on Temple that turned down RU offers.
Watch what happens to RU recruiting if we beat State Penn for a couple of years in a row..

No there aren't. How come when we get a kid over a "power" school our fans are quick to say his offer wasn't committable but never mention it the other way? Ali is the only kid we really wanted(IIRC) and the rest were safety offers or at different positions like Walker. You still think Webb chose a Temple over us?

 

[Knight_Light]

Walker was the #15 ranked NJ recruit in 2013...(5.4 rating, highest 2 star rating) as rivals noted:

15. QB PJ Walker - Elizabeth
Previous Ranking: 17
Status: Committed to Temple
The latest: Walker had a stellar senior season, leading Elizabeth to another state title game and a win in the final minute. Walker was electric as a dual-threat quarterback, hurting defenses with both his arm and his legs. Walker has the ability to thrive in a spread offense at the college level and could be in for some early playing time at Temple

He was also the 3rd ranked QB from NJ by rivals in 2013:

3.)PJ Walker - Elizabeth
Committed to Temple
Walker can make defenses pay in a big way with both his arm and his legs. Walker is very elusive in the open field and forces defenses to respect the run, which in turn opens up the passing game. He was a bit under-recruited but remains one of the top 15 prospects in the state and should have a bright future at Temple.

 

[ScarletDave]

Don't see how PSU going 0-12 can hurt Rutgers in any way. Before you say oh wanna beat good teams, SOS etc, well than stop scheduling Norfolk and Howard. There are plenty of teams we can play that can go 11-1 for all I care and make us look good. But this 1 team, PSU, can lose em all.

 

[srru86]

Trekology is kind of correct on how our ouster played out but in truth, our president at the time orchestrated it. He was not a pro sports individual and did his best to cut our basketball programs budget and was determined to eliminate football. He gave the BE presidents and all in or nothing demand and we all know how they voted. It didn't help that although the program was showing signs of life when you compare it to the 1991 thru 1999 squads, it still wasn't enough to give us any leverage to make that type of demand.

Yes the BE (and TV schedulers) were not happy Temple could not promise a place top play any given Saturday. It makes me crazy when people say "Why was Temple thrown out for losing?" That had nothing to do with it. What Owlfan mentioned above is a much bigger deal. But the key thing was while Temple was cashing BE football payments they starved the program for cash. At the same time building a beautiful new hoops arena for their A10 basketball team. That is why when the former Temple boss tried to strong arm the BE Presidents they said "Get out".

 

[derleider]

how should we as RU fans look at this win?

- Does Temple winning this game give them some street cred in the recruiting game and allow them to elevate their program to the point where we compete with them, especially for philly area recruits? Right now the power in northeast football in order is: psu, rutgers,/maryland, pitt/bc, temple/syracuse and uconn. Can we afford to have temple being a realistic option for solid 1a players from southeast PA? We have been very successful in this region and can't afford to lose this territory.
(our starting 2TE's, FB, RG, RT, NG, 2 good RBs and our best RB recruit from last year's class, along with some of our top recruits for next year's class are all from southeast PA). Very important territory for RU FB.

- or is it better for us that temple beat penn state and did much damage to the momentum the psu program was having. If we want to overtake them as top program in the northeast, we will need their momentum to slow down a bit. It had been real high, up until this temple loss. That game has the whole program questioning whether this Franklin regime is actually for real or not. We cant afford a surging pen state at the same time as we are having some issues.

It really depends on how we do.

If we lose to PSU, then I could see it hurting us more than PSU winning would have. PSU is going to be a recrutiing challenge for us even if they are 1-11. Temple will only be if they are seen as a top 25 type team.

On the other hand, if we beat PSU, then I think it helps. Because while PSU will always be a challenge, its one we can win if we are seen as being the premier program in the area, and Franklin is seen as kind of a fraud.

So basically - we had better beat them.

 

[Owlfan_in_North Jersey]

• For the record, the BE earnings didn't pay for the arena but we're placed into a general university fund that the school used for all programs as part of the annual subsidy. It was without question small time thinking. There was no reason to field 20 sports, particularly when our annual A10 earnings were peanuts. All I know is that the Philly media has talked non stop about this win for our program since Saturday night and if the 6th largest media market gets behind us, then that can't be a bad thing for others to eventually do the same thing.

 

[rube1859]

The last thing I want to face is a PSU team with its back to the wall b/c I almost feel like it'll end up like last year's game.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The last thing I want to face is a PSU team with its back to the wall b/c I almost feel like it'll end up like last year's game.

I want their back in a pile of horse shat...being pissed that you suck will not make their OL better or their LB's heathy. It wont even make Franklin a better coach.
Temple winning is the best thing ever and I want Buffalo to embarrass them.

Rhule at Temple is very smart. He understands what kids he can get right now and plays to their strength. The only kid that really "chose" Temple over RU since they moved up to the AAC and us to the B1G is Ali and we know the story there.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

The last thing I want to face is a PSU team with its back to the wall b/c I almost feel like it'll end up like last year's game.

Eh, last year Michigan had their backs to the wall when they played us and it it didn't work out so well for them.

When I hear "back to the wall", I really understand what it is code for: a bad team.

 

[Kbee3]

No there aren't. How come when we get a kid over a "power" school our fans are quick to say his offer wasn't committable but never mention it the other way? Ali is the only kid we really wanted(IIRC) and the rest were safety offers or at different positions like Walker. You still think Webb chose a Temple over us?

Exactly.
Any list of guys who broke RU's heart by picking Temple would include ONE GUY....Kareem Ali.
That's it.

 

[Jeismeister]

It would be better for us if we beat an undefeated Penn state. Now when we beat them everyone will say, "it's not a big deal they lost to Temple already".

Don't worry. You are not going to beat PSU. Moot point.

 

[RU#1fan]

No there aren't. How come when we get a kid over a "power" school our fans are quick to say his offer wasn't committable but never mention it the other way? Ali is the only kid we really wanted(IIRC) and the rest were safety offers or at different positions like Walker. You still think Webb chose a Temple over us?

No I don't . Webb was a known academic liability and not offered by us
Fact is 5 players choose Temple over RU since 2013... Whether or not they were " dream players that RU coveted ". We should not be losing any Offered players to the Owls.

 

[thegock]

Don't worry. You are not going to beat PSU. Moot point.

Says a ttfp fan whose first message here is because he is embarrassed to post under his old nic. Did you post the same thing on the Temple board last week?

See you in 10 days.

 

[Jeismeister]

Says a ttfp fan whose first message here is because he is embarrassed to post under his old nic. Did you post the same thing on the Temple board last week?

See you in 10 days.

Temple is better than Rutgers. You'll find that out in 2 weeks. I already know it.

 

[derleider]

Temple is better than Rutgers. You'll find that out in 2 weeks. I already know it.

Temple was also like 17 points better than PSU. We only need to be 1 point better to win.

 

[Jeismeister]

Penn State will be favored and cover.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Suspect that PSU is going to be one of those "you never know what you are going to get" kind of teams - talent has peaks & some real thin spots ... and from a game strategy standpoint, seems to get bogged down by extensive bouts of comprehensive 'operator error' .... There will be games where everything unfolds in a way that goes up against their talents - and the operator ineptitude will have little consequence - then there will be getting beat by Temple by 17 points.

 

[derleider]

Penn State will be favored and cover.

If I were you guys, I would just worry about getting past Buffalo.

 

[RUforlife]

Penn State will eventually get its act together, their program basically has the ability to print money. Why anybody would want another FBS school located an hour away from our campus to have any success is beyond me. Yes, they are in the AAC, but they can still be an attractive alternative to a midland B1G Rutgers if they begin to dominate their conference. Why would additional competition in Eastern PA and Southern NJ be a good thing? A successful Temple football program will dominate the Philly news market over the state university of NJ, not even debatable and exactly how is that good for us? The best thing for Rutgers is if the Temple administration comes to its senses and realizes that they are an inner city basketball school and finally drop football altogether.

 

[Kbee3]

If I were you guys, I would just worry about getting past Buffalo.

Well said.
Anybody know the spread on this game ?

 

[motorb54]

Isn't Temple a senior laden team which is likely to be their best team for awhile?
Doesn't mean Temple is about to become a year after year
threat for the Lambert Trophy Beating PSU this year is good
as long as we do the same.
Want PSU to be less attractive to the bowls if both Rutgers and Penn State are eligible
Ideally PSU has less than 6 wins and stays home in bowl season.
Go Buffalo!

 

[derleider]

Isn't Temple a senior laden team which is likely to be their best team for awhile?
Doesn't mean Temple is about to become a year after year
threat for the Lambert Trophy Beating PSU this year is good
as long as we do the same.
Want PSU to be less attractive to the bowls if both Rutgers and Penn State are eligible
Ideally PSU has less than 6 wins and stays home in bowl season.
Go Buffalo!

Us winning is the key. I dont think Temple will become a perennial favorite, but if both RU and PSU are seen as struggling, one would think that a good Temple team would be attractive to locals. On the other hand, if you have your choice of a 9 win Temple and say an 7 or 8 win RU< both win wins over PSU - then it would be hard to see many people taking Temple.