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The Alley will return!

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But not this year- From NJ.com - I did not provide a link as it would upset our neurotic fan base.

NEW BRUNSWICKRutgers Athletics Director Pat Hobbs announced Thursday the school will reopen a student tailgate area known as "The Alley" for football games at High Point Solutions Stadium.

But it won't be this year.

"The reality is the current site is just not big enough so we've identified two new sites but unfortunately, neither one is available this year," Hobbs said in a video posted to social media. "We want the spirit of the Alley to continue."
 
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Get ready for a lamed down version of the Alley (in the eyes of Rutgers students).

You can't responsibly create an area like this that will be considered fun for the 18-20 year olds.
 
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anyone know where it will be next year?

in the video that was released via Twitter yesterday Hobbs said they had two places they were looking at that they could move the alley to. Nothing more specific than that.
 
Read 1/3 of it. That was interesting.

Troubling to read, but interesting nonetheless.

The ending paragraphs summarized it...

*****
This then is the challenge of analyzing MacArthur. He was a pompous bastard to his troops and to his subordinate generals, and an insubordinate self-righteous arrogant insufferable pain-in-the-arse to his superiors. He was a complete and utter failure as commander of the Phillipines national defences, and an appalling disaster as a manager of allies. He failed whenever he came near a battlefield, and succeeded only when good generals won battles for him - in which case he treated them and their men with contempt and refused to acknowledge them. (When Eichelberger's staff tried to recommend him for a Medal of Honor it was no surprise that MacArthur refused.) It is not possible to imagine any front line soldier in possession of the facts ever desiring to serve under such a person.

On the other hand, he was the closest thing to a strategic thinker that the Americans possessed, and his geopolitical knowledge and understanding during the war possibly came second only to Churchill (certainly above that of the arch manipulator Stalin). Although he was a disaster in direct command, he almost certainly had the ability to organize the actual outcome of the war from a Washington desk far better than did Marshall or Roosevelt. There can be absolutely no shadow of a doubt that some of the ancient European capitals that Marshall and Eisenhower happily left to the tender mercies of the Soviets would have been on the NATO side of the Iron Curtain had MacArthur been in Washington. Perhaps his megalomania would have got him into trouble here to, but the fundamental clarity of his vision at this level could hardly have caused bigger post-war issues than the mess but was actually delivered. Probably Roosevelt or Truman would have found it necessary to sack him anyway, but certainly it would have been an interesting ride.

But the vital point is his attitude to defeated nations, and his brilliance at converting them too loyal allies. Only the very best military leaders in history have been able to achieve this successfully. Alexander the Great, Charlemagne, the Dukes of Marlborough and Wellington, and very few others. The whole world should be grateful that it was Douglas MacArthur, an American not caught up by the fantasy of American democracy, who converted one of the oldest and proudest imperial states into a modern and loyal constitutional monarchy. For that, and that alone, it is almost possible to forgive the rest of the MacArthur myth, and accept him as one of the great captains of history.

The reality though, this is not the stuff of great generals. MacArthur was a brilliant imperial administrator and Governor, with great practical insight and vision when it came to dealing with defeated states on fair terms. But it is not possible to call him a good general.​
 
The ending paragraphs summarized it...

*****
This then is the challenge of analyzing MacArthur. He was a pompous bastard to his troops and to his subordinate generals, and an insubordinate self-righteous arrogant insufferable pain-in-the-arse to his superiors. He was a complete and utter failure as commander of the Phillipines national defences, and an appalling disaster as a manager of allies. He failed whenever he came near a battlefield, and succeeded only when good generals won battles for him - in which case he treated them and their men with contempt and refused to acknowledge them. (When Eichelberger's staff tried to recommend him for a Medal of Honor it was no surprise that MacArthur refused.) It is not possible to imagine any front line soldier in possession of the facts ever desiring to serve under such a person.

On the other hand, he was the closest thing to a strategic thinker that the Americans possessed, and his geopolitical knowledge and understanding during the war possibly came second only to Churchill (certainly above that of the arch manipulator Stalin). Although he was a disaster in direct command, he almost certainly had the ability to organize the actual outcome of the war from a Washington desk far better than did Marshall or Roosevelt. There can be absolutely no shadow of a doubt that some of the ancient European capitals that Marshall and Eisenhower happily left to the tender mercies of the Soviets would have been on the NATO side of the Iron Curtain had MacArthur been in Washington. Perhaps his megalomania would have got him into trouble here to, but the fundamental clarity of his vision at this level could hardly have caused bigger post-war issues than the mess but was actually delivered. Probably Roosevelt or Truman would have found it necessary to sack him anyway, but certainly it would have been an interesting ride.

But the vital point is his attitude to defeated nations, and his brilliance at converting them too loyal allies. Only the very best military leaders in history have been able to achieve this successfully. Alexander the Great, Charlemagne, the Dukes of Marlborough and Wellington, and very few others. The whole world should be grateful that it was Douglas MacArthur, an American not caught up by the fantasy of American democracy, who converted one of the oldest and proudest imperial states into a modern and loyal constitutional monarchy. For that, and that alone, it is almost possible to forgive the rest of the MacArthur myth, and accept him as one of the great captains of history.

The reality though, this is not the stuff of great generals. MacArthur was a brilliant imperial administrator and Governor, with great practical insight and vision when it came to dealing with defeated states on fair terms. But it is not possible to call him a good general.​


Yeah MacArthur is a complex figure. Beloved by the public and obviously a war hero during WW2, but also had a dark side. See his role in the Bonus Army Incident, his disobeying direct orders from President Truman, and his campaign for nuclear war against China which almost certainly would have led to world war 3.

He and Patton are among those fascinating complex figures in history. Seems to me that Eisenhower had the best overall qualities of all the generals, and I'll tell you he made a pretty damn good President too.

Wait, what were we talking about again??
 
It's a hijacked thread, but it's a slow football year so I don't see any harm.

Plus just goes to show the diversity and knowledge of our posters.

Quality stuff guys.
 
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Get ready for a lamed down version of the Alley (in the eyes of Rutgers students).

You can't responsibly create an area like this that will be considered fun for the 18-20 year olds.


They're working together on this so I'm not too worried. Treat it like a club:

- ID at the door (gate, whatever)
- Rutgers Student ID to get in
- 21 and over get bracelets
- DJ
- bouncers (experienced) instead of cops
- cops called in only if/when necessary

...honestly, I mentioned this once before, I'd put a giant plastic tarp over the field inside the bubble and have it there. I know it's a "pipe dream" type of scenario but had to throw it out there again!
 
They're working together on this so I'm not too worried. Treat it like a club:

- ID at the door (gate, whatever)
- Rutgers Student ID to get in
- 21 and over get bracelets
- DJ
- bouncers (experienced) instead of cops
- cops called in only if/when necessary

...honestly, I mentioned this once before, I'd put a giant plastic tarp over the field inside the bubble and have it there. I know it's a "pipe dream" type of scenario but had to throw it out there again!

But do you really think the 18-20 year olds will have fun and hangout for 3 hours + if they can't drink?

And if they don't show up then the 21 + year olds won't show.

We'll see how it plays out but I have my doubts.

I give credit to Hobbs for caring and trying to make it work but I dunno how it's possible to make the kids happy in a school sponsored area and also make sure the University protects itself.
 
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As for McArthur - he was a better politician than General. As a General he just faded away!

As for the Alley - it to shall return and so shall the students!
 
The ending paragraphs summarized it...

*****
This then is the challenge of analyzing MacArthur. He was a pompous bastard to his troops and to his subordinate generals, and an insubordinate self-righteous arrogant insufferable pain-in-the-arse to his superiors. He was a complete and utter failure as commander of the Phillipines national defences, and an appalling disaster as a manager of allies. He failed whenever he came near a battlefield, and succeeded only when good generals won battles for him - in which case he treated them and their men with contempt and refused to acknowledge them. (When Eichelberger's staff tried to recommend him for a Medal of Honor it was no surprise that MacArthur refused.) It is not possible to imagine any front line soldier in possession of the facts ever desiring to serve under such a person.

On the other hand, he was the closest thing to a strategic thinker that the Americans possessed, and his geopolitical knowledge and understanding during the war possibly came second only to Churchill (certainly above that of the arch manipulator Stalin). Although he was a disaster in direct command, he almost certainly had the ability to organize the actual outcome of the war from a Washington desk far better than did Marshall or Roosevelt. There can be absolutely no shadow of a doubt that some of the ancient European capitals that Marshall and Eisenhower happily left to the tender mercies of the Soviets would have been on the NATO side of the Iron Curtain had MacArthur been in Washington. Perhaps his megalomania would have got him into trouble here to, but the fundamental clarity of his vision at this level could hardly have caused bigger post-war issues than the mess but was actually delivered. Probably Roosevelt or Truman would have found it necessary to sack him anyway, but certainly it would have been an interesting ride.

But the vital point is his attitude to defeated nations, and his brilliance at converting them too loyal allies. Only the very best military leaders in history have been able to achieve this successfully. Alexander the Great, Charlemagne, the Dukes of Marlborough and Wellington, and very few others. The whole world should be grateful that it was Douglas MacArthur, an American not caught up by the fantasy of American democracy, who converted one of the oldest and proudest imperial states into a modern and loyal constitutional monarchy. For that, and that alone, it is almost possible to forgive the rest of the MacArthur myth, and accept him as one of the great captains of history.

The reality though, this is not the stuff of great generals. MacArthur was a brilliant imperial administrator and Governor, with great practical insight and vision when it came to dealing with defeated states on fair terms. But it is not possible to call him a good general.​

Nice quote. I'm not the history buff some here are, but that's about the gist I remember from Mr. Mahoney's history class. One of my best teachers and most interesting classes in HS.
 
But do you really think the 18-20 year olds will have fun and hangout for 3 hours + if they can't drink?

And if they don't show up then the 21 + year olds won't show.

We'll see how it plays out but I have my doubts.

I give credit to Hobbs for caring and trying to make it work but I dunno how it's possible to make the kids happy in a school sponsored area and also make sure the University protects itself.

Wasn't the whole scene about the DJ and party atmosphere?

Here's a timeless formula for you:

Drink like an underage college student ahead of time, including on the bus ride there.

Go to massive tailgating party and football game and have an awesome time.

Sneak alcohol into said massive tailgating party and maybe football game and keep your buzz/drunken stupor rolling all day

Repeat for all home games.

Looking back on my own college experience this worked brilliantly not only for football games but for Rutgers Fest/Ag Field Day, countless concerts around the tristate area, all other sporting events, 4th of July fireworks, going to the beach, pretty much any other activity I felt like drinking ahead of time/during. You didn't actually have to get served legally to make it work. It's also the same thing they'd be doing if they pre-gamed at home, and the same thing tens of thousands of of-age fans will be doing prior to entering a dry stadium.
 
You whine an awful lot for somebody who hasn't actually experienced much of anything.

That was whining? Lol.

You like to stroke yourself a lot for somebody who has dumb ideas.

You've been touting this "Hamsterdam" idea for the past two years. It will either be:

1) Uncool in the eyes of students and fail

Or

2) A massive risk for the university which will eventually lead to another black eye when something happens and it received the stamp of approval from Hobbs and the university.

Keep strokin' though.
 
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They called it The Alley cause of the site and shape of the location. They'll have to re-name it based on new location.

But I like the idea of having a "Knight Club" for 21 and having the younger folks in The Alley nearby since they can't get in the club.

(well it sounds cool to me anyway )
 
That was whining? Lol.

You like to stroke yourself a lot for somebody who has dumb ideas.

You've been touting this "Hamsterdam" idea for the past two years. It will either be:

1) Uncool in the eyes of students and fail

Or

2) A massive risk for the university which will eventually lead to another black eye when something happens and it received the stamp of approval from Hobbs and the university.

Keep strokin' though.

Since you don't have any actual solutions, we'll just assume you to be the whiny little bitch you come across as.

Seriously. You're one of the least competent people on this board, but you piss and moan like a f*ckin' Kardashian.

Come to think of it, your best chance at success is probably a video of you getting it in the ass from Jay Z.
 
Since you don't have any actual solutions, we'll just assume you to be the whiny little bitch you come across as.

Seriously. You're one of the least competent people on this board, but you piss and moan like a f*ckin' Kardashian.

Come to think of it, your best chance at success is probably a video of you getting it in the ass from Jay Z.

Lol your butt gets awfully tight when someone questions your opinion.

I never said I had a solution ya doof.

I just know yours won't work and think it will either fail or bring harm to the university or even out AD who is doing a great job.... something we don't need.
 
Since you don't have any actual solutions, we'll just assume you to be the whiny little bitch you come across as.

Seriously. You're one of the least competent people on this board, but you piss and moan like a f*ckin' Kardashian.

Come to think of it, your best chance at success is probably a video of you getting it in the ass from Jay Z.

This is a funny retort, but it was Ray J, a crucial point because it just makes it funnier. Jay Z would have been a score for KK, and maybe S_Janowski, but Ray J ... he's a guy that was known most for having a more talented, famous sister, prior to being the guy that made Kardashian cellulite bounce on video.
 
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This is a funny retort, but it was Ray J, a crucial point because it just makes it funnier. Jay Z would have been a score for KK, and maybe S_Janowski, but Ray J ... he's a guy that was known most for having a more talented, famous sister, prior to being the guy that made Kardashian cellulite bounce on video.

Ray J?

Hmmph. Well hush my mouth.
 
Nothing until next year gives RU time to invite the " A Team " for the ribbon cutting. I love it when a plan comes together.
 
The ending paragraphs summarized it...

*****
This then is the challenge of analyzing MacArthur. He was a pompous bastard to his troops and to his subordinate generals, and an insubordinate self-righteous arrogant insufferable pain-in-the-arse to his superiors. He was a complete and utter failure as commander of the Phillipines national defences, and an appalling disaster as a manager of allies. He failed whenever he came near a battlefield, and succeeded only when good generals won battles for him - in which case he treated them and their men with contempt and refused to acknowledge them. (When Eichelberger's staff tried to recommend him for a Medal of Honor it was no surprise that MacArthur refused.) It is not possible to imagine any front line soldier in possession of the facts ever desiring to serve under such a person.

On the other hand, he was the closest thing to a strategic thinker that the Americans possessed, and his geopolitical knowledge and understanding during the war possibly came second only to Churchill (certainly above that of the arch manipulator Stalin). Although he was a disaster in direct command, he almost certainly had the ability to organize the actual outcome of the war from a Washington desk far better than did Marshall or Roosevelt. There can be absolutely no shadow of a doubt that some of the ancient European capitals that Marshall and Eisenhower happily left to the tender mercies of the Soviets would have been on the NATO side of the Iron Curtain had MacArthur been in Washington. Perhaps his megalomania would have got him into trouble here to, but the fundamental clarity of his vision at this level could hardly have caused bigger post-war issues than the mess but was actually delivered. Probably Roosevelt or Truman would have found it necessary to sack him anyway, but certainly it would have been an interesting ride.

But the vital point is his attitude to defeated nations, and his brilliance at converting them too loyal allies. Only the very best military leaders in history have been able to achieve this successfully. Alexander the Great, Charlemagne, the Dukes of Marlborough and Wellington, and very few others. The whole world should be grateful that it was Douglas MacArthur, an American not caught up by the fantasy of American democracy, who converted one of the oldest and proudest imperial states into a modern and loyal constitutional monarchy. For that, and that alone, it is almost possible to forgive the rest of the MacArthur myth, and accept him as one of the great captains of history.

The reality though, this is not the stuff of great generals. MacArthur was a brilliant imperial administrator and Governor, with great practical insight and vision when it came to dealing with defeated states on fair terms. But it is not possible to call him a good general.​
how many troops died needlesly trying to save his san miguel brewey
 
That was whining? Lol.

You like to stroke yourself a lot for somebody who has dumb ideas.

You've been touting this "Hamsterdam" idea for the past two years. It will either be:

1) Uncool in the eyes of students and fail

Or

2) A massive risk for the university which will eventually lead to another black eye when something happens and it received the stamp of approval from Hobbs and the university.

Keep strokin' though.
This can only mean that the AD has finally adopted my Hamsterdam Plan.
Not sure that handing out free Hamsters to students at the pregame is a good idea. Would students they be able to bring their free hamsters into the stadium or would they have to leave them on the sidewalk?
 
Not sure that handing out free Hamsters to students at the pregame is a good idea. Would students they be able to bring their free hamsters into the stadium or would they have to leave them on the sidewalk?
Depends if they bring a wiffle ball bat...
 
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