Sustain and retain …Pike’s and Rutgers basketball way forward to rebuilding the program

[goru7]

Not sure where you're getting your data from.

Sommerville's shot breakdown:
100% (5-5) - Dunks
65.5% (38-58) - At the Rim
42.3% (30-71) - Other 2P
12.5% (1-8) - Threes

Wow Sean, RU Choppin with some other data. Not as bad as you made it out to be. But definitely can get better at his mid range especially since he is a great foul shooter. After seeing Choppin ‘s stats posted , Lathan has done even better than I thought.

 

[rutgersal]

Next season the only upperclassmen we may have returning are Ogbole, Derkack, Davis, and Williams, with maybe only one of them being a legitimate B1G starter.

Even if you keep Lathan and Grant, we still need at least one or two veteran starters from the portal, either from a power conference or a rising star from a mid-major (like Cam was for us).

Very unlikely we’ll make the tournament by playing primarily freshmen and sophomores as starters.

AND, those freshmen and sophomores, if they’re any good, will either become unaffordable to RU the following year or will seek greener pastures elsewhere.

So, you need a MIX of developing players as well as portal veterans. But, as with any good team, it has to be the RIGHT mix.

It’s easy to say you need a mix of portal veterans, but what we really need is quality portal veterans,
Who can contribute right away. The caliber of portal veterans we landed this year was limited, due to lack of NIL resources, and they made limited contributions. Unless something changes, it looks like our future is to be a developer of talent to other schools, whether it’s freshmen or transfers like Cam Spencer. Hard to compete without adequate support.

 

[seansherm]

That's an odd stat "in the paint" - it counts a 14 footer from just inside the FT line, but not a 7 footer to the side of the basket? I feel like distance stats should be in concentric rings centered on the hoop - it's not like there isn't shot mapping being done out there.

Yeah, I'd have to look into how they figure it, although I do think a ten foot jumper from straight away is much easier than one from the ten foot circle out of the paint, so maybe that's why? Angles and such?

 

[seansherm]

Wow Sean, RU Choppin with some other data. Not as bad as you made it out to be. But definitely can get better at his mid range especially since he is a great foul shooter. After seeing Choppin ‘s stats posted , Lathan has done even better than I thought.

As I said, he's exceeded my expectations for him as a freshman on the offensive end. I really don't expect anything out of freshman.

He does have much work to do though. 50% efg% is below average for a 5, he shoots too much away from the rim (which i think is a product of his height and may always be an issue). He is, no doubt an excellent foul shooter and is decent at drawing them too.

That's the fun of having kids for 4 years, getting to see how their game grows. Hopefully many of these kids stay.

 

[rutgersal]

As I said, he's exceeded my expectations for him as a freshman on the offensive end. I really don't expect anything out of freshman.

He does have much work to do though. 50% efg% is below average for a 5, he shoots too much away from the rim (which i think is a product of his height and may always be an issue). He is, no doubt an excellent foul shooter and is decent at drawing them too.

That's the fun of having kids for 4 years, getting to see how their game grows. Hopefully many of these kids stay.

We can’t rely on hope. We either pony up, or he’s going to leave.

 

[seansherm]

We can’t rely on hope. We either pony up, or he’s going to leave.

I despise NIL talk, but I'm not sure yet he's the level of player you break the bank for. If you are breaking the bank it has to be for HIGH impact. That said, I'd rather $ is used to retain kids.
College coaching must suck now.

 

[higgins3]

Next season the only upperclassmen we may have returning are Ogbole, Derkack, Davis, and Williams, with maybe only one of them being a legitimate B1G starter.

Even if you keep Lathan and Grant, we still need at least one or two veteran starters from the portal, either from a power conference or a rising star from a mid-major (like Cam was for us).

Very unlikely we’ll make the tournament by playing primarily freshmen and sophomores as starters.

AND, those freshmen and sophomores, if they’re any good, will either become unaffordable to RU the following year or will seek greener pastures elsewhere.

So, you need a MIX of developing players as well as portal veterans. But, as with any good team, it has to be the RIGHT mix.

'This is seemingly the way. Pikiell thought though that if he had Dylan and Ace, he could surround them with mediocre role players and all would be good. He didn't properly identify talent, and brought players up mostly through lower d1 programs, and d2 programs.

 

[rutgershoopsinsider]

Yes ….its a rebuild, when we only recruit 7 freshmen and three years and have one on the roster (Jmike ).

I’m not gojng to get into how and why we got here ….but to get out of it …pike needs guys in his program to get to their junior and senior year that can play his defensive system :..rebound and be tough on the court

Our system is not built on winning throigh the portal

So simply put …it means SUSTAIN and RETAIN

1.) Sustain recruting . The class of 2024’, even without Ace and Dylan here …has two legit 4 star kids in sommerville and grant , and a 150-200 kid in Dortch .

The class of 2025 has two similar type kids in mark and Nuwili , and two more in the 150/200 range in Powers and ware .

We need to continue to sign classes like this that have 2-3 top 125 prospects per year …and a couple of more solid depth pieces in them. We need two more classes like this …to rebuild a roster .

2.) Retain ….we cannot come into a year again with a completely turned over roster .

We must ….must retain the guys to develop a nucleus and foundation and restabkished continuity . I mean, have of a new team every year …you even after teach them how to practice your way .

Must keep
Lathan
Dylan G
Bryce
JaMichael
Jordan
Emmanuel Ogoble

Then …the year after …derkack and Ogoble are done , and we can return 8 guys ..and we really need to keep at least 6 of them, and preferable 7….to bring a soph /frosh dominated team to a junior /soph teams .



Both sustain and retain take NIL $$$ . That needs to be addressed

But we aren’t going to get it done in the portal….this is how pike and staff get the most out of the program

Sustain and retain ….

Pin that one :…that’s what we gotta do

Nothing is a guarantee at all
Have to build off the fly
Nobody has any idea of who is staying or leaving, it all depends on personnel changes
Rutgers needs an NIL manager to manage all of this

 

[Fat Koko]

Nothing is a guarantee at all
Have to build off the fly
Nobody has any idea of who is staying or leaving, it all depends on personnel changes
Rutgers needs an NIL manager to manage all of this

Rutgers has an NIL general manager, Reed Zak.