The Big Ten is blocking the Big 12's championship game effort, could spark conference realignment
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Hope it does. I like most of the teams in the Big 12 more than other conferences, but they need to have a championship game to make this thing fair.
Couple a 12 team Big 12 with eliminating special Notre Dame exemptions and the entire college football system is improved. If this happened, it would force the ACC to add one, Big 12 add 2. then 68 of the 128 teams would be in the P5.
Now expand playoffs to 8. Each P5 champion, and the highest ranked non-P5 conference title game champion are guaranteed spots. Remaining 2 spots go to highest ranked non-champions. Eliminate the BS committee subjectivity. Every team, in a conference with a championship game, then has a direct path to the playoffs.
Now expand playoffs to 8. Each P5 champion, and the highest ranked non-P5 conference title game champion are guaranteed spots. Remaining 2 spots go to highest ranked non-champions. Eliminate the BS committee subjectivity. Every team, in a conference with a championship game, then has a direct path to the playoffs.
Good. Too damn bad that Texas, the school that runs that conference doesn't want to have two more schools to split proceeds with.
Spread your millions among two more teams Texas. Then you can have all the conference championships you want.
Spread your millions among two more teams Texas. Then you can have all the conference championships you want.
The headline is just wrong. The B1G amendment would allow the Big 12 to conduct a conference championship game with a 10-team conference, provided they divide their conference into two divisions. Read Bowlsy's second quote in the article,
From a scheduling standpoint, they could still hold a round-robin conference schedule and the conference championship game being a repeat 100% of the time. The problem is a North-South split will put the two Oklahoma schools in different divisions and the north (West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State) will be the weaker division which has always been the problem with the Big 12 (an East-West alignment would likely result in the same team splits). The Big 12 would have divisions like the ACC does... ones that make no geographic sense in order to attempt to maintain a competitive balance.
The Big 12 wants to have an ADVANTAGE over the other P5 conferences. If Florida defeated Alabama this past Saturday, then Stanford makes the playoffs and the SEC is the conference that was locked out of the playoff. (Remember early in the season where many people here identified the SEC bias in the early polls and Southern Gentleman argued against us?) Given the deregulation proposal, the conference championship games may have resembled the following:
ACC: Clemson vs Florida State (North Carolina)
B1G: Iowa vs Michigan State
Pac-12: Stanford vs USC
SEC: Alabama vs Ole Miss (Florida)
Big 12: Oklahoma vs TCU
If apply the deregulation of the conference championship games to last season, they would have been:
ACC: #4 Florida State vs #11 Georgia Tech
B1G: #5 Ohio State vs #8 Michigan State (#13 Wisconsin)
Pac-12: #2 Oregon vs #7 Arizona
SEC: #1 Alabama vs #10 Mississippi State (#16 Missouri)
Big 12: #3 TCU vs #6 Baylor
The problem with the Big 12 is that it depends on Texas high school football. Any team in a division with the four Texas teams have a decided recruiting advantage over every team from the other division.
Don't all of those conference championship games create a de-facto quarter-final round, already?
You'll still need to determine the best G5 team, those 2 at larges, and the overall seeding somehow. The CFP committee, I think, has done a phenomenal job in their first two seasons. I'm all for expanding to 8, but I would much prefer a committee approach to computer models or media polls.
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No way ND must join a conference or nothing. I would like to see them get shut out EVERY year.
I don't want to hear it. They were too good for 12 teams when Lousville was begging to get out of the BE and a UofL/Cincy combo was the perfect fit for the B12. Now they can suck on Memphis or any other team that is not Louisville.
Yeah, I think you're kind of missing the point I was making. I'm aware that the PAC 12 champ didn't make the cut.
No, I see the point you're making. What I'm saying is, your point is wrong.
Then you clearly don't see the point I'm making, because it's veracity is pretty much self-evident.
But, then, look at to whom I'm talking.
very poorly written article.
even if the B12 added 2 schools, they'd still have to divide into divisions, so absolutely nothing to be gained by going that route.
that said, the 2 division round robin requirement hurts EVERY conference big time, including the B10.
if we're looking to do what's best for college football and the conferences, just get rid of the absurd, arbitrary, and outdated, 12 school, 2 division, round robin requirement, as it hurts every conference, and does absolutely zero positive for any school or any conference.
is there any bigger blight on college sports than Delany?
even if the B12 added 2 schools, they'd still have to divide into divisions, so absolutely nothing to be gained by going that route.
that said, the 2 division round robin requirement hurts EVERY conference big time, including the B10.
if we're looking to do what's best for college football and the conferences, just get rid of the absurd, arbitrary, and outdated, 12 school, 2 division, round robin requirement, as it hurts every conference, and does absolutely zero positive for any school or any conference.
is there any bigger blight on college sports than Delany?
You are insane if you think Delany is a problem. He has done a ton to make college sports better. Second Delaney did NOT come up with the 12 school 2 division. Blame the SEC. Delaney is just saying he Big12 jerks, you made us add Nebraska to play championship when you had 12 teams and we had 11. Now that you got 10, YOU have to add two teams to have a championship game.
That isn't what he's saying. The amendment submitted by the B1G would allow the Big 12 to have a championship game with 10 teams provided they split the conference into two divisions (two 5-team divisions). The deregulation of the championship game is an attempt by the Big 12 and ACC to cherry-pick teams to play in their conference championship game. Had the petition been passed for the 2014 season, the Big 12 championship game would have been TCU vs Baylor and this season it would have been Oklahoma and TCU. Both championship games would have featured teams from the same division if the conference was split geographically because North-South or East-West would have the Texas teams in the same division as Oklahoma. The Big 12 knows that a North-South alignment to their conference will always favor the south because the state of Texas is the primary supplier of football talent for the conference.
It's not the SEC's fault either. The 12-team rule was passed back in the 80's, and it was done for a 1-AA conference that had too many teams. The SEC just took advantage of a rule that was already in place.
But they don't have to split up that way. They can divide up the divisions any way they want. Since they only have 5 teams to a division, they could easily protect rivalries. Heck, they could set up a system of rotating divisions if they wanted.
No, it's not self evident. The SEC & Big Ten were the only play in games. Pac 12 wasn't, and the ACC wasn't, since North Carolina wasn't getting in either way.
The SEC wasn't even a play in game. The conference champions this year were an extra elimination game (besides Big Ten) that the Big 12 avoided. The only conference playing a play-in game was the Big Ten.
Thats why an 8 team would be great and work as is...
5 conference champs
highest ranked GOF
2 picked by committee
Committee seeds the 8 teams.
4 bowls do the first round, 2 bowls do the semi-finals, and then you continue to contract out the championship.
Then the conference championships of the power 5 become actual lead in games like many other NCAA sports with AQ spots.
The Big XII.. and specifically Texas, is largely responsible for Nebraska and A&M and Mizzou leaving it.. with the Nebraska defection actually harming Rutgers chances to have been added at that time. Then they take WVU .
After the Big East itself and ESPN and the ACC, then comes the Big XII in terms of entities that have damaged Rutgers Football.
So.. R-U screw em.
After the Big East itself and ESPN and the ACC, then comes the Big XII in terms of entities that have damaged Rutgers Football.
So.. R-U screw em.
That's quite a stretch to blame the Big 12 for "screwing" Rutgers.
Bottom line is other conferences expanded largely to hold a championship game, and now the Big 12 doesn't want to and the ACC doesn't want to risk a lopsided championship game.
Oh, well. Life is full of little disappointments.
As long as the best four (and preferably eight) teams get in, I really don't care who has a round-robin, who has a championship game or who has 12 teams.
Bottom line is other conferences expanded largely to hold a championship game, and now the Big 12 doesn't want to and the ACC doesn't want to risk a lopsided championship game.
Oh, well. Life is full of little disappointments.
As long as the best four (and preferably eight) teams get in, I really don't care who has a round-robin, who has a championship game or who has 12 teams.
Bring Texas to their knees for their past misdeeds.
(to add: They basically forced Nebraska for a WVU swap? They basically force TA&M out to bring in Baylor and TCU? Fools)
I don't have a problem with the 8 team format. It would actually make more money, not just because of the extra games. It just takes awhile for the powers that be to figure that out.
