Can someone explain, from a tactical view, why the bigs ( Gettys, Diallo and Shaq) are playing outside doing handoffs (sometimes dribble handoffs) or passing on the perimeter ? I'm trying to understand it and it confuses me.
The Bigs are Playing Outside
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How complex of an answer do you want?
The unsubstantiated short answer is it is a NECESSITY in college bakssball to run an effective half court offense
Case closed
The unsubstantiated short answer is it is a NECESSITY in college bakssball to run an effective half court offense
Case closed
Really....maybe if your bigs are mobile and can drive or pull up and take shots. But, we are talking about relatively immobile bigs on the roster. They are useless on the perimeter because their defender does not have to be concerned about an outside shot. We are not talking about Frank Kaminisky here or even Thomas Bryant from Indiana, who can step out and make an outside shot or drive to the basket if necessary.
I promise a better answer to this but you absolutely must have you big play outside ij some form in today's college basketball world.
It doesn't work with two big guys roaming the high and low block any more....100% doesn't work
It doesn't work with two big guys roaming the high and low block any more....100% doesn't work
Your solution has our bigs under the basket to allow all our outstanding outside shooters more space to jack threes without any screens or picks? Got it.
I would agree if the Bigs could hit an outside shot, could drive, were great passers or were very good in pick and roll. They have not shown the ability to do any of those things. Against Indiana alone, I saw multiple passes from the bigs sail out of bounds or get easily intercepted when they attempted to pass from the High Post.
You can play them inside and then move to the high post to set picks to allow Sanders to drive off the pick if that is the goal.
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For one when your 5 is setting screens it takes the opposing 5 (usually a shot blocker) out of the paint.
Back door cuts are useless when your 5 is down low with his defender. Clog city.
Now against a zone different story.
Back door cuts are useless when your 5 is down low with his defender. Clog city.
Now against a zone different story.
Thanks for the response. Maybe it's the execution that is lacking because they are poor passers. But, if I'm an opposing 5, I'm not following Gettys, Diallo or Shaq to the top of the key where they have been playing and doing handoffs to the guards. I'm staying at or inside the foul line to allow me to quickly get back and protect the lane/rim...negating any back door cuts.
On the other hand....playing inside - out with this roster that lacks good outside shooting is also not the answer. Maybe the current approach is the best of two bad options.
At Stony Brook, he played inside-out with Jameel Warney....of course, Rutgers does not have that type of low post presence this year or the outside shooters.
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Well let's hope opponents adopt that game plan so we can screen open all our guards with no one to hedge. I would love to not have a defender within 5-8 feet of a guard at the three point line to begin our offsenive sets...
Valid point if Rutgers had a guard that could make a shot coming off a screen from the 3 point line.
Keep in mind, this is just not me saying this about the bigs, I have heard mulitple game analyst question why Gettys is out so far during Big 10 game telecasts.
We're just so limited against B1G talent that nothing works consistently. Even when we seem to run the offense correctly, it doesn't result in baskets. It almost doesn't matter what we do, but what the other team does that determines the outcome. We very rarely get easy baskets, but the opposition does.
Ideally you get a good screen that frees up your guard or get a switch - big man rolls to the block guard gets it to the wing and dumps it down. Bottom line is we recruit athletic 3s who can't shoot but can play D - take a look at 3s on Michigan, etc - they don't play like ours do.
Gettys is a very good passer who can hit a 12 footer, so I like him in the high post, where he also sets a helluva screen.
I have more of a problem with our guards who seem to have no understanding of the pick n roll. So many times I see our bigs set a high screen and then roll freely to the hoop, only to be ignored by our dribble-minded guards.
I have more of a problem with our guards who seem to have no understanding of the pick n roll. So many times I see our bigs set a high screen and then roll freely to the hoop, only to be ignored by our dribble-minded guards.
I think Getty's can move out a little than 12 feet. I'd like to see him take any open jumper where there's floor space his back heel and three point line.
Sa shooting three pointers is questionable. But if he can at least force the opposition to cover him out there it's a great help. Wonder what coach will decide on that for next year--after this season tell him he is not gonna be taking thre pointers or tell him to work his ass off practicing them over the summer.
Sa shooting three pointers is questionable. But if he can at least force the opposition to cover him out there it's a great help. Wonder what coach will decide on that for next year--after this season tell him he is not gonna be taking thre pointers or tell him to work his ass off practicing them over the summer.
Choppin.. the other guys here ar probably too knowledgeable about basketball to even mention the obvious... our guards are our best players but they are not good 3 point shooters... we need the penetration and shoot/dish thing.. works better when the other teams shotblockers are not sitting under the basket. Our offensive rebounds show the big are still useful in that regard.
If you showed me stats showing our bigs are outside and jacking too many outside shots maybe you'd have a point.. but I'd guess from observation that the vast bulk or our shots are within 8 feet of the basket.
We are just not a good shooting team. Yeah.. Sa takes too many outside shots... at least recently. Coaching will correct that. But the plan is fine.. standard really.
If you showed me stats showing our bigs are outside and jacking too many outside shots maybe you'd have a point.. but I'd guess from observation that the vast bulk or our shots are within 8 feet of the basket.
We are just not a good shooting team. Yeah.. Sa takes too many outside shots... at least recently. Coaching will correct that. But the plan is fine.. standard really.
yep!
And I was screaming at the TV to step up and take that 12 footer they were giving him last game. He did it once, nailed it, and stopped doing it. Wish he would play with more confidence, a little more edge, and demand the ball more.
How open was he?If he has space, and I mean more space than usual, he can hit that shot.Reliably, with little space?No. Just not quick enough.
We saw a nice drive from Gettys versus Seton Hall. I wished they used him on the roll more, but guards are not being selfless enough.
Who knows. Gettys has not proved to have that shot down enough to shoot it consistently.
and wish we had had him come here
Vs. Indy he was playing out about half way between the foul line and the 3pt line with the defender at or below the foul line. After about 3 times he stepped up and swished it. The only one he attempted. I'd rather have that attempt than Sa taking the 3. And making it or at least attempting it has to draw the defender out a couple of steps. No, he cannot do that (face up) when guarded..if he could jump a foot it might make a difference.
But I also agree...as somebody posted above our guards don't throw the entry pass fast enough and Gettys gets lost on the O after a couple of trips. But he also plays weak and finesse vs. strong. I'm a 58YO fart and have more muscle in my arms and shoulders.
(but I still do love the kid and wish he had come here as frosh or had another year)
Vs. Indy he was playing out about half way between the foul line and the 3pt line with the defender at or below the foul line. After about 3 times he stepped up and swished it. The only one he attempted. I'd rather have that attempt than Sa taking the 3. And making it or at least attempting it has to draw the defender out a couple of steps. No, he cannot do that (face up) when guarded..if he could jump a foot it might make a difference.
But I also agree...as somebody posted above our guards don't throw the entry pass fast enough and Gettys gets lost on the O after a couple of trips. But he also plays weak and finesse vs. strong. I'm a 58YO fart and have more muscle in my arms and shoulders.
(but I still do love the kid and wish he had come here as frosh or had another year)
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