Wrestling The latest on RUWrestling, potential 2021 season

[Lex Knapp]

Rutgers wrestling should be kicking off their season shortly after the New Year. However, so much remains unknown about the upcoming season.

In addition to not having a schedule, uncertainty still surrounds lineup, including the question mark that is the 2019 NCAA champion, Nick Suriano.

Click the link below for the latest program updates regarding Rutgers wrestling, including Nick Suriano’s status, the upcoming “Battle at the Banks” by Mobbin’ Media, and what the potential schedule could entail when it is finally released.

The latest on Rutgers Wrestling, potential 2021 season

TKR wrestling analyst Lex Knapp has all the latest happenings surrounding the Scarlet Knights program.

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[MS-RU]

Thanks @Lex Knapp

Gun to your head... if there is a season/championship, is Suriano in the RU lineup at some point?

 

[wngarbarini]

Season championships yes, Suriano no

 

[Jersey Boys]

I think the time has come to embrace Aguilar and develop this kid into the next Scotty D and get him on the podium. Love everything Suriano has done for the program but I can’t take the drama anymore.

This is now Sammy’s team. Along with Janzer and Poz, there is a lot of nasty and jersey bad ass to get behind. Support the guys in the room I say.

 

[Lex Knapp]

Thanks @Lex Knapp

Gun to your head... if there is a season/championship, is Suriano in the RU lineup at some point?

I think he would 100% want to. Honestly, that is what I think his intentions are. Train for the trials, see how things play out, then try to come back if there is a post season.

 

[Jersey Boys]

I think he would 100% want to. Honestly, that is what I think his intentions are. Train for the trials, see how things play out, then try to come back if there is a post season.

Short term, we are not a top 10 tournament team this season without him. Selfishly I want to see him go toe to toe with Lee fully healthy.

The bright spot is Aguilar continues to improve. He’s not Suriano but I don’t see why he can’t make at least one or two podium runs over the next several years.

 

[mjckrash]

I think he would 100% want to. Honestly, that is what I think his intentions are. Train for the trials, see how things play out, then try to come back if there is a post season.

Sorry either you are all in or get out. The team is more important than 1 individual who is not 100% committed to the team. Time to move on from Suriano, appreciate all he has done but stop letting him be disruptive to the rest of the team.

 

[Lex Knapp]

Sorry either you are all in or get out. The team is more important than 1 individual who is not 100% committed to the team. Time to move on from Suriano, appreciate all he has done but stop letting him be disruptive to the rest of the team.

I feel the coaching staff will have the same feelings, if that is the case.

 

[Leonard23]

Sorry either you are all in or get out. The team is more important than 1 individual who is not 100% committed to the team. Time to move on from Suriano, appreciate all he has done but stop letting him be disruptive to the rest of the team.

We should not just move on. Kyle Snyder barely wrestled in 2016 while training for the Olympics and he didn't practice exclusively at tOSU. He wrestled 3 duals and then B1G and NCAA championships. We have enough leaders in the room, especially with SeaBass, that this shouldn't be a distraction or an issue, if Suriano wants a similar schedule. It would certainly benefit Aguilar, Alvarez, SeaBass and others to have Suriano in the room to practice with, but it is what it is.

 

[wngarbarini]

No if Nick wants to wrestle the Big Tens and NCAAs while not being in the room and trains out in Arizona, I say no thank you. What do you tell either Aguilar or Alvarez depending on whether Nick would go at 125 or 133? What does that show the other 27 guys in the room busting their butts? Sorry Nick. Your choice. Come back to Jersey/RU and train and wrestle the whole season or stay in Arizona and try to win the Trials. Wish him well.

 

[mjckrash]

No if Nick wants to wrestle the Big Tens and NCAAs while not being in the room and trains out in Arizona, I say no thank you. What do you tell either Aguilar or Alvarez depending on whether Nick would go at 125 or 133? What does that show the other 27 guys in the room busting their butts? Sorry Nick. Your choice. Come back to Jersey/RU and train and wrestle the whole season or stay in Arizona and try to win the Trials. Wish him well.

We should not just move on. Kyle Snyder barely wrestled in 2016 while training for the Olympics and he didn't practice exclusively at tOSU. He wrestled 3 duals and then B1G and NCAA championships. We have enough leaders in the room, especially with SeaBass, that this shouldn't be a distraction or an issue, if Suriano wants a similar schedule. It would certainly benefit Aguilar, Alvarez, SeaBass and others to have Suriano in the room to practice with, but it is what it is.

Suriano is not Kyle Snyder

 

[SCNJ]

Suriano is not Kyle Snyder

If Suriano is allowed to wrestle NCAAs as a freshman, he cruises to a championship at 125 and he’d have NCAA finishes of 1st, 1st, and 2nd heading into his senior year. Just like Snyder. Granted there’s a butterfly effect because if he’s allowed to wrestle he likely doesn’t end up at Rutgers, but from a folkstyle standpoint, is Snyder really that far ahead of Suriano? I don’t think so.

I think some of you guys are taking it too personally. If he’s at Rutgers, I’ll hope he wins every match he’s in. If he’s not at Rutgers, I hope to see him go as far as possible.

 

[LETSGORU91]

We should not just move on. Kyle Snyder barely wrestled in 2016 while training for the Olympics and he didn't practice exclusively at tOSU. He wrestled 3 duals and then B1G and NCAA championships. We have enough leaders in the room, especially with SeaBass, that this shouldn't be a distraction or an issue, if Suriano wants a similar schedule. It would certainly benefit Aguilar, Alvarez, SeaBass and others to have Suriano in the room to practice with, but it is what it is.

This is a great point. For those of you knocking Suriano and his decision to train in AZ, were you in attendance in 2017 when Snyder received a standing ovation at the RAC? Did you stand and praise his accomplishments? I know I did. Now some are bashing one of our own in Suriano for taking a similar path? He may be rougher around the edges compared to Snyder, but he is an elite competitor just like him. Unless Suriano is jerking Goodale and Rutgers around, he deserves support from the Scarlet failthful.

 

[mjckrash]

If Suriano is allowed to wrestle NCAAs as a freshman, he cruises to a championship at 125 and he’d have NCAA finishes of 1st, 1st, and 2nd heading into his senior year. Just like Snyder. Granted there’s a butterfly effect because if he’s allowed to wrestle he likely doesn’t end up at Rutgers, but from a folkstyle standpoint, is Snyder really that far ahead of Suriano? I don’t think so.

I think some of you guys are taking it too personally. If he’s at Rutgers, I’ll hope he wins every match he’s in. If he’s not at Rutgers, I hope to see him go as far as possible.

Not taking it personally at all. You compared Suriano to Snyder which is ridiculous. Snyder won a Olympic gold medal, Suriano will have a tough time making the Olympic team. Plus Ohio St was battling for the team title. Not sure who Ohio St backup heavyweight was that year but safe to say they needed Snyder to have any chance of winning team title. Avarez and Aguilar have chance to place and I feel it would not be fair to them to have them wrestle all year and not let them wrestle in the year end tournaments. Sorry but Rutgers is not winning team title even with Suriano.

 

[wngarbarini]

Not bashing Nick but just do not think it is fair to have him train in Arizona all year and show up for Bigs and NCAAs. He can get as good if not better preparation wrestling with Graf, Alvarez, Rivera, Ashnault, Kamal and Pritzlaff than with Mark Perry, Molinaro, etc

 

[Leonard23]

Not taking it personally at all. You compared Suriano to Snyder which is ridiculous. Snyder won a Olympic gold medal, Suriano will have a tough time making the Olympic team. Plus Ohio St was battling for the team title. Not sure who Ohio St backup heavyweight was that year but safe to say they needed Snyder to have any chance of winning team title. Avarez and Aguilar have chance to place and I feel it would not be fair to them to have them wrestle all year and not let them wrestle in the year end tournaments. Sorry but Rutgers is not winning team title even with Suriano.

What's ridiculous is your misunderstanding of the facts. Snyder hadn't won that Olympic gold medal when he did this in 2016.

 

[Leonard23]

Not bashing Nick but just do not think it is fair to have him train in Arizona all year and show up for Bigs and NCAAs. He can get as good if not better preparation wrestling with Graf, Alvarez, Rivera, Ashnault, Kamal and Pritzlaff than with Mark Perry, Molinaro, etc

I agree with your 2nd sentence and posted as much in another thread.

 

[mjckrash]

What's ridiculous is your misunderstanding of the facts. Snyder hadn't won that Olympic gold medal when he did this in 2016.

ok your right. Whateer, but Snyder did wrestle in 2017 for Ohio St.

 

[Racpack]

Come back to Jersey/RU and train and wrestle the whole season or stay

Agree with WNG. With Nick we have realistic chance to be top 4 or 5 team and be in the race for a trophy. Potential for two NCs and potential All Americans in Alveraz, Grello, Poz, and Janzer. Without Nick, should be top 10 to 15 team.

 

[Leonard23]

ok your right. Whateer, but Snyder did wrestle in 2017 for Ohio St.

What does that have to do with anything? Suriano could wrestle for us in 2021-22 as well. Sheesh

 

[KidDagger]

No if Nick wants to wrestle the Big Tens and NCAAs while not being in the room and trains out in Arizona, I say no thank you. What do you tell either Aguilar or Alvarez depending on whether Nick would go at 125 or 133? What does that show the other 27 guys in the room busting their butts? Sorry Nick. Your choice. Come back to Jersey/RU and train and wrestle the whole season or stay in Arizona and try to win the Trials. Wish him well.

You tell them Suriano is out training for his Olympic dreams and if he comes back then the best man in the weight wrestles postseason.

Suriano along with Ash helped put us on the map so if he wants to take the Snyder route so be it. He is still a scarlet knight to me in w.e he chooses to do so I’ll support and root for nick.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

You tell them Suriano is out training for his Olympic dreams and if he comes back then the best man in the weight wrestles postseason.

Suriano along with Ash helped put us on the map so if he wants to take the Snyder route so be it. He is still a scarlet knight to me in w.e he chooses to do so I’ll support and root for nick.

Agree. Let's face it wrestling is an individual sport, if Nick misses the season(or most of it) and instead of going 6-4, we go 4-6 but Nick wrestles in the NCAA's and we finish 4-6 at the National Tournament and Nick beats Lee at 125 or Micic at 133 it would be incredible.
Sure I want him for the entire season, but that is not happening.

And as KidDagger said in response to Wng...."what do you tell the other 27 guys in the room" Well we have a potential Olympian chasing his dreams, but if he wants in at the tournament he will be in. And lets face it(wrestling is different than other sports), RU coaches are not as worried about the 27 other guys.....they are worried about the 10 starters this year and the 10 starters next year.

 

[SCNJ]

Not taking it personally at all. You compared Suriano to Snyder which is ridiculous. Snyder won a Olympic gold medal, Suriano will have a tough time making the Olympic team. Plus Ohio St was battling for the team title. Not sure who Ohio St backup heavyweight was that year but safe to say they needed Snyder to have any chance of winning team title. Avarez and Aguilar have chance to place and I feel it would not be fair to them to have them wrestle all year and not let them wrestle in the year end tournaments. Sorry but Rutgers is not winning team title even with Suriano.

Snyder didn’t have Olympic gold yet in 2016 and if you re-read my post, I compared their NCAA careers which are very similar.

The team title thing is totally irrelevant. If Rutgers had an elite wrestler at every weight class, you’d be ok with Suriano’s decision? How is that Surianos fault?

Again if he’s here great. If he’s not, then good luck. I’m a big fan of his and while I prefer he wrestle here, if he chooses a different direction then I wish him the best.

 

[wngarbarini]

I wish Nick the best too but Snyder wrestled several dual meets for OSU. For Nick not to train with us and then go to the Bigs and NCAAs is different then what Snyder did

 

[Jersey Boys]

@wngarbarini my friend, I’m with you in spirit but if Suriano wants to go in March you let him. We are not Iowa, Okie, PSU, tOSU etc. we need that block R wrestling on Saturday night. Just wish we didn’t have to have the drama. Aguilar has another 3 years in the program. I feel good knowing he’s in the bullpen.

 

[Racpack]

After thinking this over, I agree with Jersey Boys. The Block R on Saturday night brings a lot of value to Rutgers. I say let Nick wrestling in the Big Ten Championship and then win another title in late Match. We need Rutgers front and center on the big stage. Imagine if he beats Spencer Lee in the finals.

 

[dollarbill]

After thinking this over, I agree with Jersey Boys. The Block R on Saturday night brings a lot of value to Rutgers. I say let Nick wrestling in the Big Ten Championship and then win another title in late Match. We need Rutgers front and center on the big stage. Imagine if he beats Spencer Lee in the finals.

You're assuming he is enrolled in college and taking classes in the second semester? $$$$

 

[wngarbarini]

There are a lot of things about Nicky and eligibility I am not allowed to comment about. Let’s get the Suriano/Snyder competition analysis cleared up. Snyder had a plan with his college coach that he would TRAIN at Ohio State and compete internationally and wrestle OSU dual meets when available. He wrestled 6 and then the championship. We have no idea if Nick has a plan or not. He was fine through mid October when he up and left for Arizona and has not been heard from since as to weight class intentions, interest in college competition or when or if he plans to return from Arizona. If you where Scott how do you plan a season or control the TEAM? This is an individual sport but that individual is PART of a team unit.

 

[Jersey Boys]

Like I said, I could do without the drama.

 

[Racpack]

WNG

Per the RU website, Nick is enrolled. Is he taking classes? Understand that the coach has a difficult decision. It is hard to walk away from a kid who could be a two time NC. It would do a lot for future recruiting and the program’s image. We always knew about the family and took him from PSU.

 

[Leonard23]

There are a lot of things about Nicky and eligibility I am not allowed to comment about. Let’s get the Suriano/Snyder competition analysis cleared up. Snyder had a plan with his college coach that he would TRAIN at Ohio State and compete internationally and wrestle OSU dual meets when available. He wrestled 6 and then the championship. We have no idea if Nick has a plan or not. He was fine through mid October when he up and left for Arizona and has not been heard from since as to weight class intentions, interest in college competition or when or if he plans to return from Arizona. If you where Scott how do you plan a season or control the TEAM? This is an individual sport but that individual is PART of a team unit.

Snyder wrestled in 3 duals (Wisconsin on 2/12/16, PSU on 2/5/16, and Nebraska on 1/17/16) and also practiced elsewhere a bunch, maybe not as much as Suriano is/wants to, and yes Snyder was transparent and sat down with Coach Ryan to work out a plan. I don't agree with how he's handled things but we knew of these issues when he transferred here, so we should find a way to make it work. Obviously, Coach Goodale needs to talk to him and find out weight and more details of his plan and we all could do without the drama, but it didn't sound like October was the last time the coaches heard from him. The whole thing is ridiculous as he should've just stayed here.

 

[mjckrash]

There are a lot of things about Nicky and eligibility I am not allowed to comment about. Let’s get the Suriano/Snyder competition analysis cleared up. Snyder had a plan with his college coach that he would TRAIN at Ohio State and compete internationally and wrestle OSU dual meets when available. He wrestled 6 and then the championship. We have no idea if Nick has a plan or not. He was fine through mid October when he up and left for Arizona and has not been heard from since as to weight class intentions, interest in college competition or when or if he plans to return from Arizona. If you where Scott how do you plan a season or control the TEAM? This is an individual sport but that individual is PART of a team unit.

Thank you

 

[wngarbarini]

Read Mark Perry’s statements in the Courier News today.. he said Mick’s potential is very special and he can be a future superstar. Then the telling quote,” no matter what happens at the trials for the Tokyo Olympics”. Nicky has talked about acting and MMA so maybe he is done with RU and college wrestling. He climbed that mountain and maybe is looking for others. Making the Zolympics I put at about 20% chance. He has to beat Lee, Gilman, Aranju, Gross, Tomasello and others. That is a tall task.

 

[wngarbarini]

It is abundantly clear from those statements he has no intentions of wrestling for RU this year unless by whatever his terms are. 2021-2022 who knows but I seriously doubt it is at RU. I feel that ship has sailed and Mark Perry is the new pretty face in town. Good luck.

 

[mjckrash]

It is abundantly clear from those statements he has no intentions of wrestling for RU this year unless by whatever his terms are. 2021-2022 who knows but I seriously doubt it is at RU. I feel that ship has sailed and Mark Perry is the new pretty face in town. Good luck.

Agree, good luck Nick but time for RU to move on

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

It is abundantly clear from those statements he has no intentions of wrestling for RU this year unless by whatever his terms are. 2021-2022 who knows but I seriously doubt it is at RU. I feel that ship has sailed and Mark Perry is the new pretty face in town. Good luck.

This is the first time I have seen Bill post with a tone of disgust (my interpretation). If I have read that right, I'm in agreement. From no other information or direct experience with Nick, I find this very disturbing that he is so inconsiderate to the coaches and the team. No wrestler should dictate terms and (I believe) no coach should suck up to a wrestler, no matter how good. I'm a big believer in commitment, loyalty, respect, and showing appreciation.

 

[wngarbarini]

Dear Pessimistic
Nicky left for Arizona to train in mid October and has not be heard from since. Lack of communication tells one a great degree about ones feelings. I don’t know if disgust is the appropriate word but disappointment is certainly applicable. Having dedicated myself to this program for over 60 years it hurts me when anyone associated with the program does not feel or act like I would or feel should be done.With the season opener less than 2 weeks likely away, having no idea what your star wrestler wants to do is not an ideal way to plan for the season.

 

[Harleyr1]

Hey I enjoyed his National title season as much as anyone and luckily we got two that year ...he is an enormous talent for sure ...having said that I also saw that he did pretty much what he wanted and saw more then once during matches that year he completely ignored coaches and did his own thing ...he listens to one person and we all know who that is ..the coaches love what he could bring to the program but that doesn’t mean they actually want him here ...would I like to see him come back ..sure ..I think we all do but the way he is doing it does not do justice to the rest of the guys ...I know a lot of them could care less one way or the other ...if Goody has talked to him and was made aware of how he wants to do this season and gave the ok and let the team know ...then I’m all for it ..if Goody is twisting in the wind with no idea then let’s move on ...no one kid is bigger then the program and I don’t care how good he is ...only Goody knows and I’m guessing he hasn’t shared that with anyone here ...he is the coach ..he decides ...enough said

 

[RUCrackers]

No if Nick wants to wrestle the Big Tens and NCAAs while not being in the room and trains out in Arizona, I say no thank you. What do you tell either Aguilar or Alvarez depending on whether Nick would go at 125 or 133? What does that show the other 27 guys in the room busting their butts? Sorry Nick. Your choice. Come back to Jersey/RU and train and wrestle the whole season or stay in Arizona and try to win the Trials. Wish him well.

When Bill says things like this, you know it's going to be the truth. Adios Nick Suriano! I hope when you're out in the Working World you don't pull this crap. You'll be out of a job faster than s*** through a goose. Plus his father's a disrespectful jerk.

 

[wngarbarini]

Harley
Twisting in the wind without any contact describes Goody’s status exactly.