Need to take a hike forever. That was one of the single worst and most obviously biased calls or non-calls I have ever seen.
The people who say refs don't affect the game...
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I was talking about the fact that freeman was fouled. He very obviously yanked his arm. How did they think he fell?
I was going to break my tv if they gave Illinois the ball on the rebound the guy was so far out of bounds when he grabbed the ball!! Also the foul on the inbounds play was total BS!!
That was a perfect example of official bias. BUT---but the officials did the right thing and looked at the monitor and corrected the call. If anything, the Illinois player fouled Freeman there. Never mind that the Illinois kid was standing out of bounds when he touched the ball.
The foul that pissed me off, was the Sa foul away from the basket. That was the kind of foul that is NOT called on the good teams, but called on teams like us when the game is on the line. That call never should have been called. That gave Illinois a 2 point lead from the foul line. That was a bull$hit call.
#22 was driving GJ back using his shoulder every time to create space and the ref from behind was calling CJ. I think that was the same thing that happened on the Sa 3 sec. foul call and why Pike reacted to it that way.
Yes it was a Bulls#it call, especially in a game like that at that time.
Don't say that to certain posters here. They believe the players suck and it's always their fault.
The refs did their best to hand Illinois the victory with the bogus foul on Sa, the no call shoulder into CJ all game long, and the Freeman no call but we overcame it all for once. Today we beat Illinois and the refs.
Freeman, should have had a chance at a 4 point play. Thank God Illinois didn't hit another of those banked 3pt shots to send it into OT. Great win for the players, coaching staff, and program in general. Major props to the fans and student section. I'd be curious to know what it was like to the players of Illinois, and what they thought of the atmosphere at games end?
Unbelieveable. You'll bitch and moan about anything possible but won't look at the big picture or anything positive.
#1) yes, Freeman was fouled on the last shot. But how often do you see a shooter fall down when the breeze was what knocked him over? Angle to see the foul was not good. Ref's fault he wasn't in a better position, but bias?
# 2) Freeman was NOT even remotely fouled under the basket, yet you insist o it. The ball definitely was off him out of bounds. Did you watch the replays? With all that was going on between foul? steal? jump ball? o-o-b off who? and ref didn't see feet o-o-b? All this at the wild stage of the game! Ref made call on what he saw immediately, then went to the review. If ever there was a time for bias to rear it's ugly head, this was it. An "Illinois ball" call here would have never been referred to again after the initial booing. And the B1G desired result of an Illinois bid would be likely. Besides Rutgers, who cares if we we win? But no, the reversed themselves to the right call. Give some credit.
#3) Of course Sa fouled him, him virtually mugged him. Try looking at it through Illinois eyes. Or even a neutral eye. No question.
#4) Players back down players using bumps ALL THE TIME and it never gets called. Gettys does it to get closer. Even when they lower their shoulder they often get away with it. I hate it when I see it, but apparently the refs have been instructed it is not a charge.
Look at the number of fouls called in the game against each side. Not just this game, but every game. And don't tell me the refs evened up the fouls in the last five min utes. The games have been too close to do that. When you look at CJ, note that he's a bull who can't jump...I find it surprising more fouls aren't called on him.
Don't know how long you've been watching RU BB, but B1G refs have been remarkable in my view. Just remember, or go back and look at Big East games and watch us get screwed by a league that didn't want us in there to begin with and was automatically relegated to the bottom of the standings, regardless of how we really played.
#1) yes, Freeman was fouled on the last shot. But how often do you see a shooter fall down when the breeze was what knocked him over? Angle to see the foul was not good. Ref's fault he wasn't in a better position, but bias?
# 2) Freeman was NOT even remotely fouled under the basket, yet you insist o it. The ball definitely was off him out of bounds. Did you watch the replays? With all that was going on between foul? steal? jump ball? o-o-b off who? and ref didn't see feet o-o-b? All this at the wild stage of the game! Ref made call on what he saw immediately, then went to the review. If ever there was a time for bias to rear it's ugly head, this was it. An "Illinois ball" call here would have never been referred to again after the initial booing. And the B1G desired result of an Illinois bid would be likely. Besides Rutgers, who cares if we we win? But no, the reversed themselves to the right call. Give some credit.
#3) Of course Sa fouled him, him virtually mugged him. Try looking at it through Illinois eyes. Or even a neutral eye. No question.
#4) Players back down players using bumps ALL THE TIME and it never gets called. Gettys does it to get closer. Even when they lower their shoulder they often get away with it. I hate it when I see it, but apparently the refs have been instructed it is not a charge.
Look at the number of fouls called in the game against each side. Not just this game, but every game. And don't tell me the refs evened up the fouls in the last five min utes. The games have been too close to do that. When you look at CJ, note that he's a bull who can't jump...I find it surprising more fouls aren't called on him.
Don't know how long you've been watching RU BB, but B1G refs have been remarkable in my view. Just remember, or go back and look at Big East games and watch us get screwed by a league that didn't want us in there to begin with and was automatically relegated to the bottom of the standings, regardless of how we really played.
agree with all this
Sa fouled....they do not call that for no reason, it was a foul.
Freeman didnt get fouled, the Illinois guy tied him up...the call was wrong by the officials...they corrected their mistake by looking at the monitor...if the screw was in for RU they didnt have to do that...and they cannot call a foul by looking at the monitor. I knew it would be overturned because it really was a held possession
I thought if anything the lack of fouls called during the game favored Rutgers...the refs let some contact go uncalled in the 2nd half while RU was on defense. I sit in 212 so I have a really good angle on that. For every call you think they miss on Illinois usually there is a call they miss on Illinois
by and large no problem at all with the refs today, the looser call of the game favored RU and there was no conscious screw job today.
You never see a problem with the refs & we've been hosed all season, including a valiant attempt today.
yes we were hosed, how...they reversed the call...if they didnt then you can say we got hosed, other than that where were all the hosings today, we actually got the benefit that they let them play today
Refs were bad today. Almost cost us the game
This will get better as we get better however it continues to make me laugh at those who try to excuse the poor officiating.
This will get better as we get better however it continues to make me laugh at those who try to excuse the poor officiating.
I'm usually a vocal critic of the refs during the game, but I thought several questionable calls went our way earlier in the game. And in general, I thought they were reasonable at the end of the game.
I didn't understand the non-call where Omoruyi fell over the Illinois player after grabbing a rebound. Thought that should've been a foul.
I didn't understand the non-call where Omoruyi fell over the Illinois player after grabbing a rebound. Thought that should've been a foul.
Agreed, people need to stop whining about the refs every friggin' game. Was a very well officiated game, today. 17 fouls in them and 14 on us and people are complaining? They even did a great job on reversing the OOB call at the end, which was great officiating.
The only game I feel we got hosed on was Michigan - they were truly bad on that one, especially the phantom foul call on Sanders with 1 second left on the shot clock and a minute left in the game - that really changed that game.
I agree there were several questionable call and toward the end they seemed to be going against us but overall I recall a couple either calls or non-calls where I thought we were fortunate.
Loosely called game today, which always works out in our favor. They let a lot of calls slide, both on us and on them, for most of the game. Lots of contact on many plays that drew no whistle.
I will gladly take that type of game, though, for us.... if it comes down to who shoots FTs better, we usually end up on the short end of that stick. Tonight we finally hit from the line, and lo and behold, came away with the win.
I will gladly take that type of game, though, for us.... if it comes down to who shoots FTs better, we usually end up on the short end of that stick. Tonight we finally hit from the line, and lo and behold, came away with the win.
Not a single walk was called against Illinois. And you can look at the whole game (which Carino did in his article which gives a lot of facts as to why we get the very very short end of the stick) but also in the final minutes is when it's most important and we've been in many close games, and that's where the refs have their influence. They tried today to help Illinois out but we made a clutch layup by Sanders, Williams went on fire from 3 and Freeman hit that wild shot, nothing the refs can do if you hit your shots.
They could have easily called a carry on Illinois on the last drive up the floor as well.
yes, I agree with this. I was commenting on a couple of misses but I didn't think the fix was in (today).
And PS..it is not "backing a man down" when you throw your shoulder into the guy like that. My point being if you're not going to call that, don't call the ticky-tack contact from behind on CJ.
Sa was fouled by Morgan in the lane and thatls why he had contact with Morgan.
The ref that called it off Freeman should have seen Freen fouled over-the-top on the board and especially seen that the Illinois player was standing out-of-bounds pulling on the ball. Worse yet, if he didn't see it another ref should have.. yet there was no discussion by another ref coming in to ask him if he saw the guy standing out of bounds making a play on the ball.
I don't know if Freeman was fouled on the tree but his body did twist oddly while he was trying to keep his arm up after the shot.. great form on that BTW.
Refs are human. They get caught up in stories just like regular humans. In the NBA they routinely ignore offences by "star" players on "star" teams. Same thing happens in college.
And since the big dance is coming up.. those selection committees are not supposed to be biased either... HA! You'll see.. deals will be made.. biases revealed... same as always.
The ref that called it off Freeman should have seen Freen fouled over-the-top on the board and especially seen that the Illinois player was standing out-of-bounds pulling on the ball. Worse yet, if he didn't see it another ref should have.. yet there was no discussion by another ref coming in to ask him if he saw the guy standing out of bounds making a play on the ball.
I don't know if Freeman was fouled on the tree but his body did twist oddly while he was trying to keep his arm up after the shot.. great form on that BTW.
Refs are human. They get caught up in stories just like regular humans. In the NBA they routinely ignore offences by "star" players on "star" teams. Same thing happens in college.
And since the big dance is coming up.. those selection committees are not supposed to be biased either... HA! You'll see.. deals will be made.. biases revealed... same as always.
It sure looked like Freeman was hit on the arm after the rebound as the Illinois player tried to tie him up. He was clearly hit on the arm on the game winner, check out the last angle on the video posted by BTN or B1G or whoever that was.
Nice to finally come away with the W in another game that came down to the wire!
Nice to finally come away with the W in another game that came down to the wire!
Its not about the number of foul calls but also the number of non calls which are not listed on the stat sheet like when freeman was clearly fouled and they dont call it it isnt listed on the stat sheet. In addition to the non calls it is also the timing of the calls. A lot of times they call fouls on Rutgers in the most crucial portion of the game which they just dont call on the other teams consistently. Anybody who doesnt think that Rutgers has been hosed by officiating from time to time this year and especially in past years is just not paying attention. I think as we get better we will be given a more favorable whistle but at the same time I think that it shouldnt be this way, I think the game should already be called down the middle and I just dont think it is
Absolutely correct. It's the calls at critical times at the end of a game. We are a "wrong side of the track" team right now. As we get better & gain stature we will not get screwed nearly as much. In the meantime, Hobbs shouldn't sit still for the hosings.
If referees called all the fouls that really occur including hand checking , boxing out and illegal picks, many players would foul out.Yes, there always will be some bad calls but they aren't the main reason Rutgers didn't win more games.Poor shooting including at the foul line was the biggest reason for close game losses.
No one is denying poor shooting, especially from the line. That does not negate lousy calls on RU, especially at critical junctures. They are not mutually exclusive issues.
We have been bitching about bad officiating since Hinson. It's a constant. And of course it can be a factor in any one game, but hardly the reason we suck.
And "bias" and "bad calls" are hardly the same thing.
While we're at it, when we say certain calls never happen "to good teams" but get called on "teams like us," then the solution is clear, n'est-ce pas?
And "bias" and "bad calls" are hardly the same thing.
While we're at it, when we say certain calls never happen "to good teams" but get called on "teams like us," then the solution is clear, n'est-ce pas?
every board has fans complaining about refs..good teams and bad....the narrative pushed of the RU conspiracy is fake news
Still waiting for all the regular season games to be done before I look at the data across the conference.
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