As bad as this season has been (and I was expecting it), we could be this bad and still be in the AAC. I imagine there is a lot of pain in places like UC, UCONN and UH when they learned they did not get a lifeline to the P5. Thank you Jim D.
Things could be worse...
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The Big Ten loves us for our tv sets and our easily pillaged recruiting grounds. That won't change.
We must spread the gospel of pork roll throughout the Midwest..
And we love their money, even though it'll be another 5 years before we actually get it.
The sentiment behind this post is growing old fast. Every time we have a set back we get one of these posts. When does the statute of limitations run out, 4, 5 years, never? Nobody in their right mind would trade the B1G for the AAC, but being a B1G bottom feeder in football and basketball year after year is growing weary. At some point it is not going to be good enough just to be in a conference with some legendary programs, we need to be competitive, otherwise there is no fun and people will become disinterested no matter who we are playing.
could be worse, we could all die tomorrow of a virus that turns us all into zombies.
It's going to take a long time to catch up and be competitive let alone compete for Conference titles in the major sports.. RU doesn't get the Big 10 cut to hire the Harbaughs, Meyers, D'Antonio's etc. Until it's a level playing field as far as revenue sharing, to expect more than .500 is unrealistic.
.. and I'm still waiting for Culver's, Meijer and Pizza Ranch to open outlets in NJ, PA and MD.
Oh, woe is RUforLife.
I'm not even getting into basketball, where we've been a perennial mess long before the B1G, but in football: We've been a B1G bottom feeder for exactly TWO YEARS, which is better than being an AAC bottom feeder (or even mid pack) for those two years. It's not like we were running the table in the AAC/BE ... or winning it, ever. Either way, we had some work to do. Now at least we have some advantages to do it with. Stop crying.
Could be better. Could be raining. I'm starting to get concerned about a drought. $$$$
Try reading my post again, but this time sober. I am not crying about anything. My point is that we need to stop with this endless crap of bringing up the fact that we are better off sucking in the B1G than being mediocre/good in the AAC. Duh, who is arguing for going back to the AAC, I haven't seen one legitimate poster make that argument, just some trolls. The AAC is in our back window, the only focus should be on improving our current position in the B1G in both sports. Stop trying to consul yourself with the fact that at least we are in the B1G, that is a loser's mentality and leads to acceptance of our current struggles.
We're in the Big 10. We're staying in the Big 10. We will soon be getting Big 10 money. The only thing left is to be better in the Big 10.
Remaining in the AAC would've been a death sentence for football and possibly men's basketball...well, a continued state of death for men's basketball with no hope of resurrection ever. But I'm not sure money is the solution to all of our problems. Some of the sports we aren't particularly good at don't take swimming pools full of money and glittering new facilities to succeed. They take an AD who knows how to pick coaches, coaches who know how to get local talent to come play for Rutgers and an administration that understands the importance of college sports to the overall success of a large state university.
All of these things have been shaky in the past and maybe it does ultimately go to the top. You need an AD to make it happen but if you have an administration that picks caretaker ADs or tells them to treat scholarship sports like intramurals then even a qualified AD isn't going to break through this long history of mediocrity and underachievement. It might be foolish to assume that when more money comes from the Big Ten our administration will be less uptight about sports. They may still fail to see the value in sports and may still be more concerned with not getting bad press than with risking the bad press in return for the benefits successful sports brings. Those of us on the outside don't know what goes on between our ADs and their bosses but there might be a lot of pressure to just not take risks and taking risks is the only way to break the impasse.
All of these things have been shaky in the past and maybe it does ultimately go to the top. You need an AD to make it happen but if you have an administration that picks caretaker ADs or tells them to treat scholarship sports like intramurals then even a qualified AD isn't going to break through this long history of mediocrity and underachievement. It might be foolish to assume that when more money comes from the Big Ten our administration will be less uptight about sports. They may still fail to see the value in sports and may still be more concerned with not getting bad press than with risking the bad press in return for the benefits successful sports brings. Those of us on the outside don't know what goes on between our ADs and their bosses but there might be a lot of pressure to just not take risks and taking risks is the only way to break the impasse.
Just had my first Culver's hamburger recently. The best drive thru burger I've ever had.
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The football program and the MBB program were a total mess as was the AD.
That is why we got a new AD, that is why we cleaned house for both Football and MBB.
The Multisport Training Complex is getting built my friends. Things are moving in a positive direction.
Ash and the football staff are in year 1 of a major overhaul, all of the bellyaching and boohoo in the world will not make that go any faster.
But, we won't have a realistic chance to go bowling until 2018... deal with it. The current class is ranked #22, the last class was in the 70's. The weight room got a overhaul and that is just year one. Good times are ahead.
Steve Pikiell has the most decorated staff in Rutgers history. If they can't turn the MBB program around, well then no one can. But that is going to take years as well.
The positive take away is that Rutgers is not sitting on their hands, they have taken major steps to improve our two biggest programs as well as other sports.
Wrestling and Women's Soccer is the model for the rest of our sports. Those two problems were good to begin with and now they are getting even better on a national scale and their recruiting is as such they they just reload every year. The goal is to have ALL of our sports to be like them.
Also Rutgers is already making more money today than they did in the Big East, a lot more. But, get over yourselves, no magic wand will make us get vested in the Big Ten faster or get Football and MBB rebuilded faster. However, that doesn't mean that it will never happen or that we are not on the way there.
So you can either cry like a baby and scream "But , I want it NOW, waaah" or you can man up and look at the big picture.
Whatever works for you.
That is why we got a new AD, that is why we cleaned house for both Football and MBB.
The Multisport Training Complex is getting built my friends. Things are moving in a positive direction.
Ash and the football staff are in year 1 of a major overhaul, all of the bellyaching and boohoo in the world will not make that go any faster.
But, we won't have a realistic chance to go bowling until 2018... deal with it. The current class is ranked #22, the last class was in the 70's. The weight room got a overhaul and that is just year one. Good times are ahead.
Steve Pikiell has the most decorated staff in Rutgers history. If they can't turn the MBB program around, well then no one can. But that is going to take years as well.
The positive take away is that Rutgers is not sitting on their hands, they have taken major steps to improve our two biggest programs as well as other sports.
Wrestling and Women's Soccer is the model for the rest of our sports. Those two problems were good to begin with and now they are getting even better on a national scale and their recruiting is as such they they just reload every year. The goal is to have ALL of our sports to be like them.
Also Rutgers is already making more money today than they did in the Big East, a lot more. But, get over yourselves, no magic wand will make us get vested in the Big Ten faster or get Football and MBB rebuilded faster. However, that doesn't mean that it will never happen or that we are not on the way there.
So you can either cry like a baby and scream "But , I want it NOW, waaah" or you can man up and look at the big picture.
Whatever works for you.
Well written.
Disagree about waiting for 2018 for a Bowl. Could happen next season.
Wins- @Home : Morgan St., Eastern Michigan, Purude, Maryland ( not really home )
Away: Illinois , Indiana
Some of our best players are gone next year. Most of our starting WRs are gone as well.
Far too many variables to say anything. It is possible to go bowling next year but it is more likely to go bowling in 2018.
If the ACC and B10 requested a swap between BC an RU I would leave in a NY Minute. A perfect example is this weeks opponent the Minnesota Golden Gophers, wtf is a GG and where is Minnesota???
I know many of you are with me when I say these are the teams that should be on our football and basketball schedule:
Clemson Tigers
Miami Hurricanes
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Duke Blue Devils
North Carolina Tar Heels
Louisville Cardinals
Pittsburgh Panthers
Florida Seminoles
You guys are like the stepford fans.
Fans: Yes, we are greatful for being the doormat in the B10
Barchi: now say it a 1000 times.
I know many of you are with me when I say these are the teams that should be on our football and basketball schedule:
Clemson Tigers
Miami Hurricanes
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Duke Blue Devils
North Carolina Tar Heels
Louisville Cardinals
Pittsburgh Panthers
Florida Seminoles
You guys are like the stepford fans.
Fans: Yes, we are greatful for being the doormat in the B10
Barchi: now say it a 1000 times.
Well, your point is wrong! We are way better off doing that. Why? Because the ceiling in the AAC is being good, hey maybe someday we would have been pretty good, like Houston. And yet now they lost a game or 2 and are outside the top-10 and off everyone's radar. The ultimate, ULTIMATE goal is the New Year's Six, eventually the Playoff and someday, well you know. The chances of that happening this year, next, or the year after are 0% and would be that way even if we were in the AAC right now. THe difference is, 5 years,10 years from now, what will our chances be? If we were in the AAC, guess what - they would still be close to 0 just like now, or in all our history in the Big East. BUT, in the Big Ten, we get exposure, we get big name opponents, and soon, oh yea, we get HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY to put into improving athletic facilities, training centers, and all the fancy stuff that attracts top recruits and thus makes great teams, that we see these other schools with money build and wish we had. Well, that will ONLY happen if we are in the Big Ten, not in the AAC.
So, if you are short-minded and think that it is 'crap' to be absolutely horrible for 3 or 4 years in this transition, in order to save our future, instead of taking 3 years of 7-6 or 8-5 and victories over Middle Tennessee State in the GoDaddy.com Bowl or whatever, you do not see the bigger picture. That is my point. We ARE better off.
You will not see a 10-2 finish in the B10. At least not in our lifetime, because what posters (especially the older posters) refuse to understand is that to become a college football powerhouse takes more than money. It requires a change in culture and mindset. Don't let all this academics first nonsense fool you because UM and JH made it clear to both OSU & UM that unless you think like a football factory you are not going to win. That will never happen here at Rutgers, NEVER. So, you may have fancy facilities and you may have a decent coach but at the end of the day you will never recruit like Alabama, Nebraska, Miami, Oklahoma or USC did during their championship years. At best you'll be the east coast version of Northwestern, and sadly that would be ok for many on this site. You would have been better off in the ACC. If both conferences ever want to swap teams I would raise my hand if I were Rutgers.
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Not sure why your username has RU but then you talk about Rutgers like you are a fan of another team.."You'll be.. You would have... If I were Rutgers" ...
I've been a fan longer than some people have been alive. I was a season ticket holder for 6 years. I decided to cancel my season tickets when I figured out that the guy next to me was buying them from a scalper for 50% less. I live close enough to walk to the stadium and went to plenty games at the meadowlands. I stand by what I said, a winning culture starts with a win at all cost mindset. This will never happen at RU. So fans like you and me will be kvetching and kvetching for years. I noticed that you didn't refute anything I said because deep deep inside there's truth in what I said.
the answer is never.
no matter how bad things are, they will always be better than they would have been.
that's precisely the point.
Again, why do some feel the need to constantly bring that point up except to make themselves feel better about the current state of our football and basketball programs. We all know it is true, but it is time to move on and start competing in the B1G, not wasting time looking back at a decision made years ago so we feel good. It is being used as a crutch, it is time we started to walk on our own and compete.
So the biggest complainer of the Ash era made the decision to cancel season tickets. Then preaches a "win at all costs" mantra, which includes, apparently, hiring expensive coaches who aren't actually available?
That might be the coolest story in the history of SN.
There may be some truth to what you said but I disagree with "not seeing a 10-2 season in the Big Ten in our lifetime". If Northwestern has done it several times over the past 25 years, then we can pull it off too. Eventually. Here's a fun fact for everyone...since Penn State joined the Big Ten conference in 1993, Northwestern football has won just as many Big Ten titles as Penn State has at THREE APIECE.
PSU = '94, '05 (split), '08 (split)
NW = '95, '96 (split), '00 (split)
Northwestern has also won 10 games 3x in that time period ('95, '12, '15). No disrespect to NW football, but if they can manage three 10+ win seasons over a 20-year period, we can eek out one or two ourselves once our program is built to a B1G level.
As for the suggestion we'd be better off in the ACC, I've heard that argument from several people but I disagree with it. I'd rather be one of the eastern outliers in a Mid-west conference than a "Yankee" school in a southern conference any time. If we had built off of the basketball success we had in the late 70's/early 80's and we were thought of more as a basketball school then maybe I'd agree the ACC was a better fit. But I'd rather be playing Penn State than Pitt, I'd rather be playing Indiana than Syracuse (puke), I don't mind playing Maryland instead of Va Tech for damn sure and in the grand scheme of things, as a UNIVERSITY we are closer to Michigan, Ohio State and Michigan State than we are to Clemson, Florida State and Miami. The B1G just makes so much more sense for us as a large state research institution.
One last thing. If we ever decided to give up on the whole B1G idea, I would NOT want to see us go to the AAC or the MAC or something. We'd better revisit our roots, drop down to FCS and play the likes of Princeton, Lehigh, Lafayette and Colgate again and try to win the FCS national championship every year. Lord knows our football facilities would kick major ass comparatively speaking and by that time the basketball facilities would be upgraded too. The problem with our athletic department over the past 40 years is that we half-assed the whole "going big time" thing. Now we finally appear to be doing it right and going for broke in a major conference (the Big East was not a major conference) but it's going to take time. But if we can't get it right, there'd be no reason to go to a mid major football conference and hemorrhage money. Just lop off the upper decks, tarp the south end zone seats and go back to the old days.
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Trap...why even be a fan of RU? Yes you can get tickets for cheaper and sounds like a good use of your money but that doesn't sippprt the school at all.
We have some really big complainers about us achieveing so much YET do nothing to support the team. How can we achieve success if we don't all chip in towards that end goal?
The answer is NOT going to the ACC. Why the Fck would we want to be in that conferences. Imagine losing any games there and end up like BC...screw that
We have some really big complainers about us achieveing so much YET do nothing to support the team. How can we achieve success if we don't all chip in towards that end goal?
The answer is NOT going to the ACC. Why the Fck would we want to be in that conferences. Imagine losing any games there and end up like BC...screw that
Blackout: TRAP is small potatoes who wants nothing but the best for Rutgers. The people who contribute towards the perennial powerhouses are Millionaires, some near billionaires. Rutgers is in a bit of a bind because they are competing against B10 schools who get a full share of the revenue and have dozens of millionaire donors filling in the gaps. The fact that I scalp $40 tickets for $20 doesn't hurt anyone because someone had to buy them for $40. Right? I'll tell you what I do for the team, I wait for that cannon to go off before I leave. Put half the posters on this site on a polygraph machine and ask them when they leave. I stayed to the end of both the Michigan & Illinois game. I'll bet you a $1 no one here stayed, no one. Again, money alone is not going to win you a championship, it will help but you need more fans like trap
It kind of makes your incessant complaining ring hollow, though.
Third person is an interesting twist. Shades of Plum St.
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