This is really year 1 for eddie
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Mike Rice left him Mack and Jack, a better 1-2 combination than he's been able to recruit in three years.
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This is year 3 and the program is worse now than when EJ took over.
Bingo!
We'll be hearing this "year 1" crap until he finally rides off into the sunset.
If it's year 1, he should donate the 3 years salary he just made towards improving the program.
Actually, maybe 2020 should be year 1 for EJ. We need to give him at least 6 years before holding him accountable for the performance of the program. Because seriously, he's only the head coach, we can't expect too much from him.
He's reeled in the best player we had since Douby in Sanders. As much as I love Myles, I'll take the freshman Sanders over him every day of the week. And I would take freeman over Jack.
Very possible Freeman turns out better than Jack. But can't really say that yet.
I think the point is this....there was a scramble just to fill the roster after it was decimated by the Rice thing. I'm pretty sure that in a normal situation that guys like D'von Campbell, Kerwin Okoro, Craig Brown( even though he was a Rice recruit), maybe even JJ Moore would not have been brought in. Maybe Seagers would not have been taken back. But, the roster needed bodies and chances were taken.
I have always maintained that this was a slow build to get to a full roster and finally we will be there next year. Of course there were some hiccups with Etou and Johnson transferring....but, no one knows why those transfers happened...maybe academics, maybe they were not a good fit for other reasons. There was also the Georgetown transfer that never made it...I think that was academics.
There were also two deommits in Butts and the other guy. I think one of them landed at Rhode Island.
I have always maintained that this was a slow build to get to a full roster and finally we will be there next year. Of course there were some hiccups with Etou and Johnson transferring....but, no one knows why those transfers happened...maybe academics, maybe they were not a good fit for other reasons. There was also the Georgetown transfer that never made it...I think that was academics.
There were also two deommits in Butts and the other guy. I think one of them landed at Rhode Island.
That's the most frustrating thing right now....the improvement would be much better with a few more healthy players.....Freeman and at least one more big to help an injured Lewis. But, sh!t happens.
Um sorry but some seem to be forgetting we payed out $2.2 million which was more than we gave to the guy who coached football which is the sport that drives the bus here. If Eddie wants to donate $2.2 million back then we can throw a parade down College Ave after losing last night and call it year 1...otherwise its year 3
For me, it's not that evident. Based on yesterday, sure. Based on the Purdue and other games, absolutely not.
I don't think we are even as good as we looked yesterday and we are certainly not as bad as against Purdue. It's somewhere in between.
It's easy to over-react to the latest game. Let's see how we finish out.
There are some individual player improvements, which is encouraging, and then there are some players who have regressed in all three of Jordan's years here.
Of course, there is still the fact that the end result will be worse in all three of Jordan's years, and the recruiting, aside from Sanders and Freeman, is certainly not B1G caliber.
I had to take you off ignore for this one....that's just silly. With that logic, any coach brought in to do a rebuild would donate their early year salaries because the team struggles while trying to build a full roster. Maybe Tom Crean can give back the $7.5 million he made when Indiana went 8-46 in B1G games his first three years.
Agreed, this team is 6-17 (0-10). It's pretty hard to say they are improving. You are what your record says you are and this team will likely be the worst of EJ's 3 teams.
Any coach brought in here will command the same money. EJ's salary is at the bottom by B1G standards. So for me, the salary argument is irrelevant.
And if we had Lebron, MJ, and Shaq in their prime, EJ would have led us to a B1G championship.
Some players that have regressed over 3 years ? There is only one that played under Jordan for 3 years, Lewis. He played okay last year and this year he has been injured. Who are these other players? Williams, Foreman and Daniels have been here 2 years...two have shown some improvement and Daniels....well, Daniels is Daniels, but, I'll give you that one. Laurent and Sanders have improved from game 1.
Some fans are so accepting of losing over the past decades that 26 straight league losses simply is a non event.Its basically ignored with the reponse of what did you expect with all the injuries.What they fail to mention is how poorly the team played prior to the injuries.
There must be accountability in the athletic department whereby the head coaches are told that the repetitive nature of losing seasons are unacceptable .Kicking the can down the road has destroyed the mens basketball program.
there is a lot of overeacting to last nights game...some seem like they want to throw a parade. The bar has been set so low that normal competitive basketball is cause for superlatives. In the end it was still a loss to the 11th place school in the league who has just as decimated lineup wise as RU. It followed the same pattern of blown games we saw earlier against Wake and SJU. The fact that the game took on a folklore ending when it went into overtime overshadows blowing the lead in regulation. I don't question the effort and heart of the team..thats what we take from the overtimes and not giving up.
RU beat Wisky last year and had a few competitive outings vs MD, Indy and Minny last year but what did that mean, they still lost 15 in a row and now have lost 10 more conference games in a row
really? you don't know that, RU was losing to Wake, SJU, and Creighton with a healthy roster
point is we could have hired Cox for half the money or any babysitter to get these results
Mack had heart, Jack had potential.
Mack played to the best of his ability, Jack didn't show the improvement under Rice or Jordan that should make RU MBB fans claim he was a terrible loss.
Mack , warts and all, was a bigger loss .
Production-wise Feeman should replace Jack easily, while Sanders is already proving a very capable replacement for Myles.
Add Laurent and you have a better fit for the RU MBB team than the disgruntled Etou was .
Constantly bringing up Mack , Jack and Etou , by some, as blast from the past is ridiculous,
because only Mack played to the best of his ability .
Why would anyone take half the money to coach here when that is not even the minimum standard. It makes no sense.
And yes, this team would already have snapped the losing streak if healthy.
RU could have hired an interim coach from the assistant staff...this is for all you people who believe its year 1..its not year 1, its year 3.
So you think Jack played up to his potential and deserves the acclaim some give him as a big loss.
I don't think he came close to his full potential under Rice or Jordan.
That's why he isn't considered a big loss by me and why I feel Freeman can be better for the RU MBB teem than Kareem was.
Etou had potential and it shown some games and he shown nothing other games, my opinion is he wasn't a big loss because of the way he played and seemed to be unhappy ( for whatever reason) which kept him from displaying his talent on a constant bases instead of sporadically.
Not missed by me and feel Laurent will prove to be better for the program.
Won't compare Sanders and Mack because of I feel Mack played to the best of his ability and didn't waste his talent. I consider losing a p;layer with the heart Myles had a fairly big loss on the floor and locker-room.
Sanders is showing the talent he possesses and might wind up as one of the players that can be considered a big loss when they leave and deserve to have that said about them.
Would like to know why Jack and Etou are considered as big as losses as some claim, even though they never lived up to the hype many gave them.
But sure a blame Eddie will be the result, while Rice never will get the blame for Jack's stunted development.
Etou's problems could be on Jordan, but also could be Junior's attitude was the problem.
I won't claim either was the reason he didn't play like he should, just feel leaving was best for him and RU.
Etou was a big loss because the magic wand argument of injuries to excuse everything is being used so having Etou would have made a difference as would the two Johnsons that left...those are Eddies guy he is responsible for their attrition no matter what the reason..that is roster/program management
Another horrible argument. So Etou and the 2 Johnsons were filling the 1 scholarship spot that was left. Fact is we got Laurent because Etou left, and I'll take that trade every day of the week. There is attrition at every school, event he top ones.
RU needed positive PR and anyone from Rice's staff wouldn't have fit that bill.
Rice's actions ( though overblown by press) made Jordan's first season one that has to be overlooked because of what he had facing him because of the fallout of the MR fiasco.
His second season should count as his first in the attempt to rebuild the RU MBB program from what Rice did to it.
Then add the years of futility RU MBB has had since it's last NCAA appearance, Jordan isn't facing an easy task that will allow him to have a quick fix and be able to build a winner by his 4th year.
Not saying he'll build one by his 7th ( many posters said it would take that long when Eddie was hired) because if RU MBB doesn't show improvement by the end of Eddie's 4 year , Hobbs needs to find a replacement ASAP and spend the money to bring in a quality replacement and start working on how to give that HC all he needs to succeed.
Wouldn't be opposed if Hobbs did that after this season, but if it's another hire on the cheap choice I feel Jordan should be given his 4th year before doing that.
