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If the NCAA wants to ban in-helmet comms because of "cost" then the Big Ten should be allowed to allow it for in conference games.

It's not banned for any competition reason. It's purely to accommodate the teams who don't receive as much in conference payouts.
 
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The story that takes this to another level, if true, is that Michigan tried to give information to another school that was about to play a highly ranked team (that Michigan had “scouted”) who was in competition with Michigan for one of the college football playoff spots.
 
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krup said:
The story that takes this to another level, if true, is that Michigan tried to give information to another school that was about to play a highly ranked team (that Michigan had “scouted”) who was in competition with Michigan for one of the college football playoff spots.
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Apparently, they also have all of the expense info on school servers, showing that it wasn’t just a one man operation, and that somehow it’s being funded. I don’t see how they could allow them to play any post season games after this. This isn’t just an “oh, every team does this” type of thing. This was a very, very elaborate scheme to cheat.
 
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So - Michigan - out of the goodness of their heart - offered to help another team out (who would then be playing an opponent they just scouted)? Why would Michigan offer to do this? I mean, doesn't that expose them to some degree (assuming that the "offered" school didn't know that Michigan was illegally scouting teams)?
 
Someone posted a clip or quote somewhere that coaches will exchange notes on each other if they aren't playing again

For example - after the VT game next year the staffs might share what they picked up on and learned about each other.
 
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krup said:
The story that takes this to another level, if true, is that Michigan tried to give information to another school that was about to play a highly ranked team (that Michigan had “scouted”) who was in competition with Michigan for one of the college football playoff spots.
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Yeah but that would put the BIG playoff teams at a disadvantage when they get there
 
Just wondering why sign stealing is banned. I get it is unethical but so are a lot of things that aren't banned. Negative recruiting, pulling scholarships etc.
 
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NickRU714 said:
Someone posted a clip or quote somewhere that coaches will exchange notes on each other if they aren't playing again

For example - after the VT game next year the staffs might share what they picked up on and learned about each other.
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I posted excerpts from an Athletic article from a sign stealer. Coaches do exchange notes and gossip with each other. It was widely known that Michigan good at sign stealing before this ever came out. His team didn't play Michigan and they knew it. Same thing I've read with Venables and Clemson. So it's not like it's secretive. They talk to each other and tell each other man they had our number or our stuff and it gets around. Then you have to take precautions. The other thing that the sign stealer said is that it's very intensive and some times it's for naught if the team ends up changing things or whatever.
 
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Just wondering why sign stealing is banned. I get it is unethical but so are a lot of things that aren't banned. Negative recruiting, pulling scholarships etc.
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It's not banned and it's not illegal. The sending scouts to other venues and filming electronically is illegal. And that's only illegal because of cost reasons and different budgets at different ADs so it's seen as an unfair advantage. It's not even related to the sign stealing itself.
 
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angmo said:
Just wondering why sign stealing is banned. I get it is unethical but so are a lot of things that aren't banned. Negative recruiting, pulling scholarships etc.
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Trying to figure out signs from game film and game day is fine, and normal. Sending someone in a huge ring of scouting to opponents games is illegal in college football. It is not illegal in high school football.
 
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It's not banned and it's not illegal. The sending scouts other venues and filming electronically is illegal. And that's only illegal because of cost reasons and different budgets at different ADs so it's seen as an unfair advantage. It's not even related to the sign stealing itself.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
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It doesn’t matter why it’s not allowed. The point is that there’s obviously an advantage of traveling to your opponents games and using advanced electronics to learn their play signals. If everyone was allowed to do it, that would be a different story. But only Michigan had this advantage. I can’t see how they could be allowed to play in the CFP after this.
 
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krup said:
The story that takes this to another level, if true, is that Michigan tried to give information to another school that was about to play a highly ranked team (that Michigan had “scouted”) who was in competition with Michigan for one of the college football playoff spots.
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Michigan State immediately comes to mind. Why? Because they are the team that was about to cancel their game with Michigan just last week.
 
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Michigan State immediately comes to mind. Why? Because they are the team that was about to cancel their game with Michigan just last week.
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I doubt they reached out to Michigan State with an interim coach and they don’t play OSU for a while. Could conceivably be anyone - even us. Maybe Michigan thought it would help them if we give OSU a better game. Who knows?
 
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I doubt they reached out to Michigan State with an interim coach and they don’t play OSU for a while. Could conceivably be anyone - even us. Maybe Michigan thought it would help them if we give OSU a better game. Who knows?
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Looks like we're talking about LAST YEAR, not this one, so it makes a lot of sense. The filming has been going on for 2 seasons now.
 
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MGSA99 said:
Michigan sign stealing scandal

Listening to sports talk radio on this, speculation says Harbaugh gets suspended by Michigan and then fired for cause. I'll believe it when I see it, but videos are being watched during this investigation during previous games that lends credibility to those predictions.

Look for in-helmet communication to be a thing next year.
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I would enjoy it way more than what is rational if Michigan is required to pay for everyone's in-helmet apparatus.
 
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Apparently, they also have all of the expense info on school servers, showing that it wasn’t just a one man operation, and that somehow it’s being funded. I don’t see how they could allow them to play any post season games after this. This isn’t just an “oh, every team does this” type of thing. This was a very, very elaborate scheme to cheat.
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Let's vacate all wins since this started and hammer them on scholarships and payouts.

Oh wait Pedd State raped children and nothing happened, nothing will happen to UM.
 
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RUScrew85 said:
Let's vacate all wins since this started and hammer them on scholarships and payouts.

Oh wait Pedd State raped children and nothing happened, nothing will happen to UM.
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PSU lost scholarships eventually. Coach Bill O’Brien (the best coach PSU has ever had) worked wonders to keep them afloat…although they did lose to Temple.
 
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Well that's obviously Ohio State.
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Not necessarily, because they were scouting the teams from other conferences that they had the potential to play in the playoff as well.

In fact, it is one of the arguments for how much impact this had, that they ran into a school (TCU) who unexpectedly made a run to the playoffs and looked bad against them, because they probably had not been able to “scout” them like the more likely schools.
 
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Not necessarily, because they were scouting the teams from other conferences that they had the potential to play in the playoff as well.

In fact, it is one of the arguments for how much impact this had, that they ran into a school (TCU) who unexpectedly made a run to the playoffs and looked bad against them, because they probably had not been able to “scout” them like the more likely schools.
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It’s starting to sound like they had a pretty broad window covered. Who says they didn’t scout TCU?
 
CBS Sports >> Michigan football sign-stealing probe began after firm obtained video from school computers, per reports

The Post's anonymous sources say the firm presented a schedule to the NCAA, detailing Michigan's planned travel for sign-stealing for the rest of the year.
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The alleged schedule featured a budget of around $15,000 with scouts attending more than 40 games played by 10 opponents. Ohio State led the way with as many as eight trips and more than $3,000 budged for travel and tickets. Potential College Football Playoff opponent Georgia was next with four or five games scheduled at a total of around $3,000.
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Well this ain't looking particularly good for them!
 
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krup said:
Not necessarily, because they were scouting the teams from other conferences that they had the potential to play in the playoff as well.

In fact, it is one of the arguments for how much impact this had, that they ran into a school (TCU) who unexpectedly made a run to the playoffs and looked bad against them, because they probably had not been able to “scout” them like the more likely schools.
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I would bet a drink it was OSU. The single biggest rivalry in college football (outside of Army/Navy) and they probably wanted OSU 100% out of the way going into the post-season. IMHO, anyway!
 
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I would bet a drink it was OSU. The single biggest rivalry in college football (outside of Army/Navy) and they probably wanted OSU 100% out of the way going into the post-season. IMHO, anyway!
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I think you are missing the point that for it to be be OSU, Michigan would have had to approach a B1G conference opponent, who would then get suspicious over whether Michigan was doing the same thing to them.

Much more likely it was a team from another conference, so Michigan could approach a team that is not on their schedule (real or potential) with the information.
 
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I think you are missing the point that for it to be be OSU, Michigan would have had to approach a B1G conference opponent, who would then get suspicious over whether Michigan was doing the same thing to them.

Much more likely it was a team from another conference, so Michigan could approach a team that is not on their schedule (real or potential) with the information.
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Hence my thinking that MSU was the team approached AND that's why they were ready to cancel the game vs Michigan last week.
 
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Hence my thinking that MSU was the team approached AND that's why they were ready to cancel the game vs Michigan last week.
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I thought I read they approached an OOC opponent to share info. I am leaning towards UGA. This is why smart is being coy when answering questions.

If it was a B1G member my money is on Maryland as they were last game prior to Michigan game.
 
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still needs to be asked, what the heck is taking the BIG so long to investigate on it's own and make a statement????
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They don't know what to do. You have a flagship school in the mix for a national title but the B1G knows it has to do something. I suspect we'll see the Spygate treatment -- Michigan will take a hit on their monetary distribution, probably lose a few scholarships, and they'll call it closed. I don't think they do anything to derail Michigan's current season.

And, when it's all done, I think Harbaugh to the NFL (Washington?) becomes a reality in the offseason.
 
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They don't know what to do. You have a flagship school in the mix for a national title but the B1G knows it has to do something. I suspect we'll see the Spygate treatment -- Michigan will take a hit on their monetary distribution, probably lose a few scholarships, and they'll call it closed. I don't think they do anything to derail Michigan's current season.

And, when it's all done, I think Harbaugh to the NFL (Washington?) becomes a reality in the offseason.
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such bs imho and it boggles my mind why any school even cooperates with the ncaa given their history of nonenforcement

BIG needs to step in and hammer Michigan
 
If the NCAA is serious about this situation they will foot the bill for all programs to have electronics for all teams who want it (which would be everyone). I'm pretty sure a multi-billion dollar group can afford it. It can easily be done in the offseason.
 
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Hence my thinking that MSU was the team approached AND that's why they were ready to cancel the game vs Michigan last week.
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You think Michigan was cheating, and they approached Michigan State with information on OSU that would not only make Michigan State wonder how Michigan got that information, but make Michigan State realize that Michigan was almost certainly compiling similar information on MSU and giving it to their opponents?

How does that make sense? Michigan State hates Michigan a lot more than they hate Ohio State.
 
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Can’t wait to say Sayonara to Coach Cheatbaugh! This scandal puts a tarnish on what a “Michigan Man” is , and the Michigan program. Nobody likes a cheat. Michigan players may have had their individual achievements unfairly boosted , while opposing players may have had their opportunity to excel on the field curtailed.
 
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