FB Recruiting Transfer QB Athan Kaliakmanis visiting RU

[PSAL_Hoops]

Mild You absolutely did imply that every HC football decision is only about winning. Further, you use that premise to imply validating QB1 decisions. You tried to refute my point about sticking with GW.

Why do the Jets continue to hype Zack Wilson as the QB of the future and not the bust he has been ? Because the GM and HC who drafted him #2 won’t admit their total failure.

That’s how it works.

GW is Schiano’s star recruit and continues to protect him because it protects himself too, especially with 7 more years on his contract.

Man your really twisting this. I believe what was said is that coaches (Greg included) generally make decisions that they believe are best for the program and that usually means decisions they believe will help the team win. Anything other than that would be completely irrational. Sometimes they might be thinking about winning in the longer term vs. the current season.

Greg knows he will have a good defense next year. He’s got the leading rusher in the BIG coming back. We just landed a top notch receiver. He’s not stupid. He knows this could be a big year for us next season. He’s not thinking - oh, I want Gavin even if it means we don’t win. There’s no way. Nothing you’ve said indicates this would be his plan if he brought in a QB that Kirk wants that fits Kirk’s style (I.e. not Evan).

 

[Shelby65]

Well, if you can't fire him- he no longer is tied to the success of GW- the extension and raise just put that to rest. Greg's only goal until SS kicks in, is to win, get another raise.
So- next year- he can do whatever the heck he wants to d even if GW tells him he will transfer...

If Hobbs made him wait until next year- then I would agree and say that he may be tied at the hip to Gavin this year.

Fair points, but you’re leaving out NIL commitments and other GW promises. Or He may even have promised QB2 next year to Sheppard. We don’t know the specifics here. But it’s a fact that promises happen and a HC needs to keep them else word gets around…..

And Hobbs doesn’t care about football decisions, only the $$.

Who recruited Simon ?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Fair points, but you’re leaving out NIL commitments and other GW promises. Or He may even have promised QB2 next year to Sheppard. We don’t know the specifics here. But it’s a fact that promises happen and a HC needs to keep them else word gets around…..

And Hobbs doesn’t care about football decisions, only the $$.

Who recruited Simon ?

Are you kidding? Now you think he made “promises” to Sheppard? What’s wrong with you? That’s not how it works. Your talking nonsense there with no basis at all. Simon was recruited for the Gleeson era. He did not fit with what Kirk is trying to do.

 

[NickRU714]

It's pretty funny how tightly fans cling to the delusion that they have it all figured out while the professional coaching staff must be stupid and incompetent.

"But, but.... but they aren't perfect". 😂

Not saying fans aren't delusional, but there are a whole lot of professional coaching staff that get fired for being bad at their job.

Just because someone is a professional coach doesn't automatically mean they are good at it - just like any other job.

 

[NickRU714]

Back on topic - is the assumption now that this kid isn't going to commit?
Or at least not in the short term?

And if not, are there any other QB targets? It's a dead period now right so nobody can actually visit?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Not saying fans aren't delusional, but there are a whole lot of professional coaching staff that get fired for being bad at their job.

Just because someone is a professional coach doesn't automatically mean they are good at it - just like any other job.

Absolutely - but the point is a professional at least believes they are acting in the best interest of the program. What Shelby is suggesting Greg is doing wouldnt jive with this.

 

[Shelby65]

Are you kidding? Now you think he made “promises” to Sheppard? What’s wrong with you? That’s not how it works. You’re talking nonsense there with no basis at all. Simon was recruited for the Gleeson era. He did not fit with what Kirk is trying to do.

I said ‘we don’t know’. It’s certainly possible. Promises happen during recruiting and year to year. Until there’s a credible QB added to challenge GW we won’t know if GS wants one. It’s that simple.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Back on topic - is the assumption now that this kid isn't going to commit?
Or at least not in the short term?

And if not, are there any other QB targets? It's a dead period now right so nobody can actually visit?

My guess is even if he was going to commit he was probably asked to wait until after the 28th. Greg wants to win the bowl game. It would be a distraction for Gavin if that was announced now. What’s the big deal to wait until the 29th?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I said ‘we don’t know’. It’s certainly possible. Promises happen during recruiting and year to year. Until there’s a credible QB added to challenge GW we won’t know if GS wants one. It’s that simple.

We know. He was not a high profile recruit that would have that kind of clout. Your making stuff up. Greg isn’t promising anyone a spot on the 2 deep.

 

[Shelby65]

Back on topic - is the assumption now that this kid isn't going to commit?
Or at least not in the short term?

And if not, are there any other QB targets? It's a dead period now right so nobody can actually visit?

My assumption is mutual disinterest. The kid visits to find out if he’ll be given an honest chance to beat out GW. When he learns he will not, he’s not interested and therefore no offer is made. I think that’s how it probably went down and why all other credible QBs will also end up elsewhere.

 

[Shelby65]

My guess is even if he was going to commit he was probably asked to wait until after the 28th. Greg wants to win the bowl game. It would be a distraction for Gavin if that was announced now. What’s the big deal to wait until the 29th?

Baloney. If GS really has to protect a 3rd year QB’s psyche bc he can’t handle the idea of competing for QB1 in a year, holy shit that’s pathetic.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Baloney. If GS really has to protect a 3rd year QB’s psyche bc he can’t handle the idea of competing for QB1 in a year, holy shit that’s pathetic.

No dude. It’s not that. It would be about the media distractions. He’s already getting questions just on the visit. He just wants the focus to be on the bowl game.

 

[Shelby65]

We know. He was not a high profile recruit that would have that kind of clout. You’re making stuff up. Greg isn’t promising anyone a spot on the 2 deep.

That’s a fair point, but conflicts with your assertion that GW wouldn’t merit promises. Isn’t he Schiano’s highest rated recruit ?

Sheppard no, Wimsatt yes ?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

My assumption is mutual disinterest. The kid visits to find out if he’ll be given an honest chance to beat out GW. When he learns he will not, he’s not interested and therefore no offer is made. I think that’s how it probably went down and why all other credible QBs will also end up elsewhere.

Right I’m sure it went down that way. We brought him to Rutgers and Greg sat him down and told him - you won’t play for us if you come here. I already have a QB I’m planning to stick with. Sorry. Do you really think this happened?

 

[Shelby65]

No dude. It’s not that. It would be about the media distractions. He’s already getting questions just on the visit. He just wants the focus to be on the bowl game.

Maybe. I’ll give you that one.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

That’s a fair point, but conflicts with your assertion that GW wouldn’t merit promises. Isn’t he Schiano’s highest rated recruit ?

Sheppard no, Wimsatt yes ?

Absolutely - but that promise was long fulfilled and then some. Gavin was given every chance to grow into the starting role. A year and a half’s worth. Promises are not indefinite. Nobody is promised to be the QB for every minute of their eligibility even if they suck. The promise would’ve been about getting the opportunity to learn on the job coming in so young. That opportunity was granted already. Gavin will not be allowed another season of under 50% completions.

 

[Shelby65]

Right I’m sure it went down that way. We brought him to Rutgers and Greg sat him down and told him - you won’t play for us if you come here. I already have a QB I’m planning to stick with. Sorry. Do you really think this happened?

Of course he might play: injury, terrible qb play, etc. but these kinds of discussions do happen. he could very well have been told GW is the likely starter.

Too many people here simply don’t understand that promises are made to ‘preferred’ players being recruited in hs and the portal and GW is most certainly that.

 

[mildone]

Not saying fans aren't delusional, but there are a whole lot of professional coaching staff that get fired for being bad at their job.

Just because someone is a professional coach doesn't automatically mean they are good at it - just like any other job.

I never said all coaches are good at their jobs. Some qualified educated experienced professional coach, other than GS, might come here and make different choices, different decisions, and might have more success.

But no fans could do so.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Quoted Bob above.

The Bob who I have blocked because he is a blithering idiot? I didn't see it.

 

[Shelby65]

Absolutely - but that promise was long fulfilled and then some. Gavin was given every chance to grow into the starting role. A year and a half’s worth. Promises are not indefinite. Nobody is promised to be the QB for every minute of their eligibility even if they suck. The promise would’ve been about getting the opportunity to learn on the job coming in so young. That opportunity was granted already. Gavin will not be allowed another season of under 50% completions.

Maybe fulfilled maybe not. You don’t know the time frame for the promises, protection, etc. Could be a new promise for a second year with KC. At least you recognize promises happen, so that’s a first step into the light.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Of course he might play: injury, terrible qb play, etc. but these kinds of discussions do happen. he could very well have been told GW is the likely starter.

Too many people here simply don’t understand that promises are made to ‘preferred’ players being recruited in hs and the portal and GW is most certainly that.

All I know is we brought in for a visit a QB who previously played and became the starter under Kirk before he left Minny. That sure sounds to me like we are considering other possibilities if Gavin doesn’t elevate his game (whether Athan commits or not). The alternative theories you are suggesting seem like extreme reaches. And that’s being generous. Think about how busy a time it is right now with all the recruiting deadlines coming up. Bowl game prep. The dead period approaching. And you think - what - Kirk is going to take time out to do Athan a favor and go through the motions of a visit for the heck of it? It doesn’t make any sense at all what you suggest.

 

[Knight Shift]

The Bob who I have blocked because he is a blithering idiot? I didn't see it.

Bob runs hot and cold. When he's hot, he's blistering. He does have some solid posts. He blocked me, and I cried for days.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Maybe fulfilled maybe not. You don’t know the time frame for the promises, protection, etc. Could be a new promise for a second year with KC. At least you recognize promises happen, so that’s a first step into the light.

Yeah I’m sure he was promised some latitude giving up his senior year of high school to grow into the position. I agree he wouldve had to be awful to not get a crack at the starting role this season. I do think if things weren’t going well early though Greg would’ve changed things up. But we started 6-2. Next season is a whole different ball game.

 

[chase_NJ]

That’s a fair point, but conflicts with your assertion that GW wouldn’t merit promises. Isn’t he Schiano’s highest rated recruit ?

Sheppard no, Wimsatt yes ?

Nope.

 

[Shelby65]

All I know is we brought in for a visit a QB who previously played and became the starter under Kirk before he left Minny. That sure sounds to me like we are considering other possibilities if Gavin doesn’t elevate his game (whether Athan commits or not). The alternative theories you are suggesting seem like extreme reaches. And that’s being generous. Think about how busy a time it is right now with all the recruiting deadlines coming up. Bowl game prep. The dead period approaching. And you think - what - Kirk is going to take time out to do Athan a favor and go through the motions of a visit for the heck of it? It doesn’t make any sense at all what you suggest.

Yes, i think that Kirk would do that. They have a relationship and he’d find the time.

Speaking of ‘extreme reach’ I highly doubt GS would ask AK to postpone committing until after the bowl game to prevent media distraction for GW.

If that happens, mucho credit to you but a concerning issue re: GW’s fragility.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Yes, i think that Kirk would do that. They have a relationship and he’d find the time.

Speaking of ‘extreme reach’ I highly doubt GS would ask AK to postpone committing until after the bowl game to prevent media distraction for GW.

If that happens, mucho credit to you but a concerning issue re: GW’s fragility.

We’re busy prepping for a bowl game and getting ready for HS sign day and the transfer portal dead period and you think we’re setting time aside for a courtesy? Yeah sure. Ok.

 

[Shelby65]

Yeah I’m sure he was promised some latitude giving up his senior year of high school to grow into the position. I agree he wouldve had to be awful to not get a crack at the starting role this season. I do think if things weren’t going well early though Greg would’ve changed things up. But we started 6-2. Next season is a whole different ball game.

I agree with a lot of that but I think going 6-6 this year extends the GW commitment and prevents a real QB1 competition again.

We will see who’s right based on who GS brings in. It will be obvious if the new QB is or isn’t a legit contender for QB1.

 

[Shelby65]

We’re busy prepping for a bowl game and getting ready for HS sign day and the transfer portal dead period and you think we’re setting time aside for a courtesy? Yeah sure. Ok.

for a two-way interview with others visiting too. Absolutely

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Yes, i think that Kirk would do that. They have a relationship and he’d find the time.

Speaking of ‘extreme reach’ I highly doubt GS would ask AK to postpone committing until after the bowl game to prevent media distraction for GW.

If that happens, mucho credit to you but a concerning issue re: GW’s fragility.

I guess you don’t listen to any of the interviews or podcasts… Kirk was asked about the QB visit in his pre bowl interview - it was an extremely awkward response and very clear he and Schiano don’t want it on the radar right now.

 

[NickRU714]

My guess is even if he was going to commit he was probably asked to wait until after the 28th. Greg wants to win the bowl game. It would be a distraction for Gavin if that was announced now. What’s the big deal to wait until the 29th?

That seems pretty dumb personally.

So the stsff is going to lie to Gavin and team for 2 weeks just to win one game (that really won't matter win or lose).

I get they want to "focus" but too bad. Then don't have any visits before the bowl.
That's the job.

Whats the reaction going to be on 12/30 if Athan commits after 2 weeks of presuming Athan isn't coming here?
"Oh sorry Gavin. We didn't know what was happening. Disregard all the assurances we've given you over the last two weeks."

I would imagine Gavin immediately enters the Portal anyway then.
Its only awkward if the staff isn't truthful with the team when they say "every position is always being evaluated and open for competition".

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

That seems pretty dumb personally.

So the stsff is going to lie to Gavin and team for 2 weeks just to win one game (that really won't matter win or lose).

I get they want to "focus" but too bad. Then don't have any visits before the bowl.
That's the job.

Whats the reaction going to be on 12/30 if Athan commits after 2 weeks of presuming Athan isn't coming here?
"Oh sorry Gavin. We didn't know what was happening. Disregard all the assurances we've given you over the last two weeks."

I would imagine Gavin immediately enters the Portal anyway then.
Its only awkward if the staff isn't truthful with the team when they say "every position is always being evaluated and open for competition".

No - that’s not what I’m saying at all. Nothing is being kept secret from Gavin. I’m sure he’s in the loop on the situation whatever it is. It’s the surrounding drama of the talking heads that can be a distraction. Greg isn’t as anti social media as Pike (who would toss the phones down the river) but he still isn’t going to want hundreds of questions flowing about what the new QB means for next year right now.

And by the way, I don’t think Gavin will enter the portal if we land Athan. His path to starting at RU would still be better than at most FBS programs he would transfer to.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Every position should be open competition. If AK comes to RU and GW stays, it is fair to say to GW: you will start spring ball as the #1, but you will need to earn the right to stay #1 at the end of spring ball.

 

[NickRU714]

No - that’s not what I’m saying at all. Nothing is being kept secret from Gavin. I’m sure he’s in the loop on the situation whatever it is. It’s the surrounding drama of the talking heads that can be a distraction. Greg isn’t as anti social media as Pike (who would toss the phones down the river) but he still isn’t going to want hundreds of questions flowing about what the new QB means for next year right now.

And by the way, I don’t think Gavin will enter the portal if we land Athan. His path to starting at RU would still be better than at most FBS programs he would transfer to.

But as you said in another post, aren't those questions being asked anyway of the staff?

So it's a distraction either way it seems.
If a QB committed "new QB next year blah blah".
If a QB hasn't committed "what are doing about QB next year blah blah".

 

[RUTGERS95]

Not saying fans aren't delusional, but there are a whole lot of professional coaching staff that get fired for being bad at their job.

Just because someone is a professional coach doesn't automatically mean they are good at it - just like any other job.

I wish everyone understood this

 

[Shelby65]

No - that’s not what I’m saying at all. Nothing is being kept secret from Gavin. I’m sure he’s in the loop on the situation whatever it is. It’s the surrounding drama of the talking heads that can be a distraction. Greg isn’t as anti social media as Pike (who would toss the phones down the river) but he still isn’t going to want hundreds of questions flowing about what the new QB means for next year right now.

And by the way, I don’t think Gavin will enter the portal if we land Athan. His path to starting at RU would still be better than at most FBS programs he would transfer to.

Not necessarily. For whatever it’s worth, Schiano did specifically say he has not discussed bringing in a portal QB with Gavin. So if that’s true, he indeed is protecting Gavin’s psyche which I think would be pathetic for a 3rd yr player or he has nothing to discuss because it’s not happening.

If I’m wrong and this is a done deal and being kept quiet until after the game for reasons that don’t make sense to me, I’ll be the first to applaud PSAL for the intuition.

I just don’t see it. Does his brother get a schollie too in a position we don’t need ?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Not necessarily. For whatever it’s worth, Schiano did specifically say he has not discussed bringing in a portal QB with Gavin. So if that’s true, he indeed is protecting Gavin’s psyche which I think would be pathetic for a 3rd yr player or he has nothing to discuss because it’s not happening.

If I’m wrong and this is a done deal and being kept quiet until after the game for reasons that don’t make sense to me, I’ll be the first to applaud PSAL for the intuition.

I just don’t see it. Does his brother get a schollie too in a position we don’t need ?

I have no idea if it’s a done deal. I just don’t think we would’ve announced signing a new QB before the bowl game regardless. It would be a dumb, distracting thing to do with the game being next week. There would be no reason not to just wait a week. It’s not like a new QB would join the team on campus before the holidays.

 

[AM ClocksPF]

Not necessarily. For whatever it’s worth, Schiano did specifically say he has not discussed bringing in a portal QB with Gavin. So if that’s true, he indeed is protecting Gavin’s psyche which I think would be pathetic for a 3rd yr player or he has nothing to discuss because it’s not happening.

If I’m wrong and this is a done deal and being kept quiet until after the game for reasons that don’t make sense to me, I’ll be the first to applaud PSAL for the intuition.

I just don’t see it. Does his brother get a schollie too in a position we don’t need ?

WRONG!! Schiano said his conversations with GW are private and he will not discuss this with the media, he never said he never discussed this with GW.

Schiano has said in the past that no position is promised and when he recruits kids he tells them they will get opportunities for their position but NO ONE is promised a starting job.

Dude, you are delusional.

 

[vkj91]

Not necessarily. For whatever it’s worth, Schiano did specifically say he has not discussed bringing in a portal QB with Gavin. So if that’s true, he indeed is protecting Gavin’s psyche which I think would be pathetic for a 3rd yr player or he has nothing to discuss because it’s not happening.

If I’m wrong and this is a done deal and being kept quiet until after the game for reasons that don’t make sense to me, I’ll be the first to applaud PSAL for the intuition.

I just don’t see it. Does his brother get a schollie too in a position we don’t need ?

you are reaching. I'd be willing to bet the visit was nothing more than a formality. Unless the kid got raped on his visit or curb stomped a co ed he will be here in the spring. Have we heard of him taking any other visits? Minnesota had to pay a 5th year grad, 3rd string QB 30k to play in their bowl game. If he didn't already have a home he wouldn't have ended up in the portal until spring.

 

[RU-Kidding]

WRONG!! Schiano said his conversations with GW are private and he will not discuss this with the media, he never said he never discussed this with GW.

Schiano has said in the past that no position is promised and when he recruits kids he tells them they will get opportunities for their position but NO ONE is promised a starting job.

Dude, you are delusional.

Shelby this should be easy for you. Please provide a published link quoting Schiano wherein you stated that he “specifically said he has not discussed bringing in a portal QB with Gavin.”

 

[mdk01]

You guys are wasting your time and giving the troll exactly what he craves.