So it has been decided that Rettig can't run the spread? I saw no
indication of any such thing.
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indication of any such thing.
You must be wrong because our fans are smarter than all of the coaches including Ralph who also said Laviano was better, the mods on both sites who said Rettig had a ways to go, etc. And just remember the fans were all behind Natale until the first half of the first game a number of years back. Then, not so much.
I wouldn't mind a free agent QB for a quick fix. No chance Allen comes here. He's a West Coast guy who will have plenty of programs interested. Maybe Knight will have some interest though.
So you mean if Rettig played a meaningful series or three and performed poorly, there would have been no QB controversy? Fat chance.
Well, no, I am not sure he can't but the question is will he want to? I am pretty sure that the our offensive style was the one of the biggest reasons why he chose to transfer to RU in the first place and it seems like his skill set is more suited for the pro style. I hope I am wrong.
I agree with this 100% but are you reading what some of the other knuckleheads are saying about him in this thread and booed him when he was having a great game against MD. I was all for Rettig and all for a 2 QB system. It works for OSU. On the other hand Michigan State rarely used their backups but he came in and played a great game to win the BIG East and get them to the title game so the 1 QB system also works.
As many of us know, the QB position is critical but they need to have a system and players around them to succeed. We were completely overmatched against Nebraska's D, OSU, Michigan and even Penn St. In those games I would have given Rettig a shot. Maybe his big arm forces them to play a little on their heels and opens the run game. Who knows. But don't bash Laviano. He made a lot of good plays this year when we were not completely overmatched. he may be our starting QB next year and if he is don't do what you (our fanbase) did to Teel and Nova. If our fans continue to treat our QB's that way then coach Ash will be looking for an NFL or other P5 job in 3 years. Teel was getting killed when we went 11-2 for his one bad game against Cinci. It just never ends.
How do we know what Fridge thought? And not for nothing but the mod mainly responsible for covering the team on this site was very blunt on the QB assessment and it does not back up your post at all.
At the end of the day, its over and not really worthy of the back and forth as we most likely will have a new offensive style next season. Seems like it will be spread based and depending on the type of spread could be very aligned with Laviano's, Retting's/Dare's, or Gio's skill sets. Will be very interesting to watch
REPEAT AFTER ME. Rettig will not and basically cannot transfer. If you transfer a second time you have to sit out a year regardless of the level. That would leave him 1 year to play and makes very little sense
That's my whole point. Its all assumption. Rettig couldn't have been worse? You sure about that? Heck, are you even sure that Rettig has a stronger arm than Laviano? I actually tend to think actual arm strength had nothing to do with it, but rather that Laviano had bad mechanics, which he failed to really improve with any consistency. Another large aspect was that whomever was in at QB was likely to be hit very hard, repeatedly due to the O line issues. Laviano took a beating, and generally made either a decent decision, hung in and threw only to get pounded, or took the sack without fumbling. If Rettig was likely to cough up the ball in a strip/sack scenario or make Nova-like decisions in the face of a sack, should he still have seen meaningful time? Those kind of issues will kill a team very quickly. Unfortunately, sometimes "ineffective" is an upgrade if the other player is likely to commit turnovers. BUt what I was really saying is that no one knows the reasons, and whether they made sense or not.
To the extent this was directed at me, I apologize. But I never intended it to be about Flood, just about the Laviano bashing. You see I had a few beers, and got a bit worked up over the "Rettig is good but Laviano isnt" post.
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
Who are you a football god>> Rettig has a much more upside? And outside of the scum from the local rag what professional QB evaluator did you hear this crap from
Far bigger arm <<<<< which by the way was a rocket but much less accurate
produced when he got in<<< the two games he did get in resulted in time outs as he could not read his arm band for a play
The kid was mentally slow to be a field general. (BTW held the ball too long) His physical attributes were good but the play calling and understand his responsibility of knowing what to call and how to call a play are grossly lacking.
Please you just regurgitate what others say. and it becomes folk lore not any truth at all.
Yes Rettig should of had more garbage time, so you could see his erratic rockets arm, and absents of command of the play book and the players.
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His vision is 100% better than Rettigs, Laviano eluded so many sacks with his vision and elusiveness where Rettig is a statue.
He waved at AHole fans for booing him, good for Laviano and screw your definition of a fan.
He is 21 now so he will not need a fake id. good thing that you never drank before you were 21.
He should put people like you down on twitter.
imbazza: I think Cali's point is that we had a guy on our team who could make all the throws. It was up to the coaching staff to utilize that weapon, and they didn't. Instead, we put in Laviano who has the heart of a Lion but an arm that doesn't look Big Ten caliber.
Flood should have done one of two things: 1.) Simplify whatever it is in the offense that is hanging Rettig up mentally (be it the play-call verbiage or the playbook itself) or 2.) switch to a spread offense with 3 & 5 step drops, rollouts, read options, speed options, etc.
In other words, Flood should have picked his QB and built the offense around that person's strengths. Instead, we have Laviano running a pro-offense.
The results speak for themselves.
Flood should have done one of two things: 1.) Simplify whatever it is in the offense that is hanging Rettig up mentally (be it the play-call verbiage or the playbook itself) or 2.) switch to a spread offense with 3 & 5 step drops, rollouts, read options, speed options, etc.
In other words, Flood should have picked his QB and built the offense around that person's strengths. Instead, we have Laviano running a pro-offense.
The results speak for themselves.
Rettig is a statue you? Better rewatch the games. He doesn't get tackled as
much as CL, because he is more elusive. and in the 1/2 game he did play
he averaged 8.7 yards per game running with the ball. Please be free to use
an open mind and check
the statistics. Laviano age has changed but how about his character. Did you
see Rettig crying on twitter? Of course not, he has true character which
he proved all year. Handled himself well under tough circumstances.
The other guy was pampered all year, and he couldn'T keep IT together.
AND HE WAS NEVER BOOED, BUT YOU KNOW THAT DON'T YOU?
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Here's a quote that struck me when reading about Chris Ash's in-home visit with Solomon Manning:
"He said he's a 4-3 type of guy," said Manning. "That's what he believes in. But he has to look at his personnel first."
See, to me, that's a very important characteristic of a coach: build the scheme around your players' strengths. That quote tells me everything I need to know right there.
"He said he's a 4-3 type of guy," said Manning. "That's what he believes in. But he has to look at his personnel first."
See, to me, that's a very important characteristic of a coach: build the scheme around your players' strengths. That quote tells me everything I need to know right there.
You truly do not see but you read propaganda well. Another regurgitation of lies.
Laviano Hit 40 yard TDs in many case wastebasket throws.
we had a guy on our team who could make all the throws<< yes, his name CHRIS
It was up to the coaching staff to utilize that weapon, and they didn't<< NO THEY DID play the best guy. If your job is on the line do you really think our OC put the second best QB on the field ?? Think how stupid the "Rittig is a better QB but does not start" sounds. Coaches want to win more then you, to them it is ~1/4 million dollars they lose when them make the wrong choice.
The last blue highlight ...go to the spread, this is too funny and naïve
So to say Laviano was so bad use stats to prove you are right
2015 Laviano In the B1G
6th in yards/game
6th in pass Eff.
4 in TD passes These are a sophomore stats
BTW #1 Sudfield 8.8 y/pass
C.Jones=8.3 y/pass
Cook=7.9 Y/pass
Armstrong=7.5Y/pass
Laviano=7.3 Y/pass makes him 5th in B1G
Hack=6.9 and he is a great pro prospect
Prove Laviano was a bad QB go back and compare Laviano to Nova's sophomore year .
BTW Nova= soft Big east Laviano=Hardest league in nation and if you never post the stats I can assume I am correct
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Every one is talking about Rettig's in ability to comprehend the play
book but that is not what was said, it was that Laviano was ahead, according
to flood. Would that not be expected" Retting was in his first week
and Laviano was in his 3rd year with RU. Duh
book but that is not what was said, it was that Laviano was ahead, according
to flood. Would that not be expected" Retting was in his first week
and Laviano was in his 3rd year with RU. Duh
Fully expect at least 4 to 5 transfers or players leaving. Not uncommon when change in coaching regimes.
Not-for-nothing, BUT, Laviano compiled "big" #'s against some of the nation's very worse D's and Pass Efficiency D's (NFSU, Wazzou, Indiana, Maryland, Kansas, even MSU's Pass D was about 88th nationally, when we played them, before finishing 69th...LC just did a GREAT job against a very young secondary that night...). Even against Nebraska's 79th ranked PED he performed very poorly.
Now, I've never said he shouldn't be the starter, but, there is NO question in my mind that Rettig should have been given more opportunities. Flood's "we decided we wouldn't make any changes at QB, until the 4th quarter, prior to the game," was easily one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a HC say publicly.
literally everything you say is pure speculation. we never found out either way, despite them being "too close to call" in camp. why not?
We can debate this until next fracking century.
NOBODY knows how good/bad Rettig is. Laviano might be head and shoulders above him. But the bottom line is this--Laviano did not produce in several games so would it have been a tragedy to AT LEAST give Rettig a chance?
I don't give too much of a damn about the email/meeting with the professor, but this simple statement is exactly why I'm happy we have a former coach.
NOBODY knows how good/bad Rettig is. Laviano might be head and shoulders above him. But the bottom line is this--Laviano did not produce in several games so would it have been a tragedy to AT LEAST give Rettig a chance?
I don't give too much of a damn about the email/meeting with the professor, but this simple statement is exactly why I'm happy we have a former coach.
Think you might want to invest in a pair of glasses; it was plain as day obvious that Rettig had a much stronger arm and far more capable of zipping the ball. One does not need 10-quarters of play to see this and if you do sorry! 2nd based upon the terrible performance of Laviano, Rettig should have been given a fair shake, which he did not. So based upon ~8quarters of play from Rettig and all season of Laviano, Rettig should have played far more in the last 2-3 games in a minimum. In summary, your assessment is dead wrong, distorted and misguided.
I don't know why not. But I meant for my post to be all speculation. That was the whole point I was making. You said "Rettig couldn't have been any worse." But you don't know that.
The staff picked their guy, and stuck with him. The end result, is that nobody knows who is better. Check my first post...all I was saying was that it was impossible for anyone to claim Rettig or Laviano is better. We simply do not know, because the staff never let it play out in public.
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Again, my only "assessment" is that anyone claiming that they know who was better, Laviano or Rettig, is talking out their ass. Read my posts again. I am not arguing what you seem to think I am arguing.
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It was reported right after Flood said who was starting. He said after consulting with the OC and Ralph, they were all in agreement that Laviano gave them a better chance to win.
At this point we don't have a qb. The 4 guys on the roster now are pure drop back guys. Russo is not a fit for the spread and will go elsewhere. Rettig transferred out of LSU because he wasn't,t a spread qb. Perhaps win bush at ND will see the writing on the wall and realize that he is not going to see the field for at least two years and come home. We really need a transfer.
yes, exactly. now you get it. we never got the chance to find out. we should have gotten that chance. thanks for seeing it our way.
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as fans, all we have are general assessments that were made preseason last year....it was reported that Rettig had the bigger arm, not as astute with the playbook, and not
as shifty in the pocket, less mobile....
a lot of us are thus assuming now that the less mobile part puts Rettig at a disadvantage of being chosen starter, if we run a spread..... it has been pointed out by others that being
mobile is not a necessity for some spread formation plays, since the qb is not expected to run on those..... other spread offenses have the qb running on a number of plays
I seem to remember that Rettig did have at least one scramble first down during the Norfolk game... not that it is an indication of his being able to move well in the pocket.
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I agree Rettig should have played more in the last 2-3 games. And what about
the easy teams where he could have picked up some more experience. Flood
dropped the ball so bad I believe (don't beat me up on this) that this played a lot
i n the decision to can him. This includes giving a player a half day suspension
with all that was going on with the other 8 players. I think from the first day on
the powers that be had said " uh- oh Houston we have a problem. Also still
cognizant when his boss couldn't even talk to her students without putting her
foot in her mouth. I know I ran off on a tangent but I now think we made
some good hires and are off to some thing good.
