UCONN Board's thread about our increase in applications!

[SkilletHead2]

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[gigantor1024]

not to mention theyre not even close to RU in academics/research

my father said for all 3 of his children there is one public university he would never pay tuition for if we chose to attend, it was PUCONN

 

[SanFranRutgers]

UCONN?

Who cares?

 

[BuggsyRU]

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

Wow did you miss the point.

School officials at UCONN were GLOATING that they got 9 percent increase in applications. That is a great accomplishment.

We did 25 percent better than that at 12 percent, yet these posters make it sound like 12 percent is not so great. They are just uninformed, and should be told so.

Our increase is definitely worth beating our chests about. Very few schools in the country can match this.

Not sure what point there is to miss. The articles I've read cite joining the Big 10 as the impetus behind our increase. UConn has no such boost.

So in our first year on the big stage, our normal 100 applicants from the year before jumped to 112. That's great.

UConn sucked in their second year in the worst football conference known to man, and their 100 applicants jumped to 109.

If you're factoring sports into the equation, heck, I might argue that's a more impressive feat as well.

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.






This post was edited on 4/2 6:56 PM by BuggsyRU

 

[RUTBAY]

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

Wow did you miss the point.

School officials at UCONN were GLOATING that they got 9 percent increase in applications. That is a great accomplishment.

We did 25 percent better than that at 12 percent, yet these posters make it sound like 12 percent is not so great. They are just uninformed, and should be told so.

Our increase is definitely worth beating our chests about. Very few schools in the country can match this.

Um... you may want to check your math.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Originally posted by RUTBAY:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

Wow did you miss the point.

School officials at UCONN were GLOATING that they got 9 percent increase in applications. That is a great accomplishment.

We did 25 percent better than that at 12 percent, yet these posters make it sound like 12 percent is not so great. They are just uninformed, and should be told so.

Our increase is definitely worth beating our chests about. Very few schools in the country can match this.

Um... you may want to check your math.

Ok, if it makes you happy, instead I'll say that their applications rise was only 75 percent of what our applications increase was.


This post was edited on 4/2 11:08 PM by BuggsyRU

 

[rurichdog]

9% of a small number is still a small number

 

[RUTBAY]

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by RUTBAY:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

Wow did you miss the point.

School officials at UCONN were GLOATING that they got 9 percent increase in applications. That is a great accomplishment.

We did 25 percent better than that at 12 percent, yet these posters make it sound like 12 percent is not so great. They are just uninformed, and should be told so.

Our increase is definitely worth beating our chests about. Very few schools in the country can match this.

Um... you may want to check your math.

Ok, if it makes you happy, instead I'll say that their applications rise was only 75 percent of what our applications increase was.


This post was edited on 4/2 11:08 PM by BuggsyRU

No offense intended, seriously. I figured your's was just a passing comment and it is a common statistical mistake. I was just trying to head off the inevitable carping from any UConn visitors or statements on their board about the quality of a Rutgers education.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Well, they've got a long way to go to approach Syracuse's level of enmity.

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

Wow did you miss the point.

School officials at UCONN were GLOATING that they got 9 percent increase in applications. That is a great accomplishment.

We did 25 percent better than that at 12 percent, yet these posters make it sound like 12 percent is not so great. They are just uninformed, and should be told so.

Our increase is definitely worth beating our chests about. Very few schools in the country can match this.

Not sure what point there is to miss. The articles I've read cite joining the Big 10 as the impetus behind our increase. UConn has no such boost.

So in our first year on the big stage, our normal 100 applicants from the year before jumped to 112. That's great.

UConn sucked in their second year in the worst football conference known to man, and their 100 applicants jumped to 109.

If you're factoring sports into the equation, heck, I might argue that's a more impressive feat as well.

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.






This post was edited on 4/2 6:56 PM by BuggsyRU

Almost as if winning in sports has nothing to do with academics. Weird.

 

[JoeRU0304]

I hear you Spanky.

cuse- the 50 year-old obnoxious guy who wears his varsity jacket to the Applebee's bar and tries to hit on the waitresses all night

uconn- the friendzoned guy who creates an elaborate scheme involving fireworks and a band to ask a girl out, but she says, "aww, that's so sweet", looks away after 2 seconds and calls up the guy she really likes


Joe P.

 

[Exit117]

All I can say is,how is high paying job placement doing at UCONN? Both my sons, Rutgers grads, have high paying jobs in the field they went to Rutgers to get a degree in. Rutgers did right by me, for my family, no doubt about it!

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by Exit117:
All I can say is,how is high paying job placement doing at UCONN? Both my sons, Rutgers grads, have high paying jobs in the field they went to Rutgers to get a degree in. Rutgers did right by me, for my family, no doubt about it!

I'm guessing its juts fine actually. Unless you are in a very specific field where RU or UConn has a marked advantage, your best bet is to save yourself $15,000+ a year and go to the school in your state (or region in UConn's case, since they give a tuition discount to anyone from New England.)

The same goes for people in PA, MD, DE, and NY. All of their top state schools are good enough that the general student is throwing money away going to the top state schools in one of the other states.

 

[Bagarocks]

Originally posted by derleider:

Originally posted by Exit117:
All I can say is,how is high paying job placement doing at UCONN? Both my sons, Rutgers grads, have high paying jobs in the field they went to Rutgers to get a degree in. Rutgers did right by me, for my family, no doubt about it!

I'm guessing its juts fine actually. Unless you are in a very specific field where RU or UConn has a marked advantage, your best bet is to save yourself $15,000+ a year and go to the school in your state (or region in UConn's case, since they give a tuition discount to anyone from New England.)

The same goes for people in PA, MD, DE, and NY. All of their top state schools are good enough that the general student is throwing money away going to the top state schools in one of the other states.

Good ol derleider you never let us down...

 

[rutcor]

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

And as I mentioned, this is nothing new for UConn. That wasn't even in the first time in the last decade they've had the men and women win the title in the same year, and they've each won other titles in between. That's status quo for them. Joining an actual conference is not status quo for Rutgers.

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.

It's a good thing nobody on our boards posts delusional posts which can easily be proven false.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Originally posted by Bagarocks:

Good ol derleider you never let us down...

Nope, he's a true husky fellator!

 

[bac2therac]

who cares what they think....both schools got nice bumps. Why is it such a big deal that they were spinning. UConn is in our rearview mirror and our jealous of our position. Let them talk and spin all they want but why bring that discussion here.

 

[StyleKnight]

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

They won the men's and women's basketball championships last year. How much do you think Rutgers' applications would rise if that happened?

 

[Scarlet Pride]

The UConn campus is not ugly. Industrial? I don't think anyone would use that word to describe the campus. It's a very nice campus in a rural setting. I suspect anyone without some misguided bias would recognize it as such. It is in a rural part of the state and some people like that. Others don't. The campus isn't particularly large but it is also concentrated in one location rather than spread out over two towns. It also doesn't have the same size student body as Rutgers so obviously it would be smaller.

Some people might say Rutgers is strewn all over the place with much of it in a trashy small city and the rest in a faceless suburbia. They might also have quite a bit to say about our architectural styles. I would say that characterization is wrong but there are plenty of warts to point out at RU too.

I find it interesting that the people that obsess most over UConn and their supposed misguided superiority complex are the ones that bash the school and try to prove Rutgers' superiority.


This post was edited on 4/3 1:41 PM by Scarlet Pride

 

[rutcor]

Originally posted by StyleKnight:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

They won the men's and women's basketball championships last year. How much do you think Rutgers' applications would rise if that happened?

JFC . . .

Does anyone know if UConn won the men's and women's basketball championship last year?

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by StyleKnight:

Originally posted by rutcor:
Well, if they got 9% in a garbage year in a garbage conference and we got 12% in a good year in a great conference . . . I don't see much to beat our chests about. Both seem like decent jumps.

They won the men's and women's basketball championships last year. How much do you think Rutgers' applications would rise if that happened?

JFC . . .

Does anyone know if UConn won the men's and women's basketball championship last year?

One key point here is that what research there is basically shows that even the small increases you get from great athletics performance fade as that performance becomes routine. So UConn, which has had top 10 BB and WBB for two decades now, probably got whatever bump they were going to get back in the 1990s or early 2000s. Basically everyone knows that UConn has good basketball. It keeps them in the news, but they were already in the news for it for most of the lifetime of kids applying last year, and particularly locally and regionally.

Similarly, I wouldn't expect RU to continue to see 12% increases if they are in fact due mostly to being in the Big Ten. It would be a one or two year thing, and after that, applications would have a new level (and might even decrease) and you would need actual athletic accomplishments to keep getting big increases (again if the increase isnt just due to people seeing that RU is much better now as a place to live and learn than even just a couple of years ago.)

 

[BuggsyRU]

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

And as I mentioned, this is nothing new for UConn. That wasn't even in the first time in the last decade they've had the men and women win the title in the same year, and they've each won other titles in between. That's status quo for them. Joining an actual conference is not status quo for Rutgers.

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.

It's a good thing nobody on our boards posts delusional posts which can easily be proven false.

Who cares if it's not new for them? they get an amazing amount of publicity every time they are on national television winning basketball games....and winning games in the Round of 16, then Final 8, then Final 4, then ultimately the Championship game....whether it's their first time or their 4th time,....gives them more visibility then what we received by just joining the league.

You just don't see it the way I do, which is fine. Not worth arguing over.

 

[rutcor]

Read derleider's post.

 

[pmvon]

A few things.

RU is in a great position as state universities take share from privates as many question the value proposition. Both uconn and RU win there.
RU also wins with the big ten and the school. Winning in the big will increase the appeal of ru, that really hasn't happened yet. If/when RU wins a big title, we should see a good bump.

It has been mentioned in a couple of posts, but RU did not do the common app.

If put into absolute number of applicants on a comparison basis RU relative increase was huge.

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

And as I mentioned, this is nothing new for UConn. That wasn't even in the first time in the last decade they've had the men and women win the title in the same year, and they've each won other titles in between. That's status quo for them. Joining an actual conference is not status quo for Rutgers.

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.

It's a good thing nobody on our boards posts delusional posts which can easily be proven false.

Who cares if it's not new for them? they get an amazing amount of publicity every time they are on national television winning basketball games....and winning games in the Round of 16, then Final 8, then Final 4, then ultimately the Championship game....whether it's their first time or their 4th time,....gives them more visibility then what we received by just joining the league.

You just don't see it the way I do, which is fine. Not worth arguing over.

Yes - and they get alot of that every year, and the people they are drawing in (i.e. people in Connecticut and New England) have been getting it for two decades. Its not like HS students wake up in December of their junior year having no information about colleges. If athletics colors their perception, then surely UConn's 2 decades of basketball dominance has largely already gotten UCon into their head. In fact its the main argument this board uses for supporting sports - that sustained winning will create a state that is favorable to RU from a very young age. If thats true - then you would expect a very large burst just because they were modestly more successful in a given year (I mean theyve won like 10 WBB and 3 MBB titles during the lifetime of kids graduating, along with plenty of other acccolades, plus a BCS bowl).

So basically, I think your parsing of 9% vs 12% is more or less meaningless. Statistical error level.

But I'll go back to my main point. Its UConn and this is a FB board.

 

[RedTeam01]

Seriously? An academic-oriented pissing contest with Uconn? How cute. They were my safety school.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Originally posted by derleider:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

Originally posted by rutcor:

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

As someone else mentioned, winning the NCAA championship in both men's and women's hoops put them on the biggest stage there is in college sports, so I would argue that their 9 percent jump is in fact, pretty pitiful....and far from being more impressive than our jump.

And as I mentioned, this is nothing new for UConn. That wasn't even in the first time in the last decade they've had the men and women win the title in the same year, and they've each won other titles in between. That's status quo for them. Joining an actual conference is not status quo for Rutgers.

Originally posted by BuggsyRU:

What you're missing, is that they think our 12 percent jump is weak, and they think the number of kids applying to their school is growing at a much faster clip than ours.

With a little fact-checking, they are in fact WRONG....and their growth in applications is 25 percent less than ours....and that's on the heels of a national championship in men's and women's hoops.

Not sure what there is not to understand about that.

It's a good thing nobody on our boards posts delusional posts which can easily be proven false.

Who cares if it's not new for them? they get an amazing amount of publicity every time they are on national television winning basketball games....and winning games in the Round of 16, then Final 8, then Final 4, then ultimately the Championship game....whether it's their first time or their 4th time,....gives them more visibility then what we received by just joining the league.

You just don't see it the way I do, which is fine. Not worth arguing over.

Yes - and they get alot of that every year, and the people they are drawing in (i.e. people in Connecticut and New England) have been getting it for two decades. Its not like HS students wake up in December of their junior year having no information about colleges. If athletics colors their perception, then surely UConn's 2 decades of basketball dominance has largely already gotten UCon into their head. In fact its the main argument this board uses for supporting sports - that sustained winning will create a state that is favorable to RU from a very young age. If thats true - then you would expect a very large burst just because they were modestly more successful in a given year (I mean theyve won like 10 WBB and 3 MBB titles during the lifetime of kids graduating, along with plenty of other acccolades, plus a BCS bowl).

So basically, I think your parsing of 9% vs 12% is more or less meaningless. Statistical error level.

But I'll go back to my main point. Its UConn and this is a FB board.

Your point is incorrect, because a major part of the huge increase in applications for UCONN comes from areas outside their region. They are no longer just getting students from Connecticut and other New England States. Their OOS student percentage has grown immensely. That is because they are seen on national TV winning national championships. In the years they win a championship games, their exposure is multiplied several fold.

If you think they don't get a bump in exposure from winning national championships in both men's and women's sports, every year they play in a Final 4....then you are wrong.

Even Barchi has said winning sports is a tremendous recruiter...just having the school's commercial as a selling point air to a national audience is worth millions of dollars in free ad spending.

In a year when that commercial is a selling point nationwide in all the games leading up to the Final 4, then in the Final 4, and again in the Championship game.....that's exposure to collectively 75 million people around the country through the duration of the tournament.

Sorry, you're wrong.

 

[Knightmoves]

My only question is why does Buggsy care so much about UCONN and still read their Board after getting banned there ?

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by pmvon:
A few things.

RU is in a great position as state universities take share from privates as many question the value proposition. Both uconn and RU win there.

Since most private college tuition is normally 3-4 times higher than most public univ...as the college age population (and college need) continues to soar (especially first person in family attending college), public applications continue to soar...and most likely will continue to soar in the coming decades.

Also, as the economy improves, private college apps will rise as well, but probably at much lower growth rates as publics.