USA Today article: Jim Harbaugh's creativity provokes another football rules reaction
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Location isn't the issue? Somehow I don't believe the SEC would be that upset if Michigan disrupted their pipeline of players coming from Montana.
How is the Mighty Michigan Harbaugh plan different from the camps that Schiano ran while at Rutgers & that were eventually banned?
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Schiano's camps were for high school targets. Harbaugh is taking his team players to train there.
And he's not trying to get attention from local HS recruits?
Skeletor strikes again!
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Exactly Mo. One has to be blind to not realize that area coaches and HS prospects would not either be invited or able to attend and observe practices which I am sure would be locally publicized and be quasi or selectively open to the public. This is a lot different than other sports such as baseball, softball, lacrosse and soccer which often travel south or west for preseason practices and exhibition or scrimmage type games. In these cases actual games take place. Football is a lot different.
GS's idea was not a bad one. Camps and clinic events can be very productive. Now there are various twists on this as we seen "camps" run by different entities and not schools. And where coaches are "guests" at these events. Another twist is something similar to what I believe Rutgers had a presence at...that being an event at Bethune Cookman in Florida where the head coach was a former Rutgers staff member and invited some Rutgers coaches to participate.
Harbaugh's proposal is a creative attempt to circumvent the rules for a competative recruiting advantage. Not too surprising. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to use weather as an excuse. And yet an appropriate response would be to do something similar to what Coach Bateman and the staff did at Rutgers years ago and seemed to be very practical. Bateman held spring practice for the allowable number of days after the spring semester ended in May and were similar to preseason practices. To me that made great sense and permitted the players to concentrate more on academics and weight training and minimized weather problems..
GS's idea was not a bad one. Camps and clinic events can be very productive. Now there are various twists on this as we seen "camps" run by different entities and not schools. And where coaches are "guests" at these events. Another twist is something similar to what I believe Rutgers had a presence at...that being an event at Bethune Cookman in Florida where the head coach was a former Rutgers staff member and invited some Rutgers coaches to participate.
Harbaugh's proposal is a creative attempt to circumvent the rules for a competative recruiting advantage. Not too surprising. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to use weather as an excuse. And yet an appropriate response would be to do something similar to what Coach Bateman and the staff did at Rutgers years ago and seemed to be very practical. Bateman held spring practice for the allowable number of days after the spring semester ended in May and were similar to preseason practices. To me that made great sense and permitted the players to concentrate more on academics and weight training and minimized weather problems..
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If I were the SEC, I'd try attacking it from an inappropriate benefits angle. Does Michigan give every student the opportunity for a free Spring Break trip to Florida. Seems to have alot more value than free sneakers or t-shirts. Can't pay to fly a kid home for grandma's funeral, but it's OK to fly them to a spring break training camp.
I would like to see a spending cap on how much a university can spend on athletics. I believe only 7 schools took no subsidy from the school, Michigan being one of those schools that took a subsidy of $250K is now looking to increase spending by taking the team to Florida.
Spending is getting out of control by these super teams, cap each school max spending and any revenue generated could go back to the school to help reduce deficits.
Spending is getting out of control by these super teams, cap each school max spending and any revenue generated could go back to the school to help reduce deficits.
I see nothing wrong with creative coaches finding ways around existing rules to gain an advantage. I liken this to a comment by an attorney friend some years ago about doing the same thing with existing laws and finding end arounds for their clients. His comment to doing this was simply, "then change the law".
same reason why its not allowed and shouldnt be now..Clown show Harbaugh will use it as a recruiting tool. just reason they said Schiano couldnt do it...
Not sure if this is the angle to take. Other sports take winter/spring break training trips.
Out of the things Harbaugh was cited for in the article:
1.) Wanting to hold camps away from Michigan
2.) Guest starring at camps away from Michigan
3.) Holding spring training away from Michigan
Rutgers has done the first two already. So I don't have a problem with it.
1.) Wanting to hold camps away from Michigan
2.) Guest starring at camps away from Michigan
3.) Holding spring training away from Michigan
Rutgers has done the first two already. So I don't have a problem with it.
The SEC wants the NCAA oversight committee to stop Michigan from having camps in SEC territory due to excessive time demands on football players. What a joke!
You have North Carolina football players taking fake classes and getting fake degrees. Tennessee creates a culture for sexual assaults for student athletics. No wonder the animals want to go to Tennessee. Louisville basketball coach Rick Pitino paying for hookers and escorts for players and recruits. Florida State police force protecting their FLorida State QB Jameis Winston from rape charges to win the National Championship. SEC wants to stop Michigan from holding camps.
Big Ten should be able to hold camps anywhere and at any time.
You have North Carolina football players taking fake classes and getting fake degrees. Tennessee creates a culture for sexual assaults for student athletics. No wonder the animals want to go to Tennessee. Louisville basketball coach Rick Pitino paying for hookers and escorts for players and recruits. Florida State police force protecting their FLorida State QB Jameis Winston from rape charges to win the National Championship. SEC wants to stop Michigan from holding camps.
Big Ten should be able to hold camps anywhere and at any time.
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My Big issue is he is doing his practice at a HS....Granted one that is created solely for sports but This is absolutely an unfair advantage....How do you propose that the players and held from any contact with the HSers? I think it is over-reaching and definitely well outside the spirit of fairplay. Satelite Camps is one thing but to basically have a Cream of the crop HS team as a captive audience at one of your practices.....No can do
This right here...if this were at any other school in America I don't think it's as big of a deal but IMG is turning into an a sort of national "AAU" of sorts for the best players around the country... kids will see Michigan players and coaches around campus all week and it is instant week long recruiting even if they can't have formal contact, every player on the IMG football team will be playing FBS football in college. wouodnt be surprised to see the NCAA send a Rep or two down to the school to
Monitor interactions for recruiting violations.
Am I the only thinking how nice it must be to have an unlimited football team budget? Taking the whole team to Florida to practice?
The local media would have a field day if Rutgers "wasted" tax payer dollars this way.
The local media would have a field day if Rutgers "wasted" tax payer dollars this way.
That's a typical response from a lawyer. As my brother, who worked in the field for years, said lawyers don't care about the lawyer. They care about finding ways around the law. But there is such a thing as the "spirit" of the law versus the "letter" of the law. It would almost be impossible to write a law that people couldn't find a way around.
