This guy knows FB in and out, defense and offense. He has seen it all. We needed an adult on staff. He will do much more with these players than anyone else. Home run hire. So many negative people on this board. I'm jumping up and down personally.
Very Disappointed in Response to Kill Hire
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This board would have a problem and would nit pick if Rutgers hired Bill bellichek, Nick Saban, Les Myles, Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson, Jon Gruden, etc.
Excellent hire! We are in the Big Ten and I want Big Ten minds with knowledge to Coach us. Kill is just one piece of the puzzle, but a very important piece.
Never won without Brady, no Jersey ties, fired, failed with Jets so no thanks, been out of the game too long, hasn't recruited.
Well on social media and the press the response is 99% positive.
Most people are either very please with the hire, I mean this is the one of the biggest names to ever be OC here at Rutgers.
Others are willing to give him a shot since they just don't know enough to say one way or another. Which makes sense.
The people who don't like it were just waiting for any name to be announced so they could try to discredit it.
Most people are either very please with the hire, I mean this is the one of the biggest names to ever be OC here at Rutgers.
Others are willing to give him a shot since they just don't know enough to say one way or another. Which makes sense.
The people who don't like it were just waiting for any name to be announced so they could try to discredit it.
Not sure this thread is fair. Few people bringing up health concerns (which are somewhat valid), but seems to me that the vast majority of fans are pretty positive on the move.
Well, since he ran the option for the past 20 years, it would be very strange for him to suddenly stop now.
This is a very good hire. Too many posters acting like a doctor. Enjoy the improvement about to hit us.
I'm in category two. It's not mandatory to jump up and down with everything goes up the flag pole.
If you like the hire, that's great. If you're indifferent that's fine too and if you don't like it that's fine as well. As long as you can say here's what I think and here's why that's all the matters. This is a place meant to express different opinions and debate about topics.
Just look at the Mehringer thread when he got hired. Same thing for the most part and now he's vilified here. For that matter take a look at Kyle Flood and him being the savior of the recruiting class when he was hired and now look at how he's demonized.
With anything new there's always going to be excitement and that's perfectly normal. Right now there's a majority stamp of approval and good feeling. That's great but we know that can easily turn and we've seen it.
This board filled with hundreds/thousands of different posters. It's not necessary that everyone react the same. As long as you give the whys to your opinion that's all that's needed IMO. Debate those points rather than trying to get everyone to feel the same.
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Health is a legit concern, but it has been address. He is on a new food plan, he lost weight and hasn't had any episodes since he left MInn. It could be but it shouldn't be an issue.
However, those saying that he is too old, or doesn't know how to run an offense, or doesn't fit in, can't recruit, are just well unfounded period. There are no facts to back those up.
However, those saying that he is too old, or doesn't know how to run an offense, or doesn't fit in, can't recruit, are just well unfounded period. There are no facts to back those up.
Your statement above is not true for all people who aren't 100% enthused, at this time, about the hire.
Ignorant? You just can't help making these overly aggressive and insulting statements about people who have a different opinion.
My opinion and reservations about Kill are hardly ignorant. They are based on me reading everything I could find about the guy. You have yet to actually make an argument in his favor - you just keep insulting people who are less than 100% convinced it was a great hire for OC. That seems pretty ignorant to me.
Every situation is different and you take things on a case by case basis. Those guys have long distinguished track records that are unmatched. You give tons of benefit of doubt to those kind of resumes.
I've mentioned this in another thread. Look at Dennis Erickson at Utah hired by another Urban DC Kyle Whittingham a few years ago. Erickson a national championship coach and NFL coach was made co-OC at Utah. That's about as good as it can get right? Well he was demoted a year later and moved out of the position. He too had been an OC way way earlier in his career like Kill. I was reading about Beau Baldwin at EWU because I was interested in him and he's been killing it offensively there as HC/playcaller. One of the influences he cited? Dennis Erickson. Now given all that you'd think Erickson would be a slam dunk as OC right? Only he wasn't.
You mentioned Saban well he hasn't been a coordinator or playcaller for a long time but I know that the defense is his baby and I've read articles in the past about his influence on it, not to mention just announcers during games mentioning it. So it's not always the same like I said case by case basis. Was Kill so heavily involved in the Minnesota offense? And has Minnesota's offense been strong like Alabama's defense? I'm open to seeing that if that was the case.
So I'm not going to tell you Kill is going to suck. I can't. But I can't tell you he's going to be awesome either. Not with what I have to go on. If you can provide info I'm all ears and it's not track record as HC, it's as OC/play caller that I'm looking for or at least some strong influence. Just like not all coordinators can be good HCs, you can't just assume a good HC who hasn't been a playcaller for a long time either as coordinator or HC will be good at present.
You know it's ironic even though I was doubtful about Flood and apprehensive about Mehringer when it came time to sharpen arrows and shoot them I'm not all gung ho about it, if at all. Flood I just let things take their course and Mehringer I was still open to because it was just a year, a very bad year but still only a year.
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I think it is a great hire with my only concern being longevity. I want to see an OC come in and be here for 3-5 years. The kids now need to learn a whole ton of new everything ...again.
Where are all these negative people and responses? Everything I've seen has been favorable.
Niemann compiled a 32-29 record in his six seasons as head coach at Simpson (2002-07) - yes, that is NCAA Division III
You may chose to say that being an HC in NCAA Division III does not count - but there would be a fair number of big time D1 coaches who would disagree with you - - - different - yes - scale & scope are worlds apart - but on the other hand there are certain fundamentals that hold true no matter where you are.
My main concern is he'll be here one year and be done, like Fridge. We need legit continuity. Not one and done crap
I like the hire because I can spell his name. I was struggling with spelling our other OC's name. Also he knows a thing or two about football.
I am too. I posted this on the premium board in response to a similar comment by John O.
"Agreed. I don't get the flack that some posters are giving this hire.
Minnesota is not an easy place to build a program at. Some good players in the state, but not enough to build depth over time to compete in the BIG. Wisconsin and Iowa see immense loyalty from their players and as you go east you are running into OSU, PSU, MSU, and Michigan in the big rust belt states and in NJ, NYS, Maryland, etc. Tough nut to crack for any coach.
You think our November night games are cold? Try playing at 3pm on an overcast mid November day there. And FL and CA recruits? It's 8 degrees out right now in Minneapolis. It was -6 yesterday and has gotten as low as -17 last week. And that's before the wind chill.
Think RU isn't an improvement for Kill and an opportunity to make his mark? This is a win/win hire.
And while he had access to the Mayo Clinic while in Minnesota, Kill is now within an hour of the best hospitals in the WORLD in either direction. And that's not counting the RU RWJ/Barnabas alliances that are taking shape.
Yeah how about the year Teel threw for 3K, Rice rushed for 2K and Britt and Underwood had 1K receiving yards but McNulty sucked in the Red Zone. LOL.
I heard New Jersey was complaining about the wording of the Declaration of Independence and hated George Washington and his decisions against the Brits.
I heard New Jersey was complaining about the wording of the Declaration of Independence and hated George Washington and his decisions against the Brits.
Yep, that's the vibe I'm seeing so far, here and elsewhere. And from what I've read, his health is now less of a concern than it was at Minnesota. I've also heard that there was a ton of pressure put on him there to be a fundraiser, which he will not experience here.
He's the wonder kid! The savior! He's gonna revolutionize our offense and we'll be scoring 60 points a game. In the first quarter!
Yep, that is my only concern, that he stays one year then moves on. We really, really need to get consistency at the OC level, as he is the 8th OC in the last 8 years. KC and his sunshine band was the last OC here longer than a year.
Bingo!
The guy was working 80 hours a week at k state, attended every practice, and was on the sideline for every game.
OP, with all those post under your belt, it's more surprising that it's a question at all. As many have posted here, the typical poster, is a "wannabee" player, coach, athletic director and school president. But, most couldn't make a lay up, throw a spiral, or catch a pop up, if their lives depended on it. So, don't be too surprised.
I used to take it personal with all the idiotic comments, now I just consider the source.
I used to take it personal with all the idiotic comments, now I just consider the source.
You're right we're all "wannabee" whatevers, I've even explicitly said I like putting on my pretend AD cap because it's fun. It's a freaking football message board, that's exactly what it's suppose to be where everyone can come in a put in their 2 cents. As long as they have their reasoning for their 2 cents I see no problem.
this is a great hire for a staff of assistants all becoming head managers for first time,and last year they showed at times that they were rookies.Kill now becomes the most experienced and knowledgable Coach on the staff and this will be a big help to Ash.The best move was to get rid of Merhingher,it wasnt working here and his age worked against him somewhat regarding his relationship to players.
Hopefully Coach Kill stays healthy and no doubt this is a great hire!
Hopefully Coach Kill stays healthy and no doubt this is a great hire!
Never said, it was a "problem," And, yes this is social media at it's best. I laugh often and loudly, at most responses. Just remember not to take those "2 cents" literally. lol
Those questioning Kill are typical. Though loud, very much a minority.
He is the most high profile assistant we've ever hired. And might be the best. We will see.
Congrats to Ash and Hobbs.
He is the most high profile assistant we've ever hired. And might be the best. We will see.
Congrats to Ash and Hobbs.
