What is A Foul in College Ball?

[RutgersMO]

Back in the day IIRC if you hit the shooter's hand, wrist, arm or hacked his body it was a foul. Period!

Now, they show the same play and the talking heads talk about how it wasn't a foul. EG. Mathis (?) was fouled when shooting, but not called. He was hacked on the upper thigh area but it didn't affect the shot ??? and so there was no mention of it: NONE!

What are the refs trying to do when they say " let them play"? Turn the game into hockey?

I think this is wrong...especially since frequently it seems that Myles gets called for ticky-tack fouls, or moving screens. This has been not been the case in the last two games ...and I hope it continues but the whole refs / fouls seems like shaking a magic 8 ball and getting Quixotic answers.

Who knows what the refs will call....not even the Shadow knows.:Skull: :Dead:

MO

 

[fbc1866]

By rule the hand is a part of the ball, contact from the elbow to the wrist is consider a foul. An airborne shooter has the right to return to the floor, so contact of a shooter below the elbow before they return to the floor is a foul. The defense has to obtain a legal guarding position and than is allow to move lateral and or backward, but can not move forward to cause the contact. Hand check, allowed to make contact with the hand once, than any hand check is illegal contact (this is not called often or only when a ball handler attempt to drive to the basket).

 

[RutgersMO]

By rule the hand is a part of the ball, contact from the elbow to the wrist is consider a foul. An airborne shooter has the right to return to the floor, so contact of a shooter below the elbow before they return to the floor is a foul. The defense has to obtain a legal guarding position and than is allow to move lateral and or backward, but can not move forward to cause the contact. Hand check, allowed to make contact with the hand once, than any hand check is illegal contact (this is not called often or only when a ball handler attempt to drive to the basket).

"not called often"

NCO: yup, that's what I'm saying. Fouls are mysterious, mystical, mythical beasts that can take many forms...or none at all!.

MO

 

[colbert17]

Basketball has changed dramatically.
Fouls will be called on the outside for hand checking and a bump while under the basket there can be mayhem and manslaughter and they'll let them play.
The other thing is when the announcers will say that you can't let an official's call decide the game. What an idiotic statement. So if someone breaks a rule don't call it because its the last 30 seconds of a game?
Ridiculous.

 

[wheezer]

The other thing is when the announcers will say that you can't let an official's call decide the game. What an idiotic statement. So if someone breaks a rule don't call it because its the last 30 seconds of a game?
Ridiculous.

IMO an official should call a game as though he has no idea how much time is on the clock.

If someone commits a foul with one second remaining it should not make a difference

Blame the player for doing a dumb thing, not the official

 

[HPNJRUfan]

"not called often"

NCO: yup, that's what I'm saying. Fouls are mysterious, mystical, mythical beasts that can take many forms...or none at all!.

MO

I love all sports and everything RU. I understand the basics and rules of basketball, but the mysterious nature of what is and is not sometimes a foul, along with the speed in which that happens is what always made the game hard for me to follow sometimes. Analysis like that is much easier watching football.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

A basketball referee has an extremely difficult job. Mistakes are inevitable. Fans, players, and coaches simply want consistency. What is/isn't a foul should be established in the first 5 minutes of the game, and should be the enforced as such until the final buzzer.

 

[RutgersMO]

I love all sports and everything RU. I understand the basics and rules of basketball, but the mysterious nature of what is and is not sometimes a foul, along with the speed in which that happens is what always made the game hard for me to follow sometimes. Analysis like that is much easier watching football.

Since the advent of challenges, replays … and MLB will soon have robots helping umpires call balls / strikes (? correcting the calls), why not have all players wear electronic gear in college / pro games? Then if the buzzer goes off ...he or she was hit in the act of shooting, there isn't the cop our that the ref's angle was bad or he or she just couldn't see it.

MO

 

[richthedentist]

Who knows I rewatched the second half of the Iowa game and some of the calls against us OMG and many glaring non calls against Iowa where Ron Harper goes in for breakaway and the defender physically grabs him and no foul! Who knows anymore

 

[Good-Knight]

Not the rule book but my understanding:

Traveling. Most people can't define it. You cannot leave your oivot foor before you start dribbling. YOu can move your first foot, but if you pick up the second foot you must have released the ball to effect a dibble. At the end of your dribble, if your pivot foot touches the floor twice, it is traveling. The exception is a jumpstop - when the pivot foot touches twice but on the second time it is at the same time as the off foot resulting in a jump shot or pass. Some fans would think Baker's step back three is a travel because the college game is not suppose to allow the James Harding step back, but Baker steps back to land on both feet for a jumpshot -no travel in my opinion.

When a shot that is blocked and teh shooter is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a jump ball. If the shooter releases the ball, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues.

Face Guarding - when a defender blocks or disrupts the vision of the offensive player, whether that player has the basketball or not. This is almost never called but I think it should be called on some run outs that are aimed at placking the shooter's vision.

Blocking - when an offensive player initiates forcible contact but it is done because the defender gets in his path without establing position.

Illegal Screen -when an defensive player initiates forcible contact but it is done because an unseen offensive player sets a screen in his path without establing position. If the offensive player throws a hip or a shoulder that is not an illegal screen -that's a contact foul.

Every other personal foul (there is no over-the-back foul, tripping, reaching, or hand check, they are all contact fouls) when a player initiates forcible contact or restraint (holding) on the opposing team, with the exception of an offensive player contacting a defender under the hoop and the exception the other way when contact is hand to hand contact with the offensive player having that hand on the ball. Your 8th grade coach may have told you to put your butt into your oppenent and back him out of the lane, but that is a contact foul.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Okay ....

Here is the deal

The basis of a foul is simple

Contact that does either or both of the following

-the person making the contact gets an advantage over the person receiving the contact

And/or

-the person receiving the contact gets a disadvantage over the person creating the contact

This is the baseline, regardless of the type of call, to judge whether or not a foul should be called.

And The key is if similar judgement is used from minute one through minutes forty on the amount of severity of contact ...then it’s fine

It’s when what criteria changes during a game on what will get a foul call that screws up games

 

[colbert17]

IMO an official should call a game as though he has no idea how much time is on the clock.

If someone commits a foul with one second remaining it should not make a difference

Blame the player for doing a dumb thing, not the official

Of course the most egregious example of the "let them play" idea.
Don't know who was doing the color on this game but he hit the nail on the head about 5 times.

 

[wheezer]

no Doubt in my mind that at least one ref. Probably more, Wanted St. John’s to win

 

[RUnTeX]

Don't know who was doing the color on this game but he hit the nail on the head about 5 times.

I think Fran Fraschilla was the color guy.

 

[RUChoppin]

Of course the most egregious example of the "let them play" idea.
Don't know who was doing the color on this game but he hit the nail on the head about 5 times.

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Don't worry, it all evens out.

 

[RUChoppin]

I honestly have no earthly idea what a foul is half the time anymore.

In a well refereed game, you can get a good sense of what a foul is in the first 5-10 minutes of game play - because they've set a tone for the game on what sort of contact is/isn't allowed. It may be a different definition in its particulars than the prior game or the next game, but as long as it's consistent from tip to final whistle, the players will get a sense of what will or won't be called.

In a poorly refereed game, there is sometimes little rhyme or reason. What was a foul one minute, isn't a foul the next... and contact that's allowed on one play is whistled the next. In that sort of game, it's a complete crapshoot, and players struggle to adjust - sometimes by random chance one player will end up with a ton of fouls, and another will end up with very few, which may not align with the level of contact both initiated while on the floor.

Just like players and coaches, officials can be good, bad, streaky, in a slump, etc... sometimes they have all-star performances and are perfectly consistent throughout a contest, and sometimes they have bad outings where they're all over the map.