What's the situation with Doucoure???
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Back injury, and he played in just below the threshold of games to redshirt - so I don't think we'll see him back this year, and he'll likely petition for an injury redshirt.
I think he'll be back next year, hopefully further developed, as a redshirt Soph taking the minutes Doorson is getting now.
That'd be my expectation. We're short on bigs next year with just 4, including Doucoure. He's almost guaranteed 15+ min per game.
If Pike signs a 5th year center and a hotshot freshman big with the last two scholarships, though, that might change the math.
Yeah, I think that's right, although we may play Harper at the 4 a decent amount next year behind Eugene due to the glut of guards/wings.
I don't want us to be playing him next year because we simply need a body. From what I've seen, Duke needs to step it up big time before we can call him a contributor. Major disappointment in the games he played this season, especially considering he had a year in the program to figure it out. Shaq C and Miles quickly leapfrogged him in the rotation. Not a good sign. If we are able to bring in another talented big, whether it be a transfer, or freshman, I think it's a no brainer.
We are getting to the point as a program where if you don't have significant improvement, you will be recruited over.
Look at the freshman class.
Harper took Thiam's minutes.
Johnson took Doorsons minutes.
McConnell may start grabbing some of Baker's minutes.
You must have a good jump to keep a position.
The kid reclassified to come a year early, and we all know the mantra that big men take time to develop. No one is denying the kid needs massive improvements to his game, but it's not crazy to think that next year, with two years in the program, he will have matured and improved significantly.
Obviously, we need to see it in reality, but Pike seems to have a plan here, otherwise I dont think he would have bothered redshirting him with his "back injury."
Obviously, we need to see it in reality, but Pike seems to have a plan here, otherwise I dont think he would have bothered redshirting him with his "back injury."
Johnson took Doorson's minutes? Doorson's averaging the most minutes this year that he has in his career.
Johnson's minutes filled most of the minutes gap left by Doucoure/Sa, and Doorson got the rest.
No way is he a better rebounder that Shaq D.
Can we please stop with the "he's got a good outside shot" nonsense. He doesn't. Why do you think Pike glued his ass to the bench before he got hurt? Because he was taking those 10 footers and hitting nothing but air or backboard. Pike doesn't want him shooting those shots. I wonder why?
He showed a nice touch last year on those 12 footers he obviously lost confidence but like some of the posters said the redshirt year will hopefully help him and he can reach his potential next year which would help immensely
Nice touch? What was his shooting % on those outside shots? I think the coaching staff might disagree with your assessment since they immediately yanked him from 2 games this year after putting his "nice touch" on display. But hey, what do the coaches know.
He is averaging 18.0 minutes. Who is taking the other 22 minutes he could play? I am joking a little, but there is a reason he is not getting 25.0+ minutes.
Most minutes in his career does not mean a ton seeing how unfortunate from an injury perspective Doorson's career has been. He is of huge value to this team.
Sure, but I don't think anyone was really expecting Doorson to be playing 40 min, lol... or even 30 min.
Doorson gave us 12-13 min/g last year with 5 starts, and he's jumped to 17-18 min/g this year with 22 starts. Johnson definitely took Doucoure's minutes right out of the gate, though.
For sure. My point is, players are being recruited over now at this point in the program.
Five years ago, it was not certain better players would come in.
The signs of the program's freshman class point to better recruits.
Come on Man....he took 8 total shots in the games he played this year. You are reaching a conclusion based on 8 shots?
People are writing him off way to early
It's not just the 8 shots. If you can't see his severe basketball deficiencies, I don't know what to tell you.
We were discussing his shooting the mid-range shot. Bottom line, anyone who saw him last year saw a nice mid-range shot around the foul line area. Good form, nice release.
Does he need to work on post moves....Yes
Does he need to cut down on fouls...Yes
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Agree here as early last season he had that 10-12 foot shot. Then lost confidence.
This is a strong kid that can show something in the paint both defensively and offensively- whether he does is up to him.
Doucoure has a lot to work on, and is hopefully putting in the time with Jay Young to get better in the post. We've seen a lot of growth from our bigs since Pike's been here - Omoruyi has gotten better every year, Johnson looks to have made the most of a redshirt season, Doorson's performing the best/healthiest he has in his career, Gettys stepped up and had a big 5th year after not really making much noise at a lower level.
Work on his S&C, work on his post moves, work on his defense - we'll see what he brings to the table next year. Not ready to write the guy off - I'll give him the chance to get back in the lineup after a year of work and show what he's got.
Work on his S&C, work on his post moves, work on his defense - we'll see what he brings to the table next year. Not ready to write the guy off - I'll give him the chance to get back in the lineup after a year of work and show what he's got.
Bigs in basketball often don’t contribute until they’re upperclassmen. I agree, Duke didn’t show too much to get excited about but niether did Doorson. If you told me Doorson would be contributing the way he is 4 years ago I would’ve said no shot.
He's always cheering on the team and appears to have the right attitude to improve. So there's that.
There wasn't any word of it last year or in the offseason. He played limited minutes behind Doorson/Johnson to start this year, and then was a DNP with the back injury. May have been something that he was playing through to start the year, or may even be a bit of an exaggeration to get him a redshirt year in a season he'd have seen less use. I haven't heard anything definite - but more may be on the pay side.
I've seen his mid-range shot and I disagree 100% with your perception. I've also been around the game for a long time. My eye for talent and potential has rarely been wrong.
Were you one of the geniuses who thought Pike was saving Duke for conference play as his secret weapon? How'd that work out?
Or how about this one? On a team that desperately needs offense, why is the guy with "nice mid-range shot around the foul line area. Good form, nice release" riding the pine?
Get a clue fellas.
Dude, I usually enjoy your posts but that's because you don't always live up to your weird handle. If you know so much about the game there's no need to take people down like that. Tell them what you see. And being someone with experience, which comes through in a post I think you made earlier today about Myles, you do have to acknowledge that the "big men take time" trope is true. So if Doucoure exhibits some tendencies that imply he cant develop over a 5 year college career, let us know.
Anyway, I'm a hypocrite because I'm horribly nasty on the boards to people I dont agree with. Out!
Sorry. I try not to shit on others, but I'm guilty of losing patience with the Doucoure situation. It's a combination of the guys who refuse to let go of the 4 star rating, guys who think he's a shooter, and the guys who thought Pike was keeping him on the bench as a secret weapon until B1G play began.
I don't see it with Duke. He doesn't have the mind of a basketball player. When you watch a guy play, there's an "it" factor that surfaces if he's got game. It's the way a player moves, anticipates, reacts, and improvises. I could see it with a guy like Kadeem Jack when he was a freshman, even though Jack's freshman year was pretty ugly. Eugene had an ugly freshman year, but he steadily improved as the season progressed. You could see both of these guys were getting it.
Everything Duke does is a beat off the pace. The anticipation and improvisation just aren't there. He plays like he's still learning the fundamentals of the game. That can't be the case for a college basketball player playing in the toughest conference in the nation. The "it" factor still isn't there, and he's not even close.
Okay Mr. "I have an eye for talent and potential and rarely wrong".....lol, :rolleyes:
Yep, that's exactly what everyone said on this board.....Pikiell was saving Duke. There were threads everyday about it, "We gotta save Duke for the Big 10"......because that's what all the good coaches do; save players for conference games to unveil their secret weapon.
It's okay to have an opinion but let's not make up lies.
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My eye for morons has rarely been wrong. I hope you’re not offended but I believe you lack that it factor it takes to not be a moron.
Ok. We'll see how it plays out.
Classy. Have I insulted you in the past? Didn't think so. You must be one of the "Doucoure secret weapon" crew.
You should rent yourself out to college coaches.
Don't sign a guy until your "Eye for Talent and Potential" gives the okay.
I’m not writing him off for the future but people need to stop matter of factory talking about his “midrange touch.” He shot 36% from the floor last year and 60% from the line. That doesn’t match some people’s eye test of him hitting open jumpers in shootaround.
We really don’t want him shooting unless it’s late in the shot clock. In his 15 mpg that he may earn, he will need to play good defense (without fouling!) and crash the boards. If he can do that, it will be a big leap for him.
We really don’t want him shooting unless it’s late in the shot clock. In his 15 mpg that he may earn, he will need to play good defense (without fouling!) and crash the boards. If he can do that, it will be a big leap for him.
Just busting your chops because your posts took on an air of pomposity. If you sarcastically call someone else a genius is that a compliment? I’m sure you’re not a moron. Sorry if I offended you.
