When Does Rettig Get An EQUAL Chance With Carroo??
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He has a right to be pissed. He played far well enough to come out the second half.
Playing with Carroo is massive help, clearly.
Playing with Carroo is massive help, clearly.
Anyone in his shoes would be furious. Guy played lights out except for 1 bad throw where he got lucky it wasnt picked off. Than they reward him by going into the fetal position with a chance to get valuable reps during a 2 minute drill & not giving him a series to open the 2nd half with the best player on the team/best WR in the big 10. he has every right to be upset
If Rettig is not the starter next week, then Flood will have only himself to blame if this team does not reach its potential.
But what makes you think Rettig is better than Laviano? "Fair" and "not fair" aside, there's no evidence that either one is better than the other.
Carroo was obviously his amazing self today, (perhaps even super amazing wouldn't be an overstatement), and clearly Rettig didn't have an opportunity to see what he could do with Leonte in there. -Have no idea who'll start next week, but I would be interested in seeing HR's production with #4 out there on the field with him.
All things considered, though, having two apparently very capable QB's on the team, (since the back-up is only an injury away from becoming the starter), isn't a bad problem to have.
All things considered, though, having two apparently very capable QB's on the team, (since the back-up is only an injury away from becoming the starter), isn't a bad problem to have.
It's all judgment, but Rettig didn't have the best receiver in the conference on the field with him, but did a good job spreading the ball around to the open man. He hit Patton a couple times, found both TEs, PJ, Bergen, Grant. Laviano threw 5 passes. 3 were to Carroo and 2 were dumpoffs to Rob Martin.
The proof will be in the pudding whether he can go through his progressions and hit the 2nd and 3rd options because Carroo is going to be double and triple covered against WSU and everyone else.
Who the f cares? When are we going to stop getting married to qb's and trust that the staff knows way more about their football ability.
If you were the coach, wouldn't you be interested to see how Rettig would do with Carroo in a game situation? I don't understand why Flood didn't bring Rettig out for the first series or two of the second half and give him a shot with Caroo.
Hate to say it, but I think the posters who believe there may be a 'Nova favoritism going on again could be right...
Exactly. These threads are honestly embarrassing. Do people think the staff is just going to look at the stats and make a decision off of that?! Jesus. Mcdaniels, Flood, and Friedgen will evaluate everything in context and look at way more objective measures of QB quality.
No, I would not be interested. Carroo is going to be carroo whether its Hayden, Laviano, Jabu Lovelace, or the bon jovi kid out at QB. Laviano's first throw was actually really bad but he got bailed out by Carroo. I think you learn a lot more from a QB when you take away his first read and make him go through his progressions.
And I have faith the offensive coaching staff and consultants will immediately recognize these points (and many more that this forum probably has no idea about) and make the right call.
It sounds like "damn Laviano looked pretty good...ugh I want an actual reason to favor my guy rather than just recruiting stars! Damnit flood justify my dreams"
Ok, but say Laviano played the snaps Rettig played and Rettig played the snaps Laviano played. Wouldn't you like to think Rettig would target Carroo as well? And you don't know that Laviano would or wouldn't have spread it around playing with a Carroo-less squad. Hence why I don't think there's evidence that one is really better than the other. You think Flood is happy he hasn't been able to make a decision yet? He WANTS to make a decision; I doubt he's happy that it's too close to call, but he's not just gonna pick one for the sake of it.
This. They both looked good. People need to stop pushing for one kid despite the results not showing someone as so mucb better.
One thing that was very obvious - and I really don't think it had anything to with Carroo - was that the coaching staff seemed much more comfortable calling pass plays with Laviano in there than they did with Rettig.
Rettig played well. But so did Laviano. (Although Rettig did throw 1 pass right into the chest of a defender who dropped it.)
I couldn't care less who starts. Unlike many fans, I'll trust the coaches who see these guys practice every day to make the right choice . But I think it was very clear they feel more comfortable throwing the ball with Laviano back there.
Rettig played well. But so did Laviano. (Although Rettig did throw 1 pass right into the chest of a defender who dropped it.)
I couldn't care less who starts. Unlike many fans, I'll trust the coaches who see these guys practice every day to make the right choice . But I think it was very clear they feel more comfortable throwing the ball with Laviano back there.
Its easier to call pass plays when Carroo is on the field. Who else did Laviano complete a pass to?
Don't think the board should be so worried about posters being "married"to QBs as much as we should worry about flood being married to a QB-again.
If my livelihood depended on it, I'd want to make the decision that would give us the best chance for success. Playing favorites just for the hell of it would be, at best, stupid and, at worst, insane.
That brings me to another point. I've never really seen anyone explain why Flood, or any other coach for that matter, would intentionally play favorites if all other evidence showed that another course of action would give him the best chance to win. It's just not rational. I mean, we may not always agree with the final decision, but rarely if ever are any of us privy to all the information that the coaching staff has at its disposal. Just sayin'...
That throw to Grant by Rettig was spot on elite. He had a really good game without Caroo and with an O line and coaching staff that was still feeling itself out. Rutgers wants to assert the run first. Once you do that, opening up to the pass is easy.
Stop with all of the controversy people, both QBs played well.
Much better to have 2 good QBs who will both play a lot this season.
Much better to have 2 good QBs who will both play a lot this season.
For a person Flood who didn't want a QB controversy has one by the way he handled this whole competition. Coming out saying he wants to have a QB in place 7-10 days then blowing through that timeline only to suspend a QB at the end of training camp. To then replacing Rettig first chance he can just doesn't give me the impression that Rettig was ever going to get a chance today.
Laviano only got 4 throws today. If Rettig gets the nod some will say Laviano didn't get enough throws and runs to show he has a short game. I'm not sure those 3 Caroo catches make Laviano the starter. Tough decision for Flood, but it's a nice problem to have.
Maybe Loviano won the QB competition in camp. They both looked good with the notable exception of Rettig's pass right to the defender with no one near him. I thought the team looked a little crisper with Loviano. Rettig holds the ball long and this could be a problem with better pass rushers. Hopefully they both get decent time this year. If one is playing poorly the other should be put in, just like everyone else.
The reason people see controversy here is because of the way Flood handled Nova.. sticking with him no matter what. That is why it is fair to be concerned this situation will be mismanaged. Of course, we could all wait for that to happen before complaining about it.
So far, Flood handled this well.. other than being fearful at the end of the first half. I'd also like to see the pace of playcalling ramp up. Football is an aggressive sport. We need everything about what we do to be aggressive. The players will respond well to that.. rather than being overly conservative.. like at the end of the half.
So far, Flood handled this well.. other than being fearful at the end of the first half. I'd also like to see the pace of playcalling ramp up. Football is an aggressive sport. We need everything about what we do to be aggressive. The players will respond well to that.. rather than being overly conservative.. like at the end of the half.
I want to trust that the staff knows what they are doing.
But then they don't let Rettig run a 2-minute drill at the end of the first half. It makes me think they don't know what they are doing. Flood talked about having tape to look at of the 2 players to be able to decide who will help the team the most next week. This was a great learning opportunity for Rettig and we take a knee. Why? This was our 1 tune up game. Make some interesting offensive calls and see what Rettig is capable of.
But then they don't let Rettig run a 2-minute drill at the end of the first half. It makes me think they don't know what they are doing. Flood talked about having tape to look at of the 2 players to be able to decide who will help the team the most next week. This was a great learning opportunity for Rettig and we take a knee. Why? This was our 1 tune up game. Make some interesting offensive calls and see what Rettig is capable of.
What a divisive post that is negative and inspires controversy.
Both QB's looked good and I root for the football team and just one player.
Both QB's looked good and I root for the football team and just one player.
I think most were surprised about Laviano starting the second half considering Rettig's performance in the first half. I think the both play again next week and we don't know until after the PSU game whether we truly have a BIG caliber starting QB.
No, the problem is that Flood said a decision would be made at the half. After the game, Carroo said that Laviano KNEW that he would be starting the seond half.
Start Rettig and give him a half with Carroo. Or let Laviano start against WSU and sit Carroo for the half and see how he does. If Marquez sits for a half, shouldn't a knucklehead captain get another half off? Oh right, Flood would never do that. Mr. Fairness and Integrity? Not recently.
Start Rettig and give him a half with Carroo. Or let Laviano start against WSU and sit Carroo for the half and see how he does. If Marquez sits for a half, shouldn't a knucklehead captain get another half off? Oh right, Flood would never do that. Mr. Fairness and Integrity? Not recently.
Wah! Wah! Wah!
You guys sound like someone calling the FAN...
"Next caller is Joey from Bayonne"
"Hey, Mikey - I tell you what. Flood is an idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing out there. I could make better decisions than that clown!"
You guys sound like someone calling the FAN...
"Next caller is Joey from Bayonne"
"Hey, Mikey - I tell you what. Flood is an idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing out there. I could make better decisions than that clown!"
Don't you think that McDaniels, Fridge & Flood all have a pretty good idea what would happen if Rettig was able to simply play catch with Carroo?
Seriously, does anybody really think that McDaniels, Fridge & Flood will ignore the freshness & vigor of the opponent in the first half & the more limited resources that Rettig had to work with - and simplistically evaluate it all by just saying 'duh ...gee...Laviano threw for more TDs' ???
Any coach with any degree of experience & acumen could see that Rettig did a whole lot - with less ... against the more challenging portion of Norfolk's game performance.
Seriously, does anybody really think that McDaniels, Fridge & Flood will ignore the freshness & vigor of the opponent in the first half & the more limited resources that Rettig had to work with - and simplistically evaluate it all by just saying 'duh ...gee...Laviano threw for more TDs' ???
Any coach with any degree of experience & acumen could see that Rettig did a whole lot - with less ... against the more challenging portion of Norfolk's game performance.
I know but they had him attempt passes on 3 of his 1st 5 plays. By the the time he threw his 4th pass, Rutgers was up by 36 pts so Rutgers started just running at that point.
And maybe it just seemed that way, but when the game started with Rettig at QB almost every play was a run.
Now maybe the game plan was to soften up Norfolk to start the game and had nothing to do with who was at QB. And once the lead widened (which is when Laviano came in) the coaches felt more comfortable with opening things up and taking some chances.
And I'm not suggesting Laviano should be the starter. After going 9 for 11 and looking awesome doing it, to be honest, Rettig should probably get the nod. But I just couldn't help but notice how the play calling immediately became more aggressive as soon as Laviano got in there. Watching the replay, even the announcers mentioned it.
Especially after the TD return, the coaches may have wanted to see Laviano throw before the game got out of hand. Plus, since Carroo kept taking it to the house, we don't know what the play calling would have looked like.
The last pass was a short safe call that Carroo turned into a big play.
This is true. Carroo is in the game. Got a little bit a of lead thanks to Grant's return. Yeah, okay. I'm convinced. On 2nd thought, maybe the play calling had nothing to do with who was at QB.
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