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Who do you want us to be?

I'm still not getting where we have no institutional commitment or community commitment to winning. How did we get a stadium expansion? Luxury boxes? A recruiting lounge? A coach flying around in a helicopter? You can argue that institutional commitment is variable and that community involvement is sketchy but you can't argue it doesn't exist and never will. In fact you can argue that it's just waiting for a real reason to explode. FFS our previous coach was given a helicopter to fly around in and he never even won a big east championships. People are dying to have a bandwagon to climb on.

Well, to be fair, he wasn't "given a helicopter". The helicopter was a rental. And while I am in no way knocking the concept, the reality is that in the grand scheme of helicopters, it's kind of on the low end.
 
What does institutional support even mean? You are throwing around these terms without attaching any meaning to them. He wasn't paid highly, so I am honestly flabbergasted as to what else the institution could have done in this context. Please enlighten me, what did the instituional support do to help him win that rutgers has shown it will not or cannot do?

Are you being serious?

RU's current administration is 100% ambivalent to sports success. The only visionary athletic director we've had in 30 years was run out of town at the working end of pitch forks and torches.

The current AD was publicly embarrassed when she moved on Flood in 2013 over less than $2MM.

The President is on the record saying, "he is not in favor of big time athletics" but B10 athletics is the hand he has been dealt and he will deal with it.

The President has issued a direct order of revenue neutrality for athletics, even as we see future B10 payments coming.

The faculty tears down athletics every opportunity it gets.

And you sit here saying, "all we need to do is hire the right coach."

WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THERE IS THE WILL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN?

Where are you getting the money from? Cause you're not getting it from the university. That means Julie has to RAISE IT. Which means she has to find $2-3M extra dollars a year...BEFORE THIS NEW WONDER BOY of yours demonstrates success.
 
I'm still not getting where we have no institutional commitment or community commitment to winning. How did we get a stadium expansion? Luxury boxes? A recruiting lounge? A coach flying around in a helicopter? You can argue that institutional commitment is variable and that community involvement is sketchy but you can't argue it doesn't exist and never will. In fact you can argue that it's just waiting for a real reason to explode. FFS our previous coach was given a helicopter to fly around in and he never even won a big east championships. People are dying to have a bandwagon to climb on.

We got them for the athletic director who was forced out and the coach who bailed for the worst job in the NFL.

What is left is a gun shy administration and a faculty who points to kids being arrested, academic email scandals and a SHITTY FOOTBALL team and says, "You're spending $50MM a year ON THAT?"
 
Are you being serious?

RU's current administration is 100% ambivalent to sports success. The only visionary athletic director we've had in 30 years was run out of town at the working end of pitch forks and torches.

The current AD was publicly embarrassed when she moved on Flood in 2013 over less than $2MM.

The President is on the record saying, "he is not in favor of big time athletics" but B10 athletics is the hand he has been dealt and he will deal with it.

The President has issued a direct order of revenue neutrality for athletics, even as we see future B10 payments coming.

The faculty tears down athletics every opportunity it gets.

And you sit here saying, "all we need to do is hire the right coach."

WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THERE IS THE WILL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN?

Where are you getting the money from? Cause you're not getting it from the university. That means Julie has to RAISE IT. Which means she has to find $2-3M extra dollars a year...BEFORE THIS NEW WONDER BOY of yours demonstrates success.
Ah now I get it.

Disregarding the fact briles salary was 1.8million when he was hired, I will bet you 100 dollars in rutgers donation that if we get a new coach at the end of this year, we will pay more then 2 million. I think you are highly exaggerating our situation and relying on an outlier data point (2013) where a bunch of one time payments clobbered our financials AND their wasnt nearly as big of a fervor to fire Flood as there would be at the end of this year if we don't bowl
 
Ah now I get it.

Disregarding the fact briles salary was 1.8million when he was hired, I will bet you 100 dollars in rutgers donation that if we get a new coach at the end of this year, we will pay more then 2 million. I think you are highly exaggerating our situation and relying on an outlier data point (2013) where a bunch of one time payments clobbered our financials AND their wasnt nearly as big of a fervor to fire Flood as there would be at the end of this year if we don't bowl

We finally agree

There is no doubt Flood will be fired at the end of the year

The question becomes do we find your visionary, game changing coach within our budget.
 
We finally agree

There is no doubt Flood will be fired at the end of the year

The question becomes do we find your visionary, game changing coach within our budget.
It's important to remember though that very few coaches start with 3-4 million dollar salaries. Most up and comers who become very good get paid ~2 million initially and then get either fired or a large increase at like year 3 (assuming standard 5 year contract). Rutgers will be able to afford both the initial and increase when that time rolls around, so that's why i don't think financial commitment will be an issue.
 
Ah now I get it.

Disregarding the fact briles salary was 1.8million when he was hired, I will bet you 100 dollars in rutgers donation that if we get a new coach at the end of this year, we will pay more then 2 million. I think you are highly exaggerating our situation and relying on an outlier data point (2013) where a bunch of one time payments clobbered our financials AND their wasnt nearly as big of a fervor to fire Flood as there would be at the end of this year if we don't bowl

"than"

Because if you don't correct it, @RU848789 will write a 6,000 word post explaining why you're wrong.

With pictures.

And circles and arrows on the back of each one, explaining what each one is about, to be used as evidence against you.
 
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Well I for one won't give up on hoping for big things for rutgers football. That hope is on ice though until Elmer Fludd is gone. And I won't believe he's gone until he's actually gone. I don't believe we are doomed to being "the same old rutgers"--but I won't believe we really AREN'T until I see reason to.
 
"than"

Because if you don't correct it, @RU848789 will write a 6,000 word post explaining why you're wrong.

With pictures.

And circles and arrows on the back of each one, explaining what each one is about, to be used as evidence against you.
I always thought Skillet was more guilty of doing that?

And the pictures thing is the UCF guys doing, no?
 
I always thought Skillet was more guilty of doing that?

And the pictures thing is the UCF guys doing, no?

I actually don't recall Skillet doing it more than once or twice. Also, despite the teasing, I only correct people who correct others and even then, only when I think they went a little overboard. And I almost never use pictures. Words usually suffice. If I actually started correcting language, unprovoked, as ThatPrick4Real did, above, it would be a full time job around here...
 
I actually don't recall Skillet doing it more than once or twice. Also, despite the teasing, I only correct people who correct others and even then, only when I think they went a little overboard. And I almost never use pictures. Words usually suffice. If I actually started correcting language, unprovoked, as ThatPrick4Real did, above, it would be a full time job around here...
I wonder why he stopped? ;)

But the UCF guy is the picture poster.
 
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I actually don't recall Skillet doing it more than once or twice. Also, despite the teasing, I only correct people who correct others and even then, only when I think they went a little overboard. And I almost never use pictures. Words usually suffice. If I actually started correcting language, unprovoked, as ThatPrick4Real did, above, it would be a full time job around here...

That would have been great...if I was actually teasing Knight in that thread. I was being serious--which, by the way, he admitted what he wrote was "mumble mouthed" (I believe he called it).
 
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