Who else were options for the job Flood got?
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Ash is better than both of them
I thought Christobol turned us down because we wouldn't pay him what he wanted.
Schiano suddenly leaving was certainly the impetus of this all happening. That and losing the BCS to Brdgewater and Louisville at home. Also Flood getting all those players to decommit. I blame those three events for putting us into rebuilding mode.
Schiano suddenly leaving was certainly the impetus of this all happening. That and losing the BCS to Brdgewater and Louisville at home. Also Flood getting all those players to decommit. I blame those three events for putting us into rebuilding mode.
I think it goes farther back than that. A series of bad decisions and luck:
1) The break up of the Big East with Miami and VT going to the ACC. The money wasn't great to begin with but it got worse and prospects were dim.
2) The further break up of the Big East Pitt, Cuse and WVU leaving. Now we were officially a second class citizen.
3) Which lead to a serious money issue. And money is the Root of where we are today.
4) Replacing Schiano. Because of the above RU had no money for a good coach.
5) Pernetti's inability to hire a good coach. Pernetti's made two coaching hires, both led to horrible outcomes.
6) Flood's inability to recruit. (he should not of been hired in the first place)
People laughed at Al Golden but they forget what he did at Temple. He would have recruited the area real well and I believe he would have given us a better chance to win.
However, in defense to coach Ash we just don't have the talent to be competitive in the New BE let alone the B10. What a mess. :(
However, in defense to coach Ash we just don't have the talent to be competitive in the New BE let alone the B10. What a mess. :(
Just before Schiano shocked us and left, board administrators were trying to hint at in a quiet way, that we were about to close out recruiting with a bang...... I take that as landing the Fuller kid and maybe a flip, another surprise maybe..... Who knows what else it might have been, but things looked very good.
For me this was the first unfortunate event that hurt any ascent we that might have started ...
In a perfect world Schiano did not leave that year, stayed through the transition to the big ten..... I believe that if he were to have left sometime before this season for that pro job, Mr Ash as the replacement, our roster would have significantly better talent... Not only would the decommits have been fewer, the excitement of the big 10 would have been sold better by Schiano to some recruits who went elsewhere
Yes, I know that Schiano never got us to the big game, but I do believe we would be a lot more competitive
With that improved roster.
Anyway, the Flood episode has set us back years.... I did support Flood because from the outside he seemed a decent hard working guy, with me not knowing all the issues of that time.
For me this was the first unfortunate event that hurt any ascent we that might have started ...
In a perfect world Schiano did not leave that year, stayed through the transition to the big ten..... I believe that if he were to have left sometime before this season for that pro job, Mr Ash as the replacement, our roster would have significantly better talent... Not only would the decommits have been fewer, the excitement of the big 10 would have been sold better by Schiano to some recruits who went elsewhere
Yes, I know that Schiano never got us to the big game, but I do believe we would be a lot more competitive
With that improved roster.
Anyway, the Flood episode has set us back years.... I did support Flood because from the outside he seemed a decent hard working guy, with me not knowing all the issues of that time.
Agree with everything except #1. This actually turned out to be the best thing possible for RU...
Miami and VT leaving allowed a very strong WVU to headline the conference and brought Louisville and USF into the fold, ushering in a short "Golden Era" of Big East Football where the Thursday night Big East game was a major spotlight game. This was before the other conferences and the NFL realized the potential audience on Thursday night. Rutgers, Louisville and USF built/developed their program reputations at this time, developing the resumes needed to move on to greener pastures or in the case of USF, be mentioned as a legitimate candidate when conference expansion comes up.
In our case specifically, we had our golden moment against Louisville in 2006, illustrating the potential if the sleeping giant ever awoke (Empire State Building in scarlet, New York media taking notice, etc). This planted the seeds for stadium expansion and - ultimately - our invitation into the B1G eight years later.
Money & poor leadership from BOGs & President have always been the reason our entire athletics dept has struggled for decades. There was never the commitment to win & we always tried to do things on the cheap & have made many bad hires in all sports over the decades.
I'm not sure I fully agree. Schiano was hired and given a lot to work with, our Athletic spending was and is on par with many teams. But, we just didn't have the revenue, hence the $30 million deficits. There is only so much you can do when you don't have revenue. Having said that, prior to the Schiano / Mulcahy years the investment was not enough to succeed and woefully inadequate and the athletic dept poorly run.
Miami and VT were the big name programs at the time. WVU, and Louisville were not marque programs enough to sustain a top conference.
Flood should have had an interim tag put on him in 2012 . I would have been fine with pernetti taking a wait and see approach with flood in 2012 . THe 2012 season was obvious that flood was a terrible game day coach, even with one of the most talented defenses in college football .
Flood should have been a transition guy and the reassigned somewhere in the athletic department after the 2012 season . Or given a nice compensation package. By November 2012 the deal was inked that we were joining the BIG and we could have got a decent coach prior to 2013 . Pernetti really was crap AD
Flood should have been a transition guy and the reassigned somewhere in the athletic department after the 2012 season . Or given a nice compensation package. By November 2012 the deal was inked that we were joining the BIG and we could have got a decent coach prior to 2013 . Pernetti really was crap AD
And Golden is where now ?...I'm all in for allowing this to play out...in year 3 we will know and I assume we will be a bit more able to anti up some extra funds...Everyone knew this year was going to be difficult now all of a sudden Ash and staff can't get it done...suggest we all wait until Ash has recruited and instituted his players into his system.
Al Golden did better with Randy Shannon's players. Golden eventually couldnt recruit Miami players to play for Miami. And you really want to put up with D'Onofrio and his 10 yard cushion zone coverages?
I thought golden would be good here . But there is really no reason for threads like this . Ash will get 4 years. He's got to recruit , recruit , recruit . And maybe take a look at his OC to see if he knows what the hell he is doing
I think there's a misunderstanding of the OP. This has nothing to do with Ash. This is about the last hiring cycle when we ended up with Flood.
At least give Ash one year to talk trash about him. You may have a point with the OC but lets see if he can at least develop players before firing him.
That happened 3 years later when flood was desperate to keep barnwell eligible . But I think he did more damage to the school as its football coach than he would have in a paper pushing position.
Jut so you know...Jerry Dinardo was also available but I assume never given any consideration. We are in every with Ash and the commitment made to him and the changes he has made. What he inherited was a loaded early season schedule that was damn near impossible and we should have beaten Iowa.
Funny how people mis-remember......
there were NO (real) candidates...... It happened on January 25, 2012 - 7 days before NLOI signing day.....
I was happy when he was hired... It was 100% the best decision at the time. I think it was clear TP made a few calls.. but Mario's wife didn't want to buy a winter coat and Assazio was too "scirred" to try,,,,
there were NO (real) candidates...... It happened on January 25, 2012 - 7 days before NLOI signing day.....
I was happy when he was hired... It was 100% the best decision at the time. I think it was clear TP made a few calls.. but Mario's wife didn't want to buy a winter coat and Assazio was too "scirred" to try,,,,
A better question would be what other head coaching options did Kyle Flood have then? Or what head coaching options -- no, wait, strike that... what COACHING options he has now?
That tells you all you need to know about what an historically abysmal hire he was.
That tells you all you need to know about what an historically abysmal hire he was.
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The bottom line is that it was all about keeping the class together and continuity. It's easy coming off a 58-0 beat die to second guess everything. At the time it seemed like the right move. It didn't work out and I still think we made the right hire with Ash. We all knew we would take some lumps installing new systems with QBs not suited for it. Why do we always act surprised when we see it play out against a NC contender? Get in it for the long haul with Ash.
We hired Flood to keep the 2012 class which in hindsight was a bad idea unless TP knew the B1G deal was coming and needed to show B1G level players were coming. Either way despite the rookie mistakes I think Ash will be better than all of them. It will just take a longer time.
I'm convinced we'd be at an Iowa-Nebraska level of success in B1G if Schiano had stayed, capable of beating everyone in the league, except maybe OSU and even those games would be generally competitive. I would have loved to see how he could have recruited with the B1G behind him - he was pulling in top 35 classes in the BE, so there's no reason he wouldn't have been pulling in top 20 classes in the B1G. And he might've stayed at RU over going to the NFL, at least according to my friend, who is very close friends with Schiano, from their playing days at Bucknell.
Unfortunately, I think he had given up hope on ever getting out of the BE/AAC and our great guy, but amateur, AD, Pernetti, made a huge blunder in hiring Flood, who had minimal experience and obviously turned out to be a poor coach, bad recruiter, and horrible disciplinarian. Many of us wanted him gone after year 2, when it seemed obvious he wasn't getting it done and the rumors were out about his lack of work ethic and control of the team. It wasn't worth keeping him to retain a couple of recruits - realistically, it wasn't like more than a few would have decommitted that late anyway and it was much more important to find at least a decent coach.
A decent coach - and I refuse to believe we couldn't have found someone who was at least decent - maybe wins the AAC that year, recruits better and is still likely here today. But this is all moot now. I believe we have a potentially very good coach in Ash, but it's going to take a couple of years to see significant improvement - I just hope the recruits can hang in there and buy into his vision, realizing in 2-3 more years, success is much more likely.
Unfortunately, I think he had given up hope on ever getting out of the BE/AAC and our great guy, but amateur, AD, Pernetti, made a huge blunder in hiring Flood, who had minimal experience and obviously turned out to be a poor coach, bad recruiter, and horrible disciplinarian. Many of us wanted him gone after year 2, when it seemed obvious he wasn't getting it done and the rumors were out about his lack of work ethic and control of the team. It wasn't worth keeping him to retain a couple of recruits - realistically, it wasn't like more than a few would have decommitted that late anyway and it was much more important to find at least a decent coach.
A decent coach - and I refuse to believe we couldn't have found someone who was at least decent - maybe wins the AAC that year, recruits better and is still likely here today. But this is all moot now. I believe we have a potentially very good coach in Ash, but it's going to take a couple of years to see significant improvement - I just hope the recruits can hang in there and buy into his vision, realizing in 2-3 more years, success is much more likely.
Yeah, but that's all hindsight #s. We had less than a week to signing day when GS quit. And I disagree somewhat about GS recruiting. His recruiting had plateaued and he was given a lifeline when Wanny was fired and Hafley, Angelico, etc. came over. Ash is the natural progression and rebuild we need to get started again.
I think you underestimate how difficult it was to recruit for a team with an uncertain future with a disintegrating conference.
Bingo! If Schiano stayed, does anyone doubt that we likely would've won the AAC that year? And then with a B1G invite on top of that, I can't imagine Greg not having pulled in a very good class.
Not underestimating it at all. Just stating a fact. Your point is another discussion.
I do doubt that. I am grateful for everything he did to build the program, but let's face it, he was never a great game day coach. It's not a slam dunk that he finds a way to win the league that year.
