Why couldn't Barnwell e-mail the professor?
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There are some many unknowns in this story that this list could be endless -
- maybe Barnwell had - but could not get a response
- maybe Barnwell had had a conversation & felt that he was getting non-answers / or was getting treated dismissively
- maybe Barnwell was being ambiguous with Flood & Flood was looking to get resolution one way or another.
- maybe this was an instructor that Flood knew (or thought he knew) & Flood tried to expedite the process
- maybe Barnwell knew he fell short of the mark & was despondent & basically giving up - & Flood said let me see if there is anything that you can possibly do to improve this.
we just don't know - and likely never will.
- maybe Barnwell had - but could not get a response
- maybe Barnwell had had a conversation & felt that he was getting non-answers / or was getting treated dismissively
- maybe Barnwell was being ambiguous with Flood & Flood was looking to get resolution one way or another.
- maybe this was an instructor that Flood knew (or thought he knew) & Flood tried to expedite the process
- maybe Barnwell knew he fell short of the mark & was despondent & basically giving up - & Flood said let me see if there is anything that you can possibly do to improve this.
we just don't know - and likely never will.
It's exactly what a reasonable Head Coach, who cares about his team and his player would do!
This is a bunch of nonsense. Imagine the legitimate criticism if he had done nothing.
This is all about politics and hurting Rutgers football.
This is a bunch of nonsense. Imagine the legitimate criticism if he had done nothing.
This is all about politics and hurting Rutgers football.
I love sarcasm and this was funny. Of course Joepa had tons of interaction with his professors over the years. He had waayyy to much power at PSU which led to the criminal cover up of a very sad situation. If contacting teachers was the worse thing PSU has done over the years nobody would be bashing them. I don't bash them even now but I am disgusted by what happened there. No doubt about that and I think many of their own fans feel how I do. But it's over now so let's move on. But good job comparing these issues. Good humor. This board needs more humor.
It's only "reasonable" if it happens at Rutgers. If this happened at any other school and with any other coach, this board would be up in arms. I think the board would probably combust and catch on fire if this happened at PSU.
Ummmmm......no. I hate PSU and especially their coach but I can tell you unequivocally that I would look at this situation if it happened at Penn State and say......nothing to see here. I would think it is equally rediculous.
Now, if there was proof that the coach tried to coerce or strong arm the professor, well that would be different. But since that isn't the case here I would think the same thing regardless of where it happened..........much ado about nothing. The best sign that fan bases far and wide think this is nothing is that when you don't have a ton of your enemies coming over to pounce on you in a situation like this then you know it is perceived as nothing. Lets please just move on!
That's fair. I should have said the lunatics on this board (of which there are many) would be up in arms. It's the reasonable people such as yourselves that get lost in all of the madness projected by the loud, obnoxious minority.
For all we know the kid did or maybe because Nadir talked to the Professor face to face after his last class ended didn't think of following it up with a e-mail.
Could be Barnwell forgot to ask about earning extra credit after his summer courses were over in that conversation and asked his coach if there was a way to do that because he was embarrassed he forgot to ask that professor.
Could be Barnwell forgot to ask about earning extra credit after his summer courses were over in that conversation and asked his coach if there was a way to do that because he was embarrassed he forgot to ask that professor.
agree that this is a non issue anywhere else.
it is part of the university culture historically that the faculty at Rutgers does not want the athletic department to over-shadow the academic integrity of the university.
it is part of the university culture historically that the faculty at Rutgers does not want the athletic department to over-shadow the academic integrity of the university.
Then he shouldn't have been playing football.
Bottom line Flood did break a University Rule. Something must come of it in order that the NCAA doesn't think we overlook things which would be bad in the future. Either way this needs to be closed and settled by Monday so the teams attention can be completely on the upcoming game
If the professors ignore students after they fail, then it looks like undue influence when a head coach steps in to get a response. If the professor was a dick to Barnwell because he was a player, then Flood should take it up with the higher ups. Not the professor directly.
Where did I say anything about Paterno? The current coach was who I was referring to. If it makes you feel better, substitute a coach from any program instead of TTFP. That was the question, had nothing to do with the scandal there. Kind of funny how you are the one who brought up the sick crap that went on there and then said it's time to move on. Yeah baby.
This is a Rutgers issue, don't bring this boards reaction to if it happened some place else.
It happened at Rutgers and how RU fans are reacting ( sky is falling/ no big deal) should be the only issue
concerning this incident in my opinion.
WTF does another school have to be brought into RU issues so often, if that school wasn't even remotely part of what happened.:chairshot:
In the big scheme of things, NCAA probably doesn't care if Flood broke a policy/procedure one time....What might cause the NCAA to ever think of taking action is if the RU investigation finds out that Flood has used his personal non-RU email account in the past in contacting other RU Profs/Instructors, in a way thinking it would never show up in Freedom of Info Act in regards to his Official RU Email communication. (i.e. media probably has no clue the hundreds or 1,000 plus full or part-time instructors to even think of asking for FOIA stuff).
I think that and only that is what would concern the NCAA
WTF does Penn St have to be brought up.
Seems like that school is brought into RU issues unnecessarily far to often.
Barnwell e-mailing or not e-mailing that professor is the issue, but now fan reaction if it happened someplace else seems to be the subject some want to discuss.
Start a friggen thread about that, so I can ignore all this Nit BS when trying to discuss RU issues.
End of rant :D
Agreed, but let's not pretend that this sort of thing doesn't happen. Probably more so at some other schools than Rutgers, but I'm sure it occasionally happens at RU, too.
I know high school is way different from college. But when I was a head or assistant coach at the high school level, I always went to the teachers to talk about issues with my players. Don't you think if Barnwell would go to his teachers more often for help and questions, we wouldn't be in this situation to start?
yes reasonable logic in general -
however, in this very specific individual case related to Barnwell and this specific course and this specific instructor - we just don't know
He was taking a class on "Emailing your professor" when you're on shaky ground from UNC's vaunted extension program.
MO
Because schools like Ped State, Suckacuse, Puke, Notre Damned etc. get preferential treatment as if they're royalty ...while the Rutgers of the world
languish / are penalized as if they are guilty before the trial or the facts are presented.
Rutgers is the Chicago Cubs (before Bryant)....or stuck in the middle of the French Revolution or a peaceful fearful citizen being attacked by Isis where the only outcomes are :beheading half the town and starving / cutting off the water supply to the other half: all the while watching as the terrorists destroy history / antiquities.
MO
I think it can be agreed Flood made a mistake in contacting that professor and some posters here feel its a major violation of the rules and Flood should be punished severely.
At least it looks like that to me in some of the posts I have seen in the threads discussing Flood's e-mail.
But I feel it's a minor infraction and the Flood is in trouble crowd might not see the punishment they expect Coach Flood to get.
As for what Kyle said about interacting with Professors, last year one of them invited Flood to speak to his Project Management class through one of the players on the team, which Flood considered a teaching experience : “I taught a graduate-level business course"
Also Kyle was a guest lecturer in some courses in leadership and considered that as a teaching the class when he was the guest lecturer in those classes.
http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...26/classes-kyle-flood-teach-rutgers/32418677/
I feel those experiences made it easy for Flood to forget the procedure RU has in place to limit contact between coaches and the
Professors that have one of Kyle's players in his class.
Doesn't excuse the contact, but could show why Flood explained why he sent the e-mail the way he did.
At least it looks like that to me in some of the posts I have seen in the threads discussing Flood's e-mail.
But I feel it's a minor infraction and the Flood is in trouble crowd might not see the punishment they expect Coach Flood to get.
As for what Kyle said about interacting with Professors, last year one of them invited Flood to speak to his Project Management class through one of the players on the team, which Flood considered a teaching experience : “I taught a graduate-level business course"
Also Kyle was a guest lecturer in some courses in leadership and considered that as a teaching the class when he was the guest lecturer in those classes.
http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...26/classes-kyle-flood-teach-rutgers/32418677/
I feel those experiences made it easy for Flood to forget the procedure RU has in place to limit contact between coaches and the
Professors that have one of Kyle's players in his class.
Doesn't excuse the contact, but could show why Flood explained why he sent the e-mail the way he did.
Yes you can and I have the right to say your post might lead to hijacking the issue into an argument about another school.
Silly Sally might agree , so don't get so fu$&1n upset, unless you feel I'm right about keeping Rutgers issues as a RU issue [winking]
Flood is a man of high character and integrity. I refuse to believe until shown otherwise that it was anything more than KF reaching out to a professor to see if there was anything that Barnwell could do to improve his situation. It's too easy to dismiss KF's actions as a head coach needing Barnwell at cornerback. I think there is much more to Flood than that.
jonS, I agree with you. But the problem is that if there's a policy in place that forbids this sort of thing, it's still a violation. It would kind of be like getting a parking ticket, not really a very big deal, but you still got the ticket and pay the fine.
ESPN, Fratcessca, StarLiar ...fill in the blank.
What penalty did Boehim / Suckacuse suffer for their indescretions? What penalty was imposed and then lifted almost overnight against PED state?
Sleepin on the job is no way to get ahead.
MO
I'm in my 40th year of being a prof, including 29 at RU, and have worked with a lot of athletes. Kids differ. Just because somebody is a monster between the hash marks doesn't mean that he feels comfortable coming up to a prof to admit to having messed up and asking for a second chance.
The prefrontal cortex is where decision-making, judgment, etc., occurs, and it simply isn't fully developed until the mid-20's. Kids do dumb things. I remember one athlete a while back who always seemed to be saying the thing that would end up on the other team's locker room wall. He is a highly successful professional today.
It does seem to me that it's time some sort of statement about the magnitude of what we are dealing with here is made by the University. If this is a small deal, say so. If it is more complicated, say so. Silence is not helping now.
The prefrontal cortex is where decision-making, judgment, etc., occurs, and it simply isn't fully developed until the mid-20's. Kids do dumb things. I remember one athlete a while back who always seemed to be saying the thing that would end up on the other team's locker room wall. He is a highly successful professional today.
It does seem to me that it's time some sort of statement about the magnitude of what we are dealing with here is made by the University. If this is a small deal, say so. If it is more complicated, say so. Silence is not helping now.
Aside from being totally wrong and against both university and NCAA rules, great post.
But ESPN, Francesca and the Ledger do not have the power to impose penalties, not the power to take away penalties. Of course the court of public opinion matters, but when it comes right down to it, they are irrelevant in the face of university and NCAA rules.
"Preferential treatment" is of no consequence, unless your university AD and/or president are gutless and/or gullible.
Stop worrying about what the "media" is saying, as if it's one big group that gets together every week to decide what to do. Worry about the "what" and whether it's a big deal, a little deal or no deal. Then worry about Saturday afternoons.
You're not capable of having a rational discussion so I'll pass on responding to you.
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