Why so surprised?

[buffalochicken21]

Over the last week we learned the details of Flood's attempt to get Barnwell a better grade. We learned of his insistence on emailing the professor after the academic advisors told him to stop. We learned he went through with meeting the professor at another college's campus after the advisors told him any contact was against the rules. We also learned that every step along the way he attempted to cover up his steps, foolishly telling the academic advisor and teacher "this conversation stays between me and you."

These revalations have shocked some people on this board who claim he is a "Rutgers man" of integrity and just tries to do the best things for his players.

My question is, why so surprised? Why the shock?

This is a person who is so stubborn he kept Gary Nova in a game after he threw 6 interceptions. This is a man so unwilling to change, that he's allowed a defensive scheme that repeatedly sets records in yards allowed per game. He insists the scheme is never the problem and has not allowed adjustments after spread teams torch us game after game. This is someone so arrogant that he awarded Gary Nova the starting job, on national TV, after losing the ugliest offensive football game I've ever seen versus Virginia Tech. This is someone who arrogantly pulled offers from 4 star recruits for talking to other schools like he was Urban Meyer.

This is someone with zero position coaching experience, who comes up with a game plan, and absolutely refuses to adjust for any reason by any means. He must always "look at the tape." He must "study the film." Dare he make a decision while the game is actually being played. Dare he actually make a move to win, if it doesn't fit the plan he's put in place.

He lucked his way into this job, and has been beyond arrogant and stubborn every step of the way.

So my question is, why are you surprised in Flood's arrogant and stubborn behavior off the field? And more importantly, why do some of you still want him to haplessly coach this football team?

 

[scarletrider]

Amen

 

[rutgersdave]

The Flood supporters have already disappeared. I wish I had a list of the supporters. I know RUMike1766 hasn't been posting but I think he might work for Flood since everything was perfect with Rutgers football.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Man you people are twisted.

 

[Extra Point]

Well, for one, if Flood was to pull Nova we would have had Laviano and most posters think Laviano isn't as good as Rettig.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Well, for one, if Flood was to pull Nova we would have had Laviano and most posters think Laviano isn't as good as Rettig.

The only way to know what the backup can do is to see him in a game situation with the full support of the coaching staff. We have now seen what Nova's backup can do in an extended audition.

What can Laviano's backup do with similar support from the coaching staff?

I would enjoy an opportunity to find out how good Rettig is.

 

[cliffbuck]

When Flood refused to pull Nova it was not Laviano who would have come in, it was Chas Dodd. Dodd was very good and at that point was much further along than either Laviano or Rettig is now.

 

[imbazza]

When Flood refused to pull Nova it was not Laviano who would have come in, it was Chas Dodd. Dodd was very good and at that point was much further along than either Laviano or Rettig is now.

Dodd was a flake he was good for a while then then went postal with his throws. tell history like it was not what you wished you saw it

 

[brgossRU90]

Our offensive problems, as always, go far beyond qb play, although if we don't start doing a better job with qbs in the age of the quarterback we might as well not bother with any of it.

 

[lighty]

"Dodd was a flake he was good for a while then then went postal with his throws. tell history like it was not what you wished you saw it"

The REAL HISTORY is that there is no excuse for leaving a QB in a game after as many interceptions as Nova had against a team you were supposed to be able to beat. Even if you don't have much faith in your backup, why keep a starter in after 4,5, or 6 interceptions?

Even former QBs on this board wondered if that might shatter Nova's confidence for the long-term. Keeping him in was a horrible thing to do for Nova and for the team. It also took away a golden opportunity to get the backup some real game experience. Part of RU's problem has been a failure to develop backup qbs or even give them the chance for real-time experience. This was another wasted opportunity.

 

[cliffbuck]

Dodd was a flake he was good for a while then then went postal with his throws. tell history like it was not what you wished you saw it

Is this supposed to make sense, "tell history like it was not what you wished you saw it" ?

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

That is very harsh, brutally harsh... but not 100% incorrect however.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Over the last week we learned the details of Flood's attempt to get Barnwell a better grade. We learned of his insistence on emailing the professor after the academic advisors told him to stop. We learned he went through with meeting the professor at another college's campus after the advisors told him any contact was against the rules. We also learned that every step along the way he attempted to cover up his steps, foolishly telling the academic advisor and teacher "this conversation stays between me and you."

These revalations have shocked some people on this board who claim he is a "Rutgers man" of integrity and just tries to do the best things for his players.

My question is, why so surprised? Why the shock?

This is a person who is so stubborn he kept Gary Nova in a game after he threw 6 interceptions. This is a man so unwilling to change, that he's allowed a defensive scheme that repeatedly sets records in yards allowed per game. He insists the scheme is never the problem and has not allowed adjustments after spread teams torch us game after game. This is someone so arrogant that he awarded Gary Nova the starting job, on national TV, after losing the ugliest offensive football game I've ever seen versus Virginia Tech. This is someone who arrogantly pulled offers from 4 star recruits for talking to other schools like he was Urban Meyer.

This is someone with zero position coaching experience, who comes up with a game plan, and absolutely refuses to adjust for any reason by any means. He must always "look at the tape." He must "study the film." Dare he make a decision while the game is actually being played. Dare he actually make a move to win, if it doesn't fit the plan he's put in place.

He lucked his way into this job, and has been beyond arrogant and stubborn every step of the way.

So my question is, why are you surprised in Flood's arrogant and stubborn behavior off the field? And more importantly, why do some of you still want him to haplessly coach this football team?

No problem with any of this - with one exception
- my recollection of "Dismay with visits" & the "pull the offer" situation was that Flood expressed general dismay with kids taking those post-RU commit visits - but as far as a real "pull the offer" it really only related to one individual player (Adonis Jennings) - and it was supposedly pulled after a discussion in which the player & his father gave a hand-shake assurance to Flood on a Thursday that the player was not going to do any more visits - - and then less than 24 hours later the player was doing a Friday/Saturday visit on the exact campus that he had told Flood that he would not visit. As it ultimately turned out, this was/is a player that appears to still be sorting out his priorities.
If this version of the story is accurate, it is hard to hold this up as a knock on Flood. - - - However it does seem that it might have been able to have been dealt with in a far shrewder manner -

 

[RUGT]

This is a person who is so stubborn he kept Gary Nova in a game after he threw 6 interceptions. This is a man so unwilling to change, that he's allowed a defensive scheme that repeatedly sets records in yards allowed per game. He insists the scheme is never the problem and has not allowed adjustments after spread teams torch us game after game. This is someone so arrogant that he awarded Gary Nova the starting job, on national TV, after losing the ugliest offensive football game I've ever seen versus Virginia Tech.

I won't comment on the rest of your post, but this revisionist history regarding Flood's "stubbornness" and the 2012 QB situation needs to be put to rest.

1) Arguments can be made Flood gave too big of a leash in 2012, but the 2012 stubbornness has to be looked at through the context of the 2011 season, where Schiano got blasted for his musical QB chair season.

2) The same praise that is being heaped onto Rettig is eerily similar to what posters were saying in 2011/ early 2012 for Nova, e.g "He is the future", "He has a higher ceiling", "he needs game experience over Dodd", etc.

3) There were QB open competitions in both the 2012 AND 2013 spring/summer camps. Nova won both.

4) Are you forgetting early 2012 Nova? He lit up Arkansas (who, at the time, everyone though was going to be at least decent) and played pretty damn well for a true sophomore up until Kent State. Where do you draw the line between letting a QB learn and earn experience through growing pains /// knowing it's time to pull the plug entirely on a current QB?

5) Are you forgetting the 2013 season even happened? You know, the season where Nova WAS pulled for our amazing backup QB who everyone wanted. And SURPRISE, Dodd was just as mediocre as he always had been.

What I see from all of this is a Coach with a young QB who he let make mistakes in order to grow. As noted, I am sympathetic toward the argument that Flood gave too long of a leash in 2012, but don't think for a second that we had anyone who was consistently better than him waiting in the wings. Our QB depth was terrible and we were basically stuck between a rock and hard place.

 

[beaced]

I won't comment on the rest of your post, but this revisionist history regarding Flood's "stubbornness" and the 2012 QB situation needs to be put to rest.

1) Arguments can be made Flood gave too big of a leash in 2012, but the 2012 stubbornness has to be looked at through the context of the 2011 season, where Schiano got blasted for his musical QB chair season.

2) The same praise that is being heaped onto Rettig is eerily similar to what posters were saying in 2011/ early 2012 for Nova, e.g "He is the future", "He has a higher ceiling", "he needs game experience over Dodd", etc.

3) There were QB open competitions in both the 2012 AND 2013 spring/summer camps. Nova won both.

4) Are you forgetting early 2012 Nova? He lit up Arkansas (who, at the time, everyone though was going to be at least decent) and played pretty damn well for a true sophomore up until Kent State. Where do you draw the line between letting a QB learn and earn experience through growing pains /// knowing it's time to pull the plug entirely on a current QB?

5) Are you forgetting the 2013 season even happened? You know, the season where Nova WAS pulled for our amazing backup QB who everyone wanted. And SURPRISE, Dodd was just as mediocre as he always had been.

What I see from all of this is a Coach with a young QB who he let make mistakes in order to grow. As noted, I am sympathetic toward the argument that Flood gave too long of a leash in 2012, but don't think for a second that we had anyone who was consistently better than him waiting in the wings. Our QB depth was terrible and we were basically stuck between a rock and hard place.

Makes great sense. NOW,PLAY RETTIG.:sunglasses:

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Absolutely NOTHING to be surprised about what we're seeing on the field right now.

 

[lighty]

"4) Are you forgetting early 2012 Nova? He lit up Arkansas (who, at the time, everyone though was going to be at least decent) and played pretty damn well for a true sophomore up until Kent State. Where do you draw the line between letting a QB learn and earn experience through growing pains /// knowing it's time to pull the plug entirely on a current QB?"


I think there is a good argument for taking a young player OUT OF THE GAME in order to help him learn. Nova was so awful that day against Kent State. Flood risked crushing whatever confidence he had.

Plus, it's hard to say coaches should do what Flood did to make QBs better because it took Nova a very long time to get to where he was as a senior. Should every young starter be given that much latitude? If so, it's like you are in rebuilding mode 3 of every 4 years. That's too much.

 

[Knight Ed]

I'm always fascinated by sports fans who want to see an easy fix to their teams woes. If we simply take out that bad QB and replace him with the obviously better QB on the bench we will win. If only the key to Rutgers being a good football team was that simple.

 

[RUGT]

I think there is a good argument for taking a young player OUT OF THE GAME in order to help him learn. Nova was so awful that day against Kent State. Flood risked crushing whatever confidence he had.

Plus, it's hard to say coaches should do what Flood did to make QBs better because it took Nova a very long time to get to where he was as a senior. Should every young starter be given that much latitude? If so, it's like you are in rebuilding mode 3 of every 4 years. That's too much.

I completely agree with your first point - taking a young player out when he is clearly struggling should have been done in hindsight. I was just supplying contextual information as to why it wasn't such an immediately obvious decision at the time.

I disagree on your second point though. New starters (and note I said 'New', not necessarily young) should definitely be given a decent amount of latitude and I don't think it means rebuilding every 3-4 years. The problem we had in 2012 was basically zero depth outside of Dodd and Nova and horrific QB development during the Schiano era (Teel was even quoted as much saying he was basically his own QB coach and learned a lot of things he ostensibly should have already known when he went to the Seahawks). I don't know how good our QB development is now, but at least we have viable backups and can afford to redshirt freshmen QBs so that they have more time to learn the playbook and digest the pace of the college game. The drop in QB production is usually going to happen no matter what when going from a multi year starter to a new QB, but that delta can be diminished when you can turn to players who have spent some years in the system learning versus needing to utilize a true freshman like in 2010 and 2011.

 

[BoroKnight]

I lean toward Rettig at this point myself, but I do find it ironic and almost silly that so many people here are ripping Flood for his handling of quarterbacks and many of the same people want to bring back a coach whose mishandling of the position was almost legendary.

 

[vm7118]

I lean toward Rettig at this point myself, but I do find it ironic and almost silly that so many people here are ripping Flood for his handling of quarterbacks and many of the same people want to bring back a coach whose mishandling of the position was almost legendary.

so it says a lot when flood manages to mishandle the QB situation even worse. he just named laviano starter vs kansas.

 

[ru-baby]

3) There were QB open competitions in both the 2012 AND 2013 spring/summer camps. Nova won both.
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You really believe that? That Flood held fair competitions? The same Flood who anointed Nova qb for life after the VT bowl game?

I don't for one second.

And I don't believe now that green shirt wearing practice tells anyone that Laviano is better (and I have a hard time believing Laviano looks better in the green shirt role than Rettig).

We have seen Laviano in parts of two years and spring games. HE is what he is. And he he lost the last two games.

So if there was a FAIR COMPETITION and they were close as the caretaker has said, it's lunacy not to try the other guy for a bit -even to see if a spark.

Beating a bad Kansas team and having your backup have no real minutes against a quality opponent is absurd. That's that this era has been in qb handling -absurd.