Yet in multiple threads other posters have specifically mentioned it. So others with personal axes to grind have brought it up. It’s pathetic.
Why sum are mad at Geo...
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When you play poorly you’re subject to ridicule in high level, big money sports.
That will never change
too bad, when we see wild swings in effort and pouting while there was a ton of energy spent on something off the court, then criticism is warranted
Said another way..."When you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk"
he was a B1G Honorable Mention
Too many act like Geo is a superstar when in relaity he's a good player who has stepped up many times, but also has games where his flaws show.
Even if he walked the walk, talked the talk and played like there was no tomorrow, some would still find something wrong with his game because they hate the NIL being part of College Sports and he was a big part of it.
If you advertise your business with your name or think that's ok AND you're against NIL then you're a hypocrite.
In order to exist, my business does not rely on a couple hundred other businesses to exist in the same field and participate. On the other hand, college basketball players need other college basketball players (and a bunch of college basketball teams) in order to generate money. Nobody is paying for a t-shirt from a 20 year old standing at mid-court dribbling by himself (with no uniform on) for 40 minutes.
All businesses rely on other businesses. And that wouldn't matter anyway. If you have the right to use your name then I have the right to use my name. Not rocket science. A first grader would get this.
He has under achieved on those awards especially given where he was pre selected vs. where he finished ( un biased voters) and I have no personal issue with his efforts on Nil..just his play fwiw).
Is it too much for him to show passion in the first half..this was Lehigh and Merrimack..we are setting the bar low
First, all businesses do not rely on THEIR COMPETITORS' participation in order to exist.
Second, if I need you (my competitor) to have a functional business, and you need me (your competitor) to have a functional business, and we both contractually agree not to use our names while participating in our industry ... then no, we wouldn't have rights to use our names.
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I'm sure there are businesses that wouldn't have suppliers if they were the only customer.
Lol in order for the two kids selling videos to make a contract to not use their names they must have names to contract with to begin with. So you just supported my argument. Simple logic. You are beyond hilarious.
I think may be this is the least educated statement I've read on these boards. The inaccuracies (blowing game after game, not a very good player) are so incorrect as to be amusing.
FFS, every NCAA basketball player agreed that they would not use their names and likenesses (or anything else) to earn money while participating in the sport. This is because everyone involved had come to the realization decades ago that the sport could not exist if schools with huge alumni and donor bases could just come in and purchase all of the best players for their schools. It's common sense that it would wreck the sport and then THE SPORT WOULD CEASE TO EXIST at most schools and it would ruin the educational opportunities of 95% of would-be NCAA basketball players.
You can't have a sport without opponent teams. You can't have opponent teams without players on those teams. In order to have opponent teams, everyone involved agreed to rules where players would not accept or earn compensation (other than the scholarships, and the room and board, and meals, and books, and travel opportunities). These are adults that made a contractual agreement.
Agreed. I don't like the guy. I think he's selfish and stupid. And he pouted most of last season to the team's detriment.
Umm maybe you don't read much. Those contracts were ruled to be illegal because the NCAA created a monopoly. Or are you an anarchist who's against all rules? Do you want to get rid of rules of the road, rules against theft, rules against fraud? Because that's what monopolies do, they set up conditions that result in people being defrauded. If the price of applying laws uniformly is the loss of college sports so be it. But I doubt that will happen.
Yes, exactly. The NCAA did not restrict money/compensation received by themselves, coaches, staff, schools, media. Only players. The way some of you talk you make it seem that a few players were able to hijack the Supreme Court. No. Not even close. But when something doesn't go your way you attack the most vulnerable target, which in this case ate the players. But the players have the least responsibility for this mess. Blame the NCAA. Blame the schools. Even blame the Supreme Court if you want even though all they did was uphold the law. Maybe even look in the mirror. But don't blame the players. They don't make any of the rules, they don't make colleges have sports, they don't make fans go to games, and so on.
I like Geo and think he’s a pretty good ball player. I also think people who are claiming he was “distracted” by what was going on with the NIL must have never played sports. It’s a ridiculous and entirely false premise that athletes cannot focus on their sport when needed and then do others things (like school, GFs, the NIL, whatever) when not in practices or games.
I want our players to make as much money as they possibly can from the massive revenue generator that is college basketball and college football. The players are the product and they deserve some of that revenue. Kids on academic scholarship can make as much money as they wish. That should apply equality to student athletes. Obviously the courts agree.
The balance between competitiveness and player income will occur naturally, and constitutionally, because everybody involved understands that without enough competitiveness, the revenue will stop flowing. All the things people cite as downsides will self-correct if they become problems.
I will never understand why people seek to hold other people back. I think everybody should do as well in life as they possibly can, within the rules of the system. And that applies to CEOs or janitors or government workers.
I want our players to make as much money as they possibly can from the massive revenue generator that is college basketball and college football. The players are the product and they deserve some of that revenue. Kids on academic scholarship can make as much money as they wish. That should apply equality to student athletes. Obviously the courts agree.
The balance between competitiveness and player income will occur naturally, and constitutionally, because everybody involved understands that without enough competitiveness, the revenue will stop flowing. All the things people cite as downsides will self-correct if they become problems.
I will never understand why people seek to hold other people back. I think everybody should do as well in life as they possibly can, within the rules of the system. And that applies to CEOs or janitors or government workers.
You can't possibly believe this. Has this happened once in the last 50 years in any industry?
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Mildone,
Jersey Mikes make a $28 million dollar investment over 20 years putting their name on the building Rutgers Basketball plays in.
What if.....
Jersey Mikes wants to protect it's investment by making sure Rutgers Basketball is successful with 8,000 paying fans per game along with games on network TV and multiple spots on sportscenter with celebration at Jersey Mikes arena. They realize by investing an extra 1,000,000 per year they can pay 5 Rutgers players to be on billboards for a rate of $200,000.
Do you have a problem with this?
For the record I am vehemently against NIL. I respect Geo fighting for NIL rights as I get why an athlete would be upset that his coach can make $3,000,000, but the player gets none.
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Yes, quite obviously. Which is why CFB is such a huge revenue generator. If all the whiney prognostications of doom were to occur, the revenue flow would dry up. Nobody, not the NCAA, not the schools, not the players or coaches, want that to happen. So it won’t happen.
I never said it would be perfectly balanced. Just that a balance, similar to what we have today, will be maintained.
I have no problem with that hypothetical scenario. If a problem evolves whereby the balance of competitiveness is altered to the point where the revenue slows up, all the stakeholders will push back and an adjustment will occur.
There will be winners and losers in all this change. There always is with all change. But it’ll work out.
But that doesn't happen in a vacuum. First off, you don't pay someone a million dollars if 10,000 will do the same job, and you don't pay 5 people when you can get the same value by paying one... companies are not in the habit of overpaying, and those that do don't stay in business long. This sort of thing would happen gradually, over time, as companies feel out the value they get for these sorts of investments. Also, if this sort of thing proves out its value for one company, many companies will jump into that same pool, and there will be a bidding war up to what the market can tolerate.
There will be winners and losers in that, but that will be based on the value of those investments can bring. But there are already winners and losers given conference payouts for media rights packages. We'd be positioned fairly well for that, given our media market.
How is that relevant in any way? Are you saying kids on academic scholarships shouldn’t be allowed to earn money outside of school? Because you didn’t earn a scholarship? What makes scholarship athletes different than those with academic scholarships?
So essentially you aren't against free market system in college sports and the paying of players, irrespective of where it comes from.
I obviously don't agree, but respect your opinion. ALERT, going to whine.......I don't see how college sports as we know it happens with players getting paid. I do think the unraveling would take place over many years. Non revenue sports would be dead early.
They paid $28,000,000 already, thats a Sload of subs to sell. 10,000 isnt getting a 5 star recruit here. The asking price will be 7 figures soon.
Exactly. It’s a change. There will be a period of adjustment. But it’ll be okay.
Doesn‘t matter anyway. The courts ruled. They may possibly rule in other ways that permit NCAA athletes other compensation. Or possibly unrestricted compensation. It’ll work itself out and the rights of student athletes will be preserved.
It's relevant because the players do receive compensation from the school for playing sports, unlike the assertion that had been made that they get nothing.
To be fair, for the last year, neither does Geo.
I am for players being allowed to earn money while in college. Just like all other students.
Schools sometimes pay grad students in some graduate programs, right? Not a lot, but some. I mean pay them a small salary above and beyond their scholarships, for scholarship students.
And schools compete with each other for research grants and for academic prestige. How is that different than sports?
My son had his athletic program cut indirectly because football was too expensive. It will work it's way out for some, but we are going in the wrong direction.
I'll get off the soapbox.
No, they paid $28 million for naming rights for a stadium, so their name will be mentioned every time there is a home game, across multiple newspapers, television stations, news programs, etc. If someone gave Ron Harper the million dollars, what additional value will be gained above and beyond what they purchased already? Getting to put his name and face on a billboard, or in a commercial? That doesn't carry nearly the same reach for value as your name being mentioned every time the arena is mentioned.
The value you are talking about is if they can woo some elite level players, there will be potentially more media coverage and more nationally televised games. But that is an incremental value, and it would need to prove out the ROI.
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