they certainly were lost at Northwestern, just because they beat a 5 man school what does that mean
Win Shows EJ Hasn't Lost The Team
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they certainly were lost at Northwestern, just because they beat a 5 man school what does that mean
When you win 29 games in three years, and are 3-34 in the B1G, don't expect positive press coverage.
If he gets one more year, you essentially write of next years recruiting class. He will not be able to sign anyone in the fall.
This sounds so naive Willis, and is so unlike you. What exactly is the press going to write about Ash? Just wait till we face Dark times. The hacks won't hesitate to pile on. There's a reason it's called a honeymoon period. They take the editorial viewpoint which will sell the most papers.
Because of ships available that won't really matter THAT much. But I get your point.
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but unless an A list coach comes next years class will be written off no matter who is coaching.
The next HC will be in a similar position in three years. One or two upperclassmen who stuck around, an incoming transfer or two and the rest frosh and sophs who will struggle to win games in the B1G.
Not a reason to keep Eddie, just a ScarletNation preview that I will likely be defending the next guy in Year Three also.
Winning last night was fun, but didn't see any particular identity or style. EJ apparently hasn't lost the team because he is a good guy with lots of NBA experience who treats his kids like adults. If he was a jerk AND the team was losing, he would have lost them. Fact remains, he cannot coach a power conference team, and will hook on as an NBA assistant if he wishes. Gee, this is sounding so much like the debate about keeping Fred Hill Jr at the end of his last year; there were some number of FHJ diehards that wanted to give him at least another year.
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They are columnists not beat reporters and it is their job to go where the stories are. When the basketball program has done nothing but embarrass itself on and off the court for 25 years it's not their fault. Tara Sullivan was a writer for the Targum when I was a student and she is probably just as annoyed as a lot us how the program has stained the Rutgers name. Politi annoys me a lot but not as much as Luicci used to. But even then I knew that it wasn't their job to excuse poor performance in some misguided effort to "support the home team". I'm glad someone is covering the program and writing these columns. Mind boggling that anyone can sit by and blame the media for Jordan's failures. If these folks were writing columns saying Jordan should be given another year I would be livid and certainly wouldn't see it as supporting the program. Support Jordan maybe but certainly not the program.
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I would never be a fan if this was my opinion. Your position is that we are hopeless. When i reach that point as a fan, I would not follow the program. My point is Eddie can't recruit as a one year coach.
No my opinion is maybe Hobbs has a big name coach in waiting and if so great but if not I would rather roll the dice for next season with Jordan. Firing him in 2017 is no different than firing him in 2016.
Other than wasting one more year with a coach that can't teach defense and has no future. Let's get on with it
Exactly
We are marginally better next year, then what?
Contract extension?
Another "1 more year and see what happens?"
Just do it now
Hire Sendek
I think folks are unduly optimistic regarding Sendek's interest in RU. He coached well at two places that were supportive of the basketball program, and in the case of NC State - extremely supportive. If Sendek has options, and I believe he will, it will be extremely difficult to persuade him to come to RU. Now Hobbs may have the financial backing to convince Sendek that RU will support basketball, but my sense is we will not have sufficient funds to pay Sendek, a first rate staff, a substantial recruiting budget, and all the miscellaneous items that would be necessary for legitimate support of the program. With practice facilities being three or more years away I just believe Sendek is highly unlikely to sign on here. Hobbs has strong instincts, but we did not get to be in this mess overnight and I am unaware of any substantial changes that would happen in the near term that would erase decades of monumental neglect.
Do you really think Sendek will be a hot candidate elsewhere? He's not a sexy name. I think Rutgers is the type of job he can get. He won't get a big job after being fired at ASU. He's a lot like Al Skinner, who wound up at Kennesaw State.
He'd be crazy to turn this job down if offered.
It would be worth bringing EJ back just to see the heads explode on this board
Only kidding. I know EJ has to go, as much as I like him as a person and he was my all time favorite RU player. But the reactions to his retention on here would be interesting to say the least.
What does being at outcast at the RAC even mean or why does it matter? They're there to write about a game, not make nice with all the muckety-mucks and suits like you. Should they be throwing boquets at Eddie? You've lost all touch with reality, Mr. Kelley.
Yeah, I know that lots of folks on message boards love to think this. And I know that reporters aren't perfect, or perfectly able to maintain their objectivity. For instance, I was fairly sure that Julie's interaction with Politi, then her decision to hide from him, colored most of what he wrote about her after that, and some of it read biased to me. But overall they are reporters and commentators. While not perfectly objective, they are in the position of reporting on a basketball team that has been a crap storm forever, and worse now, and the recent Flood era that was best characterized by how it slowly and then quickly degraded. So they write about it. And they comment on it. And it ain't pretty. And then fans, particularly the rabid ones, find ways to take it personally and make it more personal than it is.
Luicci got the same thing. For the most part, it's just fan silliness.
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It is hard to understand this kind of comment even from someone who has never competed seriously or coached young people. Are you saying you never have given up on something when the going got tough?. If you are, you are in a very tiny minority of people.
To an outsider it would even appear that you quickly gave up on this team when they started to struggle.
There is a reason that people associated with athletics laud the comments of our former RU player in his final days. "Don't ever give up". Every successful coach emphasizes this point to his/her players for a reason - because it is so difficult to do.
When you are getting hammered in sports and in life, getting discouraged is the natural thing to do. You can quit, get frustrated and ineffective, or continue half-heartedly. I would think you would have the empathy to understand this, even if you haven't experienced it first-hand.
The notion that it is a cinch to just fight on with every ounce of strength you have seems to be a popular theme on this board, making me think lots of posters share the same athletic background, or lack of it.
That is why a group of fans laud Greg Lewis. He his showing the unusual capacity of giving far beyond the normal effort to what is essentially a hopeless cause - knowing that he will receive little or no recognition in return for his effort. That is the stuff that makes a person successful as a human being. It is obvious that lots of people here don't get that either.
I don't mean to sound like I am preaching. I have given up or not given my best effort in many situations. I am never proud of it, but I accept it as part of being a human being.
BK has given more than any other fan on behalf of the RU program. I am trying to understand why you can't at least show some respect for him as a person when you disagree with him.
I can understand if you decide to bash me. I am just another faceless fan on the internet.
I would think he has done enough positive for RU that you could give him some lee-way; but that does not seem to be the case for whatever reason.
I've releatedly said over the years he's a great fan. It's just silly on 118's part to blame the media for the state of the program when they're not the ones coaching or playing or making financial decisions.
This isn't a 2nd grade rec league. The man in charge of the program is being paid handsomely to produce results.
The hope would be a sign of progress in Year 3. I do believe when you start the carousel AND you do it right it is Year 3 that the light should at least be dim at the end of the tunnel.
I am in the minority here. If we go with a new coach I'd prefer another 7-24 1-17 over putting band aids on what we have and trying to make certain people happy. Hypothetically in Year 3 sanders would a senior and Freeman graduated. As a new coach I'd need to be pretty confident that they would be model citizens on and off the court to roll out the red carpet.
I was really happy for the kids that they got the win, but Eddie's coaching, or lack thereof, in the second half was indicative of why he must go. There's no accountability. The RU team essentially treaded water against a bunch of walkons from UM in the second half. Several times RU failed to get back on D giving up easy layups to the Gophers. No timeouts by Eddie, no reprimands, no coaching. It reminded me of the exact opposite that I saw when we played MSU. Izzo called time out more than once against us in the 2nd half when MSU had a big lead and his players were lackadaisical on D. Izzo called out his players and demanded more because that's what good coaches do. I saw nothing like that from Eddie on Saturday - or all year for that matter!
listen they didnt totally give up this year but lets not go overboard on the effort thing either. I saw plenty of lack of effort on rebounding and defense and acceptance of losing. They didnt do anything out of the ordinary with efforts deserving rose petals. They still fought true
No. The score is not the point. A good coach demands accountability whether up by 20 or down by 20. Eddie demands neither. I'm faulting his lack of in-game coaching in both wins and losses. Do you disagree with the lack of accountability I've referenced in Saturday's game? It seemed obvious to me.
It's all swell that Eddie hasn't lost the team, but he's lost a lot of games. That's really the point here.
It's not like the NBA where players are paid and brought in by a GM to play for a franchise. The players came here to play for this coach and should be expected to stand behind him. Not a big deal, nor an important sign. If they didn't, now that would be an important sign. Glad it's not the case, but a few dozen lost games are more significant than a handful of non-lost players (who often look lost on the court).
It's not like the NBA where players are paid and brought in by a GM to play for a franchise. The players came here to play for this coach and should be expected to stand behind him. Not a big deal, nor an important sign. If they didn't, now that would be an important sign. Glad it's not the case, but a few dozen lost games are more significant than a handful of non-lost players (who often look lost on the court).
