...has serious pkaymaking athletes all over the field. Fleck has recruited perfectly for what he wanted to do there.
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It's all those top recruiting classes they've had....
That's the offense that exact OC wanted to do here. We fired him.
They've had very good MAC classes. The best and, as I added, he recruited for his needs. Even out-recruited Flood (which the thread isn't about)1 year or was a spot behind and he's not recruiting for a B1G school.
He also did it on the heels of 2 very bad seasons IIRC. 4-8 then 1-11 (his 1st season).
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A lot of talk on the broadcast about how Fleck has developed WMU into a winner. Main points--over the course of several years, he has: (1) developed/established the culture; (2) developed his own head coaching style based on different bits from other coaches he's worked for (including GS); and (3) recruited locally (only 14 players on the roster from outside the Great Lakes area; most of the roster is from Michigan).
In other words, ALL the things that Ash is trying to do here, among others. Now, that's no guarantee Ash will be successful, but he is going about this the right way. Still, it is going to take time. Fleck was 1-11 his first year. Look at him now.
We are in good hands and I think the future is very bright.
In other words, ALL the things that Ash is trying to do here, among others. Now, that's no guarantee Ash will be successful, but he is going about this the right way. Still, it is going to take time. Fleck was 1-11 his first year. Look at him now.
We are in good hands and I think the future is very bright.
Props to you for being able to listen to Beth Mowins. Had to shut it off. Good summary of what Fleck accomplished in the link below, including his offensive scheme:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/11/19/13577022/pj-fleck-coach-western-michigan-wmu
But not highly ranked classes nationally. People complain we have no talent & claim that's the biggest excuse for losing or not playing well, yet we've had better classes than WMU every year except 2016...
2012 #47, 2.15* (Rutgers #25, 3.26*)
2013 NR in top 100, 2* (Rutgers #44, 2.82*)
2014 #62, 2.5* (Rutgers #58, 2.5*)
2015 #78, 2.22* (Rutgers #54, 2.6*)
2016 #64, 2.33* (Rutgers #78, 2.44*)
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If people arent catching onto what vkj is implying, we ran cirocca outta town after 1 year because we thought he was a terrible OC, now people on this same board are complementing him. In other words dont jump the gun on mehringer, give the guy some time
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Ummmmm theyre playing MAC teams and although theyve beaten 2 B1G teams this year, WMU is loaded with upper classmen that Fleck recruited specifically for his team
Fleck has had the best recruiting class in the conference for IIRC 3 years in a row. And he's not letting up. It's all relative.
Our team would be competitive in the MAC.
But our team plays in the B1G. we don't have much B1G level talent.
Yes but they don't play in the B1G conference. They play in the MAC it's not the same week in week out grind. Their toughest opponents to date are probably Northwestern and Illinois. Not exactly the cream of the crop in the B1G. Plus they're in year 3 of implementing their new offense. We're in year 1 and they completely sucked offensively their 1st two years.
Uh, yeah no. Rutgers wouldn't be DFL, but in the bottom half the MAC. We'd have the best talent in the conference, but...
Exactly, I said this in some other threads, we tried this in 2010 with Captain Kirk WMU's OC and it was a complete failure. Schiano had the right idea, but neither he nor the fan base had the stomach to go through the pains required to change an offense. It was only a failure because we didn't give it enough time to succeed. We are now witnessing history repeating itself with the same fan base.
I don't know about that. I wouldn't consider the MAC any better of a conference then the WAC. However, that is up for debate . New Mexico who we beat currently sits in around 5th place at 7-4 in a 12 team conference. I think if we played a MAC or WAC conference schedule we'd be near the top. Remember it's the weekly grind and depth that eventually kills you in the B1G.
Stuff happens. You just have to accept it. Janarion Grant was playing. His absence was felt the rest of the season when we didn't have him. When UNM played us, their star offensive player and star defensive player was out. Part way through our game, Apodaca, their more experienced QB got crushed with a clavicle injury. My opinion - which of course means squat - if we played a few weeks later, we would've lost.
No clue what DFL means, but we wouldn't be in lower half of conference, imo.
Add 20 or so spots to each of those classes to account for the arrests and busts.
Well, if you're trying to compare vs. Ash. Check Fleck's first year and get back to me. Bye.
B1G records the past 2 years: WMU 2W/2L, RU 1W/15L...I think it's more than just talent.
2 wins this year for WMU vs. B1G teams, 0-2 last year, they played OSU tighter than we did in 2015, we played MSU tighter than they did in 2015.
2 wins this year for WMU vs. B1G teams, 0-2 last year, they played OSU tighter than we did in 2015, we played MSU tighter than they did in 2015.
Um, no. I'm debunking the myth that it's just terrible talent. Coaches win with less talent than we have.
Gotcha, although WMU has more talent than we currently do, especially with the injuries.
We may had better classes but how many players are still here? Look at the top 10 from each class. It's ugly, Barnwell, Ayers, Nelson, Gopre, Ford, etc. all top recruits. Take away those players and I bet WMU has more star talent and much more actual talent.
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If they beat Penn State in the Cotton Bowl,they'll be the only undefeated team in B1G games this season.
Okay I think some may be missing my point. Forget about Flood and our classes. Forget about B1G vs MAC. My point is the following:
2010 (class not listed in top 100) 6-6
2011 (class not listed in top 100) 7-6
2012 (class not listed in top 100) 4-8
2013 (class not listed in top 100) 1-11 (Fleck's 1st season)
2014 62nd; 8-5
2015 78th; 8-5
2016 12-0 (class currently 42nd)
...this program was on its way down then hit rock-bottom in PJ's 1st season, however, he had already begun recruiting for HIS system, to fit HIS program, THEN BAMM! he started to turn things around. It DOES NOT matter what level, or conference, he has done this in/at, the point is that he did it when all was lost in a program, and he did it DESPITE an absolute SHIT first season, because he sold kids on a dream, on a vision, and DID NOT waiver from it.
That's all, good night, LET'S GO RU!
NUTS
p.s. - i hope that makes sense and helps!
2010 (class not listed in top 100) 6-6
2011 (class not listed in top 100) 7-6
2012 (class not listed in top 100) 4-8
2013 (class not listed in top 100) 1-11 (Fleck's 1st season)
2014 62nd; 8-5
2015 78th; 8-5
2016 12-0 (class currently 42nd)
...this program was on its way down then hit rock-bottom in PJ's 1st season, however, he had already begun recruiting for HIS system, to fit HIS program, THEN BAMM! he started to turn things around. It DOES NOT matter what level, or conference, he has done this in/at, the point is that he did it when all was lost in a program, and he did it DESPITE an absolute SHIT first season, because he sold kids on a dream, on a vision, and DID NOT waiver from it.
That's all, good night, LET'S GO RU!
NUTS
p.s. - i hope that makes sense and helps!
Just pointing out facts. All teams from BE that left for bigger conferences got a dose of reality when every game every week was a battle WMU would get beaten down and get smoked We do not have B1G depth but are working on it. You guys need to look past the prize and look at what it takes to get that prize....we are not there yet. In 2-3 yrs we will have the depth with good recruiting to have the opportunity to get that prize
Every single year when we thought we were good we always had one position group that prevented us from exceeding our expectations. 2006 is the only year that everything clicked for us We had it all for exactly 1 year. We need the depth to have that every year. We were one dropped pass by Townsend...one bad fumble call on Slaton from going to BCS. Forget Cincy game they lost focus from Louisville game
People nred to realize that Chris Ash is playing a lot of younger guys and taking his lumps which will Reap rewards neXT year and beyond. He is actually developing his younger guys which NEVER occurred under Schiano or Flood. I'm really down about this year but very excited for future
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Western Michigan beat Northwestern this year a team that will most likely finish 5-4 in the Big Ten with wins over Michigan State and Iowa. Northwestern's 4 loses in the B1G were to Ohio State (24-20), Nebraska (24-13), Wisconsin (21-7), Minnesota (29-12). There's no basis to your claim that Western Michigan would get blown out in the B1G this year.
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