Women's basketball attendance growing nationally
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I've noticed this as I've looked at box scores this season. Perhaps UConn appearing to be human rather than supernatural has something to do with it. At least now there is some suspense about how the season will turn out.
I hope that RU's AD looks into what other schools are doing to boost their attendance at women's games. RU used to do so much better at the gate than we have over the past 6-8 years, especially on weekends.
I hope that RU's AD looks into what other schools are doing to boost their attendance at women's games. RU used to do so much better at the gate than we have over the past 6-8 years, especially on weekends.
The old double headers with the men were awesome.
I think the real issue has been the play and the finish. And frankly the overall state of Rutgers sports.
I'm really excited again as both teams are generating pride and solid play.
I haven't been to a women's game in years. I was going to the Mary game with or without the free tix.
do you feel the same in spending that amount on mens basketball tickets and could the price keep the RAC from being sold out for all the mens games.
( just being fictitious, no need to answer)
But in my opinion, might help to have some seats
at a lesser amount for both Men and Women's games , trying to build attendance and a bigger fan-base that will attend the games fairly constantly.
The key is having a head coach that actively promotes the program. Our coach does little to build a fan base. She acts as if it is above her. Look what Pikiell and Goodale have done. They are willing to go out of their way to build a loyal and regular fans base. CVS can't live on the sell outs that existed years ago. Promoting a program is a constant if we want to increase attendance.
Did you just copy this post from the last several years??
It is similar to what I have posted in the past. The coach does not promote the program. As a result, attendance remains low. Give it a try. I bet it works. I believe that she thinks her successful record as a coach means she does not need to promote the program. If true, what hubris she displays.
It is similar to what I have posted in the past. The coach does not promote the program. As a result, attendance remains low. Give it a try. I bet it works. I believe that she thinks her successful record as a coach means she does not need to promote the program. If true, what hubris she displays.
if the men had the same record as women they would have pretty full attendance
the truth is womens basketball does not have demand...RU attendence, I am not sure the figures this year but have been generally in decline from the 2000s decade and of course the 80s/90s crowds as well
there are a lot more seats to sell for women than man so not sure why we are bringing up mens
are the men averaging 1500-2K
i mean I see you guys are trying to somehow claim that womens hoops is equal to mens in interest for some reason, not sure if its just to tweek me but that is probably one of the reasons
Sadly football drives the bus - down year in that effects all spirit of RU faithful and general fans
That’s not what I am saying
I’m suggesting maybe both are overpriced a bit.
Isn’t it sad the men usually have about 5K or so at games?
Would cheaper tix for certain games help attendance for the men?
At least until we have a more consistent product to sell?
No not just to piss you off, just pointing out the prices and poor attendances for both programs.
Most WBB programs don't have the type of attendance MBB programs do and comparing them either way wouldn't be fair.
But pointing out the possibility of lowering ticket prices for both programs in an effort to increase attendance might be a fair solution to getting more seats filled for both programs
check out pages 5 – 6 & 7 to see poor attendance for the women's game isn’t a problem just Rutgers has
seems like some might think the Rutgers WBB attendance problem is not shared with many other WBB programs .
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2019/Attendance.pdf
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$20 for a women’s college basketball game is retarded...heck $20 for a WNBA game would seem excessive...
If so, then both women's college and the WNBA should just stop playing, no?
I'm sorry, but while I am sure some cheaper prices might marginally increase attendance at Rutgers, in general the interest isn't widespread. The few (in the cosmic scheme of things) women's college programs that are well attended have had on-going, generally consistent success (note - our attendance was higher when that applied to Rutgers), have (sometimes) tied going to women's games to other options - whether it is virtually free women's tix with your men's ticket license or (for students) a chance at attending a bowl game if you show up and cheer on the women (and I've seen both), or sometimes, not having a fickle fan base with a lot of other options - see Ames, Iowa for one.
As to the nonsense above about Vivian not promoting the program -
- What event has she not attended that Rutgers asked her attend to promote the program?
- She has been at Rutgers over 20 years. Realistically - if we couldn't interest folks in 20 years, you think we can do it now?
- And more generally, what (exactly) would you like her to do to "promote the program" When she first came to Rutgers and was trying to build a fan base, I remember her at numerous Cager's Club meetings, a bunch of events and generally preaching the need to attract and get fannies in the seats. What exactly (at this point in time) is she supposed to be doing?
Thanks Doug
I was gonna reply to this same trite comment that comes up every year. Vivian does more to promote Women’s basketball in general and Rutgers in particular than most coaches. Her HOF status gets her exposure and she helps the cause. As you said, what has she not done that she should be doing.
Below are a few examples of what she should be doing. Pikiell and Goodale are doing many of these things. There have been years when men's basketball and wrestling played before sparse crowds. This is no longer the case as these two coaches actively promote and fundraise for Rutgers.
It is not about what CVS did 20 years ago. It is about what she is not doing now.
Do local clinics for youth, speak at high school coaches associations, speak at women's basketball award dinners, volunteer to speak at university fundraising events, be positive and excited to speak when university asks her to, initiate media interviews, participate in summer RU events at the Jersey shore, do charity events with organizations like Embrace Kids, meet with students in dorms, sororities, fraternities, give out sandwiches to students from food trucks, be visible at campus events, attend gymnastic meets and men's basketball games, be enthusiastic, demonstrate pride in Rutgers, as a coach with one of the longest tenures at Rutgers be a leader among her follow coaches
I'm not going to get into an argument - but you really think that any of these are Viv's strong suit? Really - you've never attended a Vivian speech? I love CVS and I have enjoyed every speech I have attended, but this sort of thing is not in her wheelhouse. Nor is it her job to set up the opportunities - but it is her job to enthusiastically attend any that are set up.
We've gone through the student thing before - many times, by the way. And I don't think that meeting the 70ish CVS is more beneficial than having team members meet and address them, which has been tried.
The chance of getting huge crowds to RU women's basketball is very slim, I don't care who the coach is. Unless Rutgers becomes one of the top programs in the country - and when we were, it still wasn't the greatest crowd. Take a look at the schools with really good attendance - reflect on location, competition from other events, success of the program, condition of the facilities, etc, etc. As well as the support (and not constant criticism) from the local media.
I agree with you. CVS doesn't have the qualities currently expected of a head college coach of a revenue sport. So way pay her more than most other women's basketball coaches when we have a deficit ridden athletic department and women's basketball is losing tons of money. If the chances of getting huge crowds for any other sport were slim, would we pay a hall of fame coach $3.4 million for 4 years plus potential for $690,000 in bonus compensation? Highly unlikely ! No doubt that CVS may retire with more allocades that most Rutgers coaches. That doesn't mean that she or anyone else should continued to be paid compensation well above her current contribution.
RU used to have very good crowds..that dropped off when the quality of play declined in the late 2000s and the ticket prices also started going up. We always had decent crowds especially on weekends.
She is involved in many of these things already. And as much as I enjoy Coach Pikiell and Coach Goodale, I don’t believe either of them is doing so much more than CVS. Today for example, she is participating in Women in Sports Day with an additional event Scheduled for later this year.
https://scarletknights.com/news/201...irls-and-women-in-sports-day-in-february.aspx
She took the forefront when the Alabama High School Sports Association suspended Maori Davenport for a ridiculous violation.
She participated in the video promoting the new APC next to the RAC
As well as the B1G tour events at the shore during the summer.
She consistently meets with youth groups and kids after games. Sorry just can’t agree with your premise.
After reading some of the comments in this thread:
Next complaint is CVS is the cause that tickets are $20 .
Over the years Vivian Stringer has fought to fund the RU WBB program better.
She has gone out of her way ( as pointed out by others in this thread) to make the RU WBB worth respecting and she has done all she could to help her players.
So I'll just state C.Vivian Stringer is a credit to Rutgers University for the way she represents it and the RU WBB program everywhere she goes and appearances she makes as a representative of Rutgers or just a personal appearance at an event not related to Rutgers.
That said, I believe anything said in support of CVS will not convince those who just want to look for things to complain about her about and use any fault ( real or imaginary) they think the RU WBB program has, in an effort to put Vivian down.
That has been going on for years and those years include when RU WBB was one of the best.
END OF RANT :boxing::mad::p
Next complaint is CVS is the cause that tickets are $20 .
Over the years Vivian Stringer has fought to fund the RU WBB program better.
She has gone out of her way ( as pointed out by others in this thread) to make the RU WBB worth respecting and she has done all she could to help her players.
So I'll just state C.Vivian Stringer is a credit to Rutgers University for the way she represents it and the RU WBB program everywhere she goes and appearances she makes as a representative of Rutgers or just a personal appearance at an event not related to Rutgers.
That said, I believe anything said in support of CVS will not convince those who just want to look for things to complain about her about and use any fault ( real or imaginary) they think the RU WBB program has, in an effort to put Vivian down.
That has been going on for years and those years include when RU WBB was one of the best.
END OF RANT :boxing::mad::p
Check out the FACTS provided by the NCAA. While I respect everyone's opinion, we can't ignore the facts.
In the last 8 years, Rutgers Women's Basketball has finished in the top 50 in home attendance only once. In 2011, we were 39th in home attendance. In all other years, we were not in the TOP 50 in attendance. On a national basis, women's basketball attendance has been increasing with 2018 being an all time high.
It is clear that other schools are achieving attendance records and we can't break the top 50. Does any of this steady decline fall on CVS ? Will CVS accept any responsibility for declining attendance and declining revenues?
For a comparison, look at women's gymnastics and the growth of our attendance and fan base. At Rutgers, women's sports can draw enthusiastic fans. It is not a gender issue.
By the way, I probably have attended more women's basketball games and gymnastic's meets than most other posters. We can't continue to be pollyannaish and bury our heads in the sand.
In the last 8 years, Rutgers Women's Basketball has finished in the top 50 in home attendance only once. In 2011, we were 39th in home attendance. In all other years, we were not in the TOP 50 in attendance. On a national basis, women's basketball attendance has been increasing with 2018 being an all time high.
It is clear that other schools are achieving attendance records and we can't break the top 50. Does any of this steady decline fall on CVS ? Will CVS accept any responsibility for declining attendance and declining revenues?
For a comparison, look at women's gymnastics and the growth of our attendance and fan base. At Rutgers, women's sports can draw enthusiastic fans. It is not a gender issue.
By the way, I probably have attended more women's basketball games and gymnastic's meets than most other posters. We can't continue to be pollyannaish and bury our heads in the sand.
I would assume the prices are that high to help pay for the cost of her salary...yes not directly but it all adds up.
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ticket cost for attending any RU sport helps in a small or large way pay the coaching staff's salary.
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