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There's a lot of mealy-mouthed language I'm reading that seems to suggest paying money to attract recruits, but I don't see it outright being said.

Let me help you with that: No. No matter how many paragraphs you write: No. No matter how many vague references you make to people you know who expect or want it: No. No matter how much you think it's necessary: No.

I'm happy to hear that I'm reading these suggestions wrong. But I won't be the first in this thread to read it that way. And in the meantime: No.
 
There's a lot of mealy-mouthed language I'm reading that seems to suggest paying money to attract recruits, but I don't see it outright being said.

Let me help you with that: No. No matter how many paragraphs you write: No. No matter how many vague references you make to people you know who expect or want it: No. No matter how much you think it's necessary: No.

I'm happy to hear that I'm reading these suggestions wrong. But I won't be the first in this thread to read it that way. And in the meantime: No.

You don't need to pay recruits necessarily, but a $10,000 donation to an AAU program can do the trick.
 
Don't confuse the two items....Hobbs didn't even acknowledge Sendek or others, which is a red flag for me and others that I communicate with as well....others have commented on how quickly the hire went down, which clearly means or shows he had a clear path in mind and wasn't going to deviate from that. As the job opened, there were more candidates interested than what was posted here, but the end result for me was the right result.....

Fair enough, but if the right result was obtained, does it really matter what the path was? Maybe Hobbs knew or feared that if he waited to "acknowledge" other possibilities, someone else would swoop in and hire Pikiell? I'm sure that guys like Sendek were considered/discussed and if they were not contacted (and I don't think you or anyone else here knows for sure) there was a good reason for it. This was undoubtedly in progress for a long time, not a spur of the moment decision. It's not like Hobbs decided out of the blue to fire Jordan after that last game.
 
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willis here is a real life scenario....

Who perhaps picks up that kid to go to practice or gets them to games.....the AAU coach.....

Who perhaps gets the transportation to and from AAU games locally, showcasing the potential talent of these kids.....the AAU coach......

Who likely foots the bill for 65 double cheeseburgers and 40 orders of fries and drinks when they travel from North Jersey to Neptune, Philly, Brooklyn or Eastern PA.....the AAU coach......

Who likely keeps a borderline kid away from perhaps too many negative influences in that kids neighborhood, by keeping him involved 9 to 10 months of the year after school or in the summer....?? the AAU coach.......

How do smaller schools survive and generate a roster that can build a Stony Brook or find a kid that is underrecruited or not discovered, that suddenly appears on March Madness....the AAU coach........

The AAU coach is a bridge to opportunity for a lot of these kids and they are as responsible for more kids (along with some HS coaches and guidance counselors, teachers and others) for giving kids an opportunity to earn a scholarship to a school....perhaps not all of them land at big time name schools like Rutgers, but all 340+ D1 programs, D2 programs and everywhere else in-between.....

AAU coaches can only generate and play these games with donations and parents contributing time, effort and money to give kids a chance from all walks of life....who participates and funds these programs matters.....who provides the sneakers for these kids, matters....they are wearing sneakers, outfits, shorts, tops and everything funded by sneakers companies....essentially as "free advertising".....

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be, but if you ignore this and understand that in some cases (I'm stressing some cases), there is a one-parent household or a no-parent household.....there is perhaps a grandparent, aunt or uncle or some other family member that cannot afford or take the time out of their work schedule to pay for an elaborate after school program, 8 week summer camp at some posh location that costs 10K, while the parent continues to work.

There are your exceptions where you have kids like David Robinson's son playing at Duke for Coach K and then there is the rest of the free world.....If you don't like my wordy responses, or can't comprehend, then skip over it......
 
Don't confuse the two items....Hobbs didn't even acknowledge Sendek or others, which is a red flag for me and others that I communicate with as well....others have commented on how quickly the hire went down, which clearly means or shows he had a clear path in mind and wasn't going to deviate from that. As the job opened, there were more candidates interested than what was posted here, but the end result for me was the right result.....defensive oriented and focused coach etc....that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with how the process developed, despite the result potentially landing at the same place. If Pikiell doesn't turn the corner next year (.500 or better with a complete roster is my expectation), then it's going to be much more difficult to win in Year Two.

That doesn't mean Pikiell won't succeed, RU as a program, despite others disagreeing with me, is a potential great job and has more upside than any job in the region. It's just not been funded at all or properly and that also really had only one quality HC (Rice) in the last 3 hires.

Eddie did RU a favor, despite his coaching, he essentially restocked a roster with credible athletes, although not elite players across the board. I am excited to see what Pikiell does with the backcourt and size up front and what pieces are kept and added to this spring. This isn't a 7 win program and I would have felt more comfortable with a more experienced coach that has done this twice in Sendek. Hobbs didn't agree and it's his job to make RU successful, not mine. I wouldn't have taken his approach, but the end result at the end of the day is more than fine for me. Cluess would have been an epic disaster.

Regarding recruiting and my comments above, I'm not going to state again what is obvious to everyone in the recruiting circles....schools, sneaker affliations and coaches that are connected to players and families matter.....I don't make the rule, but others are asking for a "recruiting shark or someone connected to NJ", as if it's a popularity contest......you say you want the recruiting to have an upgrade, then stop the charade and join the rest of the B1G, ACC, Big East and whatever other programs do to attract and get talent to RU.

RU doesn't have that reputation like the rest of the free world does, in doing what's required to compete at this level. I'd rather not lie and simplify things by stating that showing up to HS events or AAU events is all it takes to get players at this level or even a smaller conference like the AAC or A-10. Not every player matters but in some cases it certainly does.

As long as RU levels the playing field, RU will be more than successful in growing the brand in both sports....I hear fans complaining about our football uniforms, helmets and other things that ultimately attract the players we want to play here.....I also see mindless things posted about why players received suspensions at RU as if it's a sign of fault of the player, when other schools wouldn't care one bit if a player skipped a class or had another discretion. Only at RU do we comment negatively about things that are on the surface irrelevant and ignore the obvious things necessary to compete.

There are a LOT of positives in place that can make RU successful....as an example, with AC at the RAC, every credible AAU event should be held there each and every summer.....there needs to be a showcase that shows we have eateries near the gym that can accommodate these events now, when before you had to cut over to Piscataway/South Plainfield near Stelton Avenue to have food....dorms are being built, money is pouring into RU left and right....there are a lot of positive changes you can show people, but you can't do that if you have AAU events at Kean, Philly or other places other than RU.

If you can showcase the school and add a practice facility with what will be in place for that 9th or 10th grader today, you have a shot at him when he graduates HS. Get Nike to revamp the uniforms and get some warmups, shoes that can be showcased to the AAU circuit like other schools do.

I'm glad that Hurley passed on the job after looking at what took place in the last week. He didn't show me the confidence necessary not once, but twice to take on the challenge or opportunity. Pikiell did and got a very handsome reward for doing so, with essentially no downside to his career. RU needs to hit the ground running in the next 90 days and if that happens, we'll hear about the difference being made, similar to what we are hearing with Ash, more importantly, Rick Mantz & Kenny Parker....

It's a home run job folks, people can downplay RU behind the scenes if they want to. Pikiell doesn't have a ton of hurdles like Rice and Eddie inherited, so I'm expecting more credible results in recruiting immediately and wins next year as well...just keep the roster intact and go from there. Remember, it's always easier to recruit when you are on an uptick or improving your wins and losses.
Nicely stated Hawk. I too question whether or not Sendek was ever thought of by Hobbs and if so, did he ever reach out to him. He was my first choice because of his proven ability as a program builder. In the end however, I did my own research and realized that Pikiell checks all of the boxes and is the kind of program builder and attention to detail kind of coach that I've been touting throughout what was missing under the EJ regime.

In addition to Pikiell being able to recruit at this higher level, Hobbs CANNOT take the proverbial foot off the gas pedal when it comes to the practice facilities and the RAC renovation. All of that HAS to go hand-in-hand with the hiring of Pikiell.
 
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Invisible, good word choice.

I saw a Rutgers assistant at a HS game in 2015 -- almost by chance.

Most coaches try to be visible at games, but this coach was watching the game while sitting in the concessions area. Looking through a glass window.

Granted, the kid he came to watch knew he was there and knew he was coming. It was just weird to see where he decided to watch the game from. It was as if he did not want anyone, other than the kid he came to watch, to know he was there.

Also I almost didn't realize he was a college coach. The red R on his shirt was pretty small. I just happened to notice it, probably because my name starts with the letter R.

Last night one person, with first hand knowledge, told me that Coach Jordan's staff did not like to go out on the road to recruit. Based on my one encounter, I believe him.
Great anecdote. There are aspects of all jobs that are unpleasant. The greats do it anyway and come to like what they weren't good at; eventually they get good and overcome their weakness. The second rates try and dodge what they don't like. When you are getting paid what a major college coach is paid, there is no excuse for dodging any aspect of your job.

That is why CVS should go too. She doesn't seem to like to engaging the fan base and she doesn't do it. She doesn't want to learn modern offensive schemes and she doesn't do it or hire an assistant who can teach her and the players. No excuses for her either, not at what she is getting paid.
 
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willis here is a real life scenario....

Who perhaps picks up that kid to go to practice or gets them to games.....the AAU coach.....

Who perhaps gets the transportation to and from AAU games locally, showcasing the potential talent of these kids.....the AAU coach......

Who likely foots the bill for 65 double cheeseburgers and 40 orders of fries and drinks when they travel from North Jersey to Neptune, Philly, Brooklyn or Eastern PA.....the AAU coach......

Who likely keeps a borderline kid away from perhaps too many negative influences in that kids neighborhood, by keeping him involved 9 to 10 months of the year after school or in the summer....?? the AAU coach.......

How do smaller schools survive and generate a roster that can build a Stony Brook or find a kid that is underrecruited or not discovered, that suddenly appears on March Madness....the AAU coach........

The AAU coach is a bridge to opportunity for a lot of these kids and they are as responsible for more kids (along with some HS coaches and guidance counselors, teachers and others) for giving kids an opportunity to earn a scholarship to a school....perhaps not all of them land at big time name schools like Rutgers, but all 340+ D1 programs, D2 programs and everywhere else in-between.....

AAU coaches can only generate and play these games with donations and parents contributing time, effort and money to give kids a chance from all walks of life....who participates and funds these programs matters.....who provides the sneakers for these kids, matters....they are wearing sneakers, outfits, shorts, tops and everything funded by sneakers companies....essentially as "free advertising".....

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be, but if you ignore this and understand that in some cases (I'm stressing some cases), there is a one-parent household or a no-parent household.....there is perhaps a grandparent, aunt or uncle or some other family member that cannot afford or take the time out of their work schedule to pay for an elaborate after school program, 8 week summer camp at some posh location that costs 10K, while the parent continues to work.

There are your exceptions where you have kids like David Robinson's son playing at Duke for Coach K and then there is the rest of the free world.....If you don't like my wordy responses, or can't comprehend, then skip over it......

More mealy mouthed stuff. And, yes, you could be clearer. But i'm comfortable enough divining what you mean from how uncomfortable you clearly feel about writing it directly. You've mastered the art of circling a subject without addressing it. And, frankly, I'm not sure I get why. You're clearly a watcher of all this, not a participant. So say what you mean.

In the meantime, no. Regardless of which "real life scenario" you want to ramble on about, no.
 
If I might interject. I think the questions/issues here have to do with what sorts of things are being done, what is acceptable but maybe hard to accomplish, and what is clearly against NCAA rules (maybe if everybody does it anyway).

The first question I have, and maybe others, is: Do top rate college teams get kids by offering them/their parents cash? Jameis Winston comes to mind. The report that money was offered to him to go to (I think) Mississippi State is seen as very close to a violation. Is it the case that this happens all the time in basketball, but people somehow have different standards?

Second question is: If not cash, what about a booster offering a parent a job. Hell, when I was being recruited, at a school in a major conference, at a lunch, the HC went to the men's room and while he was there, the two boosters at the lunch offered me a job as a radio announcer and voiceover guy for commercials (I AM mellifluous, but maybe not so much at age 17). Rumor has always been that Jay Williams' mom got a job in NC. Looks like that wasn't true, but it's been the rumour.

Third question is whether there are payoffs to AAU coaches. Never heard much positive about AAU coaches, but have always heard about shady dealings. Does every team still playing basketball pay off AAU coaches to get kids? Is a donation to an AAU program "in the name" of a college by a booster constitute an NCAA violation, or breaking the law? Is Coach K doing this? Izzo? Crean?

I think there is a lot of confusion here. Hawk, you have a bunch of credibility here, so could you take this out of the current RU situation, and talk about what seems to go on in college circles generally? Is there really a very different set of rules for football and basketball?

None of these questions are meant as baiting or trolling or any other internet term that I am unfamiliar with. I just really don't know and would like to know more.

(This is a big ask, and you probably have an actual life, so if you choose to pass, I understand!)
 
AAU teams with top don't rely on donations because they have a Nike/Under Armour/adidas sponsorship that includes uniforms, shoes, gear, tournament entry fees etc. They'll accept a donation but they don't rely on them.

Most hold tryouts and some charge kids to try out. Many hold a one day skills camp and charge most of the kids to participate (this helps them evaluate talent, recruit and supplement their shoe company budget. Some even hold a one day middle school skills camp and charge most of the kids to participate. This helps them recruit and pay the expenses for their 13U, 14U 15U teams.

I'm pretty sure that NCAA by laws prohibit schools from making a donation to an AAU program.
 
AAU teams with top don't rely on donations because they have a Nike/Under Armour/adidas sponsorship that includes uniforms, shoes, gear, tournament entry fees etc. They'll accept a donation but they don't rely on them.

Most hold tryouts and some charge kids to try out. Many hold a one day skills camp and charge most of the kids to participate (this helps them evaluate talent, recruit and supplement their shoe company budget. Some even hold a one day middle school skills camp and charge most of the kids to participate. This helps them recruit and pay the expenses for their 13U, 14U 15U teams.

I'm pretty sure that NCAA by laws prohibit schools from making a donation to an AAU program.

and also prohibit boosters of programs making such payments. That doesnt stop the bagmen from demanding payment though.

I agree 100% with Willis.

NO.
 
and also prohibit boosters of programs making such payments. That doesnt stop the bagmen from demanding payment though.

I agree 100% with Willis.

NO.
A real bagman makes payments. Usually they are quite well off.
 
You can spend 90 hours a week on the road recruiting....but if there is no financial shark-like support to back that effort up, it's not wasted effort, but as close to it as possible. I asked one AAU contact and he essentially said they like Steve and if he makes the "effort", then the results will happen.....kids didn't land at Stony Brook by accident, even at a small time school like that, you still need financial backing from alumni/donors and all corners to have an impact.

I'm shocked that we continue to see this false story-telling when it comes to basketball recruiting, as if showing up solves the problems....this isn't football and frankly, football is starting to look and feel like basketball recruiting on some levels......if it was just showing up, we wouldn't hear the stories about RU having a 9 to 12 month headstart on certain kids and being the first school to offer and then suddenly 3 or 4 other "bigger" schools offer and suddenly RU and other locals fall down on that recruits list of schools to choose from....local schools have been showing up for the last 10-15 years and pretty much have little to show for it, will one huge exception which doesn't warrant repeating that story again.

RU has the right Head Coach and working with slick Calhoun gives me hope that we'll grind and get in front of the kids we need to win. FWIW, Rice also had the connections necessary to generate the results needed a few years ago, except things went off the rails as we are all aware of. RU winning some games next year will generate some indications that things are changing...if the recruiting is supported properly, RU will be on it's way quickly.


Sorry, coaches out of the road watching games and meeting coaches is not a wasted effort under almost any circumstances.

Yes, I agree we have to support recruiting, as you say, but just getting out there is important too.
 
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