I would like to see Syracuse and UConn in the Big Ten
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Their basketball programs are undeniably awesome. They've given up on football though.
I've got family in Connecticut. The only time they ever bring up college football is when I bring it up.
They don't care about UConn football.
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So what if Rutgers is closer to Stamford. The Bulk of UConns alumni are actually located closer to Stamford, too.
So Stop saying taking UConn is going to cost us money when it’s not true. Schiano is going to have more money than he ever dreamed of.
They took Oregon and Washington when they took USC and UCLA. This would be a similar type scenario, where you might take FSU, SU, UConn, and Clemson, especially as UNC could go to the SEC.
They could easily restore their football program in short order.
You’re in California so you don’t understand PSUs impact. They have a ton of alumni in the northeast, especially in NYC and Philadelphia and Eastern Pennsylvania. Most of their alumni live closer to Rutgers than Happy Valley.
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If we played a neutral site game at Giants Stadium they would easily outdraw us, just as they did historically when we played them there. Their alumni are like rats, they’re everywhere.
I’ve come to realize that football success isn’t as important to Rutgers alumni, as it is to Penn State alumni. For example, Our level of NIL Support is nowhere it needs to be. Without that, it will be very difficult to attain competitiveness with Penn State.
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Sure they can. They played in a BCS bowl, while in the Big East. They have excellent football facilities. Lastly, they have boosters willing to buy players on the basketball side. Put them in the Big Ten, and they will do the same for football. With Big Ten membership they would be competitive in 5 years or less.
How could they be competitive in 5 years or less but Schiano needs 6+ and a bunch of free years?
Once the ACC dies Syracuse and UConn (already there) will likely end up being what Temple is to Rutgers now. A regional punching bag and a farm team for bigger/wealthier teams to poach talent.
Booster money might delay the inevitable but once athletes start getting paid they're basically going to be operating at a G5 level.
Like UConn, I'd go all in on basketball if I was Cuse.
The future is bleak.
Booster money might delay the inevitable but once athletes start getting paid they're basically going to be operating at a G5 level.
Like UConn, I'd go all in on basketball if I was Cuse.
The future is bleak.
Of all the crazy ideas that have been posted on this board over the years, this is a contender for the worst. Let's invite teams that won't bring in as much money as the conference currently makes per team, so everyone's share goes down...
- that play within a relatively short distance, making it easier for those schools to recruit against us, which would make it harder for us to get and keep more talent on the roster,
- so we can have local rivalries with two conference mates in football.
- that play within a relatively short distance, making it easier for those schools to recruit against us, which would make it harder for us to get and keep more talent on the roster,
- so we can have local rivalries with two conference mates in football.
And that's what Rutgers fans really want Cuse and Connie to become, just another version of Temple. A punching bag opponent for Game 1 or 2 in the season, not an equal.
If the financials made sense, I wouldn't care.
I'm not worried about recruiting because I don't think it's just "Big Ten" that is our advantage over them.
It helps but isn't some silver bullet.
Even in the same conference we should still be ahead of them.
But the financials won't work.
Note: that is why Rutgers was never a "risk" to the Big Ten. Because these exact same conversations occurred and the financials DID work.
I'm not worried about recruiting because I don't think it's just "Big Ten" that is our advantage over them.
It helps but isn't some silver bullet.
Even in the same conference we should still be ahead of them.
But the financials won't work.
Note: that is why Rutgers was never a "risk" to the Big Ten. Because these exact same conversations occurred and the financials DID work.
B1G schools would vote it down anyway. Only a handful of schools would be allowed in the B1G at this point (UNC, FSU, ND, maybe UVA). Connie and Cuse ain't on the list.Of all the crazy ideas that have been posted on this board over the years, this is a contender for the worst. Let's invite teams that won't bring in as much money as the conference currently makes per team, so everyone's share goes down...
- that play within a relatively short distance, making it easier for those schools to recruit against us, which would make it harder for us to get and keep more talent on the roster,
- so we can have local rivalries with two conference mates in football.
Funny thing is we COULD play both as rivals while making sure they stay in worse conferences than us (think UGA/GT, Washington/WSU, Oregon/Oregon State, Kentucky/Louisville, Iowa/ISU). I wouldn't be opposed to being Big Brother to either. Hard no on them joining the B1G though.
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Fair enough. So you would ok with it IF the Financials work. As long as their Marginal Revenue = Marginal Cost, the financials could work. We had a 7 year buy on period where we started with our big east amount, which was gradually increased. Syracuse and UConn could start with their respective amounts, which would be gradually increased over time. Washington and Oregon have the same phase in situation, but can’t remember the financials. Whereas USC and UCLA are full members because they bring in the LA market to the table.
Correct. Connecticut is a big college basketball and college hockey state. Football not even on their radar.
Our rival is PSU, It could change over time but as a student, the only team anyone actually has a hatred for among the student body is Penn State. They may not think about Rutgers yet... but wait till 2025.
Put UConn in the Big Ten and Football will be on their radar in a big way. They already proved to be competitive in the Big East and they have the booster support to build a competitive program in the Big Ten. Their football operations building and practice facility was fully funded by a single donor in the aughts.
We deserve to have a rivalry, something we will never have with other Big Ten programs, for various reasons, I’ve already pointed out.
Come on! Be serious! We show up to the game and Penn State beats our @ss. What kind of rivalry is that!!! Just because the student body chants F PSU, doesn’t make it a rivalry.
We’ve only beaten Penn State TWICE in our entire history. We need a football practice facility and we need people to seriously pony up NIL for us to even have a chance to be competitive with PSU. For now, Penn State is unrivaled.
If we ever build a Fieldhouse, we’ll be far superior to all the other conference teams, and hence won’t have any peers or rivals either, just for opposite reasons. Ain’t that right Fieldhouse Al ?
It will be great. It will be a glorious Fieldhouse with a hundred foot gilded statue of Schiano holding a giant axe. The statue will be so shiny it will be visible from space and require double-thick solar eclipse glasses in order to safely look at it.
Fieldhouse Al nailed it. Can’t happen soon enough.
It will be great. It will be a glorious Fieldhouse with a hundred foot gilded statue of Schiano holding a giant axe. The statue will be so shiny it will be visible from space and require double-thick solar eclipse glasses in order to safely look at it.
Fieldhouse Al nailed it. Can’t happen soon enough.
I’m happy to continue to kick all the OBE crap team’s asses OOC or in a bowl. Giving them a lifeline/money that comes with B1G - no f’n way. Even if they were worthy, and they most definitely are not - it is a stupid, stupid idea for RU.
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This is the correct answer.
Like I said earlier, invite them to dinner or a member/guest day.
But that’s it. You’re not in the club and never will be.
Exactly. RU is undefeated vs old BE teams under Schiano and that's because we are in a superior conference to them. If Cuse/UConn want to be the Iowa State to our Iowa in a crappier conference, fine...but they're NEVER allowed in the B1G on our watch.
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Until RU can compete on an even level with PSU and are a threat to win when the teams meet, no rivalry should be proclaimed .
Right now Rutgers playing Maryland is the closest to a rivalry game , but the desire for it to be one isn't there for both fanbases.
Can't say who the Turtle fans consider their rival, but RU fans act like the Nits are the rivale even though RU hasn't proved to be one, YET.
Syracuse and UConn once were, but times change and my feeling is that the best way to look at being rivals with them again is
We can play both as out of conference teams. We don’t make the decision whether they can join the Big Ten. The decision makers don’t want them since they just reduce the revenue of the current members. No way they bring in additional revenue.
You don’t seem to understand the value of rivalries, which is what drives college football.Of all the crazy ideas that have been posted on this board over the years, this is a contender for the worst. Let's invite teams that won't bring in as much money as the conference currently makes per team, so everyone's share goes down...
- that play within a relatively short distance, making it easier for those schools to recruit against us, which would make it harder for us to get and keep more talent on the roster,
- so we can have local rivalries with two conference mates in football.
This would give us a number of games we can easily travel to each year. I would absolutely prefer going to Syracuse and UConn, rather than Purdue, Minnesota, and similar. These games are more geographically relevant, cheaper to travel to, and more fun overall to watch.
Playing these teams benefits us more than it hurts us. Most of our recruiting class is from out of state anyways.
They would not get full shares but would be brought on gradually, just like we were. This ensures that they earn their keep and no ones share goes down. Rutgers could be in a geographically relevant pod with UConn, SU, Maryland, and PSU.
Fair point. The Rent should be on every college football fan’s bucket list.
Not long ago it was an unimaginable fantasy for RU to be a Big10 program. Things change. Today Cuse and UConn aren’t good candidates for a lifeboat but the future always holds surprises.
It's just all perspective. Those PSU people in NYC, Philly, Eastern PA are all potential RU alums. Rutgers offers something major for them that PSU doesn't, the ability to actually attend a game.You’re in California so you don’t understand PSUs impact. They have a ton of alumni in the northeast, especially in NYC and Philadelphia and Eastern Pennsylvania. Most of their alumni live closer to Rutgers than Happy Valley.
The Texas Arizona Bar, in Hoboken, used to host Rutgers games, but decided to host Penn State Games because they’re more profitable.
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If we played a neutral site game at Giants Stadium they would easily outdraw us, just as they did historically when we played them there. Their alumni are like rats, they’re everywhere.
I’ve come to realize that football success isn’t as important to Rutgers alumni, as it is to Penn State alumni. For example, Our level of NIL Support is nowhere it needs to be. Without that, it will be very difficult to attain competitiveness with Penn State.
I've seen it before, and I'll see it again. When RU is winning and relevant, they are the #1 show in town. It takes years to get there, but we'll get there.
Just saw it a couple years ago with Dodgers and Padres in San Diego. Dodger fans everywhere, bigger brand, more wins, casuals love their logo. I can't tell you how many people jumped shipped and joined the Padres bandwagon when things started to shift. This is the way it goes.
Rutgers will beat Penn State in the next game we play, and you'll start to see a change.
If “rivalries” drive college athletics, then should we leave the Big Ten for the AAC or ACC?
I mean - why not go join Syracuse over there then. Plus BC.
Or AAC and join local Temple.
@rutgersal Did AD Pernetti make a mistake accepting the Big Ten offer and putting us in a conference without “local rivals”?
I mean - why not go join Syracuse over there then. Plus BC.
Or AAC and join local Temple.
@rutgersal Did AD Pernetti make a mistake accepting the Big Ten offer and putting us in a conference without “local rivals”?
As said, giving the fruit and Uconn membership affords them a huge increase in $$$. That gives them ammo to build their programs and compete with us. Compete with us and then compete for our recruits. Al, you said we don't recruit much in NJ anyway. Guess where we recruit?? In NY and CT (somewhat). Guess what schools reside there and will get more of those recruits? Third, from the desk of the B1G commissioner: "Hmm, admit nationally branded Florida State, UNC, etc. To the B1G or take Syracuse/UConn to help Rutgers gain some territorial rivals? All three of these reasons , plus many more, make this another inane suggestion from you.
While not the big house, the horseshoe, or happy valley, The Rent and the Dome are actually great places to watch football games, and certainly easier to travel to.
We competed with those programs in the Big East. We’ll compete with those programs in the Big Ten. It’s not like big ten membership gives them a leg up on us. If we can’t compete with a Big Ten SU or UConn then we’ve got big problems. These programs would be added in conjunction with others when the time is right.
