which is BS because they showed they were turning it around. and to have official decisions based on reg season only and nothing with the conf tourney is laughable for them to present as the guidelines.No …it’s your team going into the tournament
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which is BS because they showed they were turning it around. and to have official decisions based on reg season only and nothing with the conf tourney is laughable for them to present as the guidelines.No …it’s your team going into the tournament
That may be true but it is a lousy principle to use for selection.How hard is it to understand how bad Q3 losses are? You can’t have that many unless your quality wins are significant. Last year we got the benefit of the doubt and we’re an outlier profile to get in.
Why do you think so?That may be true but it is a lousy principle to use for selection.
Yeah we were 70. Oklahoma state aheadDo we know where we finished? How far out? Do they release that info
As I write in another thread, is you are selecting a field to compete for championships you want to select first, champions, and second teams that show evidence of being able to compete for championships. In other words, you want high ceiling teams rather than low floor teams. The various metrics will punish teams who truly lose too much.Why do you think so?
Good luck in the tourney, you guys are on a hell of a run despite coming up a little short todayNC State being in is a screwjob to sanity.
Them over you guys is pretty embarrassing for the committee. Nobody can defend that with a straight face.
That's fair. But other than getting Simpson reps, not sure what benefit there is for the program. It would be horrible if any significant returning players (Cliff. Paul--I hope), Cam, Simpson, Woolfolk, yeh Hyatt, etc get seriously injured playing in the NIT.Let the players decide.
It seems like they did have enough of those wins. Am I wrong? 4 Q1s (including against #1 and high ranked indiana on road) vs 1 Q1 total which was against a team (duke) who was still in their not-such-a-good team-yet portion of the season. If they want to use full body of work, pull out the top victory vs purdue and bad loss vs minn and we still show better than ncst/nevada id say.How hard is it to understand how bad Q3 losses are? You can’t have that many unless your quality wins are significant. Last year we got the benefit of the doubt and we’re an outlier profile to get in.
You R crazy fella. RU should gladly accept the NIT bid as young as we are. Hell if some of the seniors don't want to play wish them luck and let's get it!Say no to NIT
Ouch.Yeah we were 70. Oklahoma state ahead
You R crazy fella. RU should gladly accept the NIT bid as young as we are. Hell if some of the seniors don't want to play wish them luck and let's get it!
Pike has already confirmed we are playingYou R crazy fella. RU should gladly accept the NIT bid as young as we are. Hell if some of the seniors don't want to play wish them luck and let's get it!
Young players? You mean Simpson and Woolfolk. Choi isn't going to play, Miller should be transferring...not worth it imo, But yeh if the team wants to then sure, as I have agreed.You R crazy fella. RU should gladly accept the NIT bid as young as we are. Hell if some of the seniors don't want to play wish them luck and let's get it!
That's fair. But other than getting Simpson reps, not sure what benefit there is for the program. It would be horrible if any significant returning players (Cliff. Paul--I hope), Cam, Simpson, Woolfolk, yeh Hyatt, etc get seriously injured playing in the NIT.Let the players decide.
@RUsojo . YouR thoughts re my reply?As I write in another thread, is you are selecting a field to compete for championships you want to select first, champions, and second teams that show evidence of being able to compete for championships. In other words, you want high ceiling teams rather than low floor teams. The various metrics will punish teams who truly lose too much.
The emphasis on consistency reminds me of college football, where it is all about not losing. It is unattractive and not good for the sport.
With these in mind, selection should embrace body of work as well as anticipated ability to compete now, which does have some recency bias and requires paying attention in conference tourneys.
And OOC SOS should only be available as a helpful not handful metric of overall sos is low, so you are not overly punished for a weak conference if you schedule up.
BTW, If you lose by 20 in your conference final, you shouldn't be a 1 seed. But that's another story for another day.
Agree and with ucla coming on board it's only going to get harder if you are the 9th B1G team looking to get in.Disagree. I think the Big Ten lost a lot of credibility last year in the tournament and getting more than 8 in this year was a stretch. In retrospect Penn states resurgence came at our expense
I understand the perspective and think body of work is and has been considered.@RUsojo . YouR thoughts re my reply?
When it’s your only high Q1 win it’s not enough to offset so many bad losses.
Curious how your bracket rated compared to years past?
I understand the perspective and think body of work is and has been considered.
Ultimately I think what matters is what the Committee took into consideration which is high Q1 wins (high ceiling potential), bad losses, road/neutral record, and non conf sos.
That accomplishes what you’re seeking imo
Reality is close wins and losses against non-high Q1 and Q2 games for teams in that bucket don’t tell you anything about the team. Each team is typically expected to win 4 or 5 out of 10 times.
You need the high Q1 and Q3 games to tell you who a team is and if they are worthy.
True Man's MathAgree and with ucla coming on board it's only going to get harder if you are the 9th B1G team looking to get in.
Wrong Man's Math.Rutgers SOS was 41 probably higher than the nubs who got in over us. OOC SOS should be irrelevant really. Overall should only matter. Weighting OOC SOS counts the minority games as more important which is beyond stupid
What ever happened to Q1 wins being the most important factor?
yeah. If they're going to put this multiplier/handicap on rating the OOC SOS then I think there should be an equivalent multiplier/handicap for Conference SOS. So if you play in toughest conference (just general example) you shouldnt get dinged for missing out on some victories compared to a much lower conference who plays consistently against lower level tiered teams. and if you dont want to evaluate that way then just use the overall SOS.Rutgers SOS was 41 probably higher than the nubs who got in over us. OOC SOS should be irrelevant really. Overall should only matter. Weighting OOC SOS counts the minority games as more important which is beyond stupid
What ever happened to Q1 wins being the most important factor?
Those 3 wins would be our 2nd 3rd and 4th best winsNevada has nothing but a split with top 3 in MW and no road wins
Ru has 3 wins vs big ten top 3 by the way
Nevadas does. Nc State has one and didn’t need to offset any losses.Do nevada
Do ncstate
What? They'd be our 3rd, 8th and 9th best wins.Those 3 wins would be our 2nd 3rd and 4th best wins
SDSU Utah St and Boise St are higher in NET than every big team but Purdue.What? They'd be our 3rd, 8th and 9th best wins.
Those 3 wins would be our 2nd 3rd and 4th best wins
SDSU Utah St and Boise St are higher in NET than every big team but Purdue.
Good example here of over valuing Rutgers Q1 wins.
Great example of the one-sided use of the injury discussion pointingLol beating Boise isnt better than beating Indiana. Beating Utah State isnt better than winning at Northwestern
Ok go by kenpom and they would be our 2nd and 3rd bestLol net...you are looking at net
Rutgers 40
Pitt 66
Asu 65
Providence 5?
Where are you MW schools seeded and where are big 10 schools seeded
Great example of the one-sided use of the injury discussion pointing into to our best non-Purdue win as an Indiana team without their 2nd best player.
Make up your mind lolMaryland