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In defense of Cuomo and Trump, politicians have forever prioritized near term items over theoretical risks. To expect New York to spend almost $600 million on ventilators, just in case, is nothing more than monday morning quarterbacking...just like asking why the federal government doesn't have enough.
If we prepare for nuclear war, asteroid strikes, alien invasions and every other potential risk we'll end up spending all our collective resources on unproductive assets 98% of the time.
but why can normal people realize there is a middle ground...like funding a task force to deal with stuff like this. that would seem pretty smart right? and I guarantee this will happen after this is over.
It's much easier being prepared for something you've seen then something that has happened in the distant past (generations ago).but why can normal people realize there is a middle ground...like funding a task force to deal with stuff like this. that would seem pretty smart right? and I guarantee this will happen after this is over.
comparing being *more* prepared for situations like this vs preparing for an asteroid strike or alien invasion is faulty logic of the worst kind. public health officials have been saying stuff like this was going to happen for a while. and it will happen again...are you saying that you would be fine to be just as prepared the next go around?
I do agree with your first statement...its the same issue a CEO has managing a company Q to Q vs. long term...it's a challenge for sure. but I think your last part is hyperbole and not practical...and not what any reasonable person would expect anyway.
It's much easier being prepared for something you've seen then something that has happened in the distant past (generations ago).
Except it wasn't generations ago. The federal government initiated preparation plans after the Ebola epidemic in Africa in anticipation of a larger scale epidemic that could hit the US, complete with mock pandemic exercises across branches of government, playbooks on how to coordinate across silos and partner with private industry, timelines of when to ramp up production of PPE/tests/equipment, etc. The government learned from the Ebola event and prepared itself so that it wouldn't be flatfooted when a pandemic hit our shores, and they put an entire system of mechanisms in place for a future administration to follow
All they had to do was maintain the structures put in place and follow the script.
You make zero sense here. He should wait until he doesn’t have enough to complaint? Are you watching the news? The number of infected are not increasing in linear fashion.cuomo got caught off guard yesterday. A reporter actually asked him a tough question and he stumbled. Basically admitted he has enough ventilators for the moment and has a bunch sitting in a warehouse. His complaining wasn’t warranted for the moment . He Said he wants them for peak. This could be true but he never said that while complaining which implies he doesn’t have enough for the moment. THIS IS THE STUFF THAT CAUSES UNNECESSARY PANIC!!! People thinking they are going to go to hospital and die...
So cdc ignored all of this? I can’t imagine they had it and said screw it let’s not do any of this. Would be helpful to see the document as well...
You make zero sense here. He should wait until he doesn’t have enough to complaint? Are you watching the news? The number of infected are not increasing in linear fashion.
It was published by Vox a couple days ago. The executive branch team that was supposed to coordinate all of this was let go last year. The administration has been running largely off book, with experts like Fauci having constantly correct and contradict communications coming out of the White House.
I bold the relevant part for you. That’s great if you don’t think the numbers are going down. But the fact is, the worst is expected to come in the next 2 weeks. I’m happy we have enough for right now but Cuomo is planning ahead like a leader should.No cuomo has been talking about not having enough ventilators for days. Which turns out to be a lie. He has enough ventilators and currently has a couple thousand sitting in storage... so people are panicking thinking they are going to die on the hospital floor which right now is 100% not true! Talking like this is why people are scared and panicked and overwhelming hospitals. They think if they wait to long before going they are not going to get the proper care which again is bs.
When Dr. Birx set the record straight and told everyone that New York has enough for right now a reporter finally asked cuomo about it and cuomo said he doesn’t have enough for the peak... He had to cover his a**.
the number of infected are going up because we are testing more and more people everyday. we know that the majority of people will experience mild symptoms some people will never even know they had it therefor do not take up an icu bed or ventilators..... this is a good thing.
We are learning more and more by the day but most importantly we are learning that you should not panic, that you will get the proper care you deserve and for the overwhelming majority of people this is not deadly...
I bold the relevant part for you. That’s great if you don’t think the numbers are going down. But the fact is, the worst is expected to come in the next 2 weeks. I’m happy we have enough for right now but Cuomo is planning ahead like a leader should.
I guess Trump is over reacting by using the defense production act ordering GM to build ventilators. We have enough right now. Just stop. You know what’s coming or maybe you don’t.Agreed but tell the truth... say we have enough ventilators for now but we need more to match the expected demand. I am ok with him pushing for more but be honest... telling people we don’t have enough makes it seem like we are in worse shape than we are.
I guess Trump is over reacting by using the defense production act ordering GM to build ventilators. We have enough right now. Just stop. You know what’s coming or maybe you don’t.
It was published by Vox a couple days ago. The executive branch team that was supposed to coordinate all of this was let go last year. The administration has been running largely off book, with experts like Fauci having constantly correct and contradict communications coming out of the White House.
Vox is not a non partisan source
Agree. Step one is stop wasting resources on gun violence. It's not a disease. Let the ATF and FBI handle it.My point really was that the Center for DISEASE CONTROL (CDC) really needs to make sure going forward that their job remains laser focused on CONTROLling DISEASEs.
This whole thing needs to be a game changer for them and us as a country. If anyone thinks this is going to be an every hundred year event, well it might not be if we can’t get our crap together.
Sorry for the rant but we need to put politics aside after this debacle is over and figure out how to make sure we aren’t caught with our pants down again.
For the last week or so I have/had something that turns out to be a severe bacterial respiratory infection. Even though it wasn’t, the thought that it might be COVID and that I might pass it to my family scared the crap out of me. I don’t want for me or anyone else to have to deal with that again from COVID-2X.
It's published in its entirety - it wasn't written by Vox, just released online by them.
And, fwiw, it's in the "reliable for news" box in the media bias chart published each year, so it's not as partisan as you think. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba
Vox a true voice of the people... You actually believe them?... total garbage .It was published by Vox a couple days ago. The executive branch team that was supposed to coordinate all of this was let go last year. The administration has been running largely off book, with experts like Fauci having constantly correct and contradict communications coming out of the White House.
Vox a true voice of the people... You actually believe them?... total garbage .
Yeah that’s soooo much better...people excoriate Trump but swear to the high heavens on these bull shat media rags... very seldom can we believe CNN, MSNBC or FOX ... they have their own bias... people seldom think for themselves... it’s like a college class where the prof or teaching assistant loves when you regurgitate their thoughts back... and that is found at particularly at most colleges and universities since the 50-60’s...Couple things, after I went and looked it up again.
First off, I was wrong - it wasn't Vox, it was Politico that had posted it. The story was subsequently picked up by multiple outlets.
Second, it's a primary source document. You can ignore all the article around it if you like - every word written by whatever person works for Politico. Unless you believe they fabricated a 69-page US Government document in its entirety, in which case, I don't know what to tell you.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285
^^^Sooo, apparently he is insisting it's a fake 69-page US Government document.Yeah that’s soooo much better...people excoriate Trump but swear to the high heavens on these bull shat media rags... very seldom can we believe CNN, MSNBC or FOX ... they have their own bias... people seldom think for themselves... it’s like a college class where the prof or teaching assistant loves when you regurgitate their thoughts back... and that is found at particularly at most colleges and universities since the 50-60’s...
How many documents or reports do you think the government puts out every year? I am not denying that there is a report just questioning how much stock to put into the report. I put a couple quotes from the article with an NSC official saying it was basically kicked around never becoming an official report.
trump is not obligated to adhere to every document every previous administration puts out. he has experts who have been lifers im the government who probably helped write the report advising him.
^^^Sooo, apparently he is insisting it's a fake 69-page US Government document.
It was never adopted by the current administration as their policy. But it was also never officially replaced by a new plan. The White House team that was in place to respond to pandemics and coordinate response was disbanded. The ongoing database that was maintained for years was allowed to lapse.
There was a lot of work that went into preparing for a major epidemic on US soil, but in the moment none of it was used.
History will not look favorably on our response to this crisis.
this is fake news. Disband and reorganize are two completely different things. Anyone who says that it was disbanded is not saying it in good faith.
Obama is not the president. every former obama official thinks that trump should follow everything they do... it is no surprise that former obama officials talk about their report, even though it was never made official), would save the world.
I agree history will look back unfavorably. The amount of panic that was injected into people’s minds is truly remarkable. The stimulus will go down as the worst bill in American history... one thing I know for sure though is that the people who predicted 2M dead will some how still have jobs.
One thing is also true if we are doing a bad job China, France, Italy, Spain... are doing a terrible job.
that being said I think it is very important to keep things in perspective however with trump president I fear that will never happen. People hate him to much.
Ha, I got caught reading the back and forth and forgot what the title even was.It may be time for this thread to die. I’m as guilty as anyone but it has long outlived it’s title.
Very sorry to hear.Well my friends, I just found out a past coworkers fiancé who works in the medical field just passed from the virus, my former coworker is a genuine nice guy and gentle giant , he starting working as a bus driver in the city a year ago and had brought a house with his girlfriend and future wife , they were living the dream . What’s even worse is they couldn’t even visit her physically so she passed being alone. Please be safe everyone this is a scary time.
Wish you were a grandmaIt's the same shit Christie pulled with the Hurrican Sandy relief bill. He cried and cried about how people would die if Congress didn't give him the money immediately ... and then three years later he still hadn't spent most of it. It was just a gigantic slush fund paid for by the tax payers of other states.
Cuomo was absolutely right not to spend 600 million dollars for 30,000 ventilators. But he is also a major league scumbag for criticizing the administration for not providing them to him fast enough when he was warned four years earlier to do it himself. And I reiterate, Cuomo is the same a-hole who caused the housing crisis of 2008. He defines incompetence.
Then yesterday, in a glimpse of honesty, he actually let it slip that maybe it was a bad idea to shut the city down because the virus was going to spread anyway and it crushed the small businesses. This is, of course, what I've been saying for over a week now, but when I said it people on here screamed and cried that I was willing to kill grandma. *yawn*
Very sorry to hear that, the people on the front lines are going through hell right now.My friends co-worker at Ocean Medical in Brick just died from it yesterday,