“Has a coach ever been more important to a school than Greg Schiano is to Rutgers?”
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Maybe something like the University of St. Francis in Illinois. If your response is "who?", then you understand what Rockne meant to ND.
He's the closest to Schiano? A guy who brought a school from nowhere to the start of a decade of dominance in the sport is "close" to Schiano?
I'm not even sure how Schiano is even in the discussion for the thread title. I think he's done a good job but the answer to the question is, "yes, there have been many".
Greg Schiano is more important to Rutgers than John Wooden was the UCLA?
paterno to Penn state?
I like Schiano. I think he’s the guy we need today. But he’s not even the best coach that Rutgers has ever had. That man would be John Bateman. He went 73-51 at Rutgers and literally… LITERALLY… wrote the book on football tactics. The man was a PhD and assistant coach to Lou Little at Columbia before coming to Rutgers. They don’t even MAKE EM that impressive anymore
people tend to forget things like you mentioned.
Some just claim they never felt that way, it was others: not them.
I was sad to see Greg leave for the pros , but I wasn't very sad about it because I felt (by 2011) Schiano was the type of HC that would have a winning program every year , but not at the elite level I wanted.
So though I liked Greg as the HC, I felt to be among the best Rutgers needed a change.
Many complained about Greg's salary compared to production, I didn't think he was overpaid and felt he recruited the type of talent that could make RU an elite program , just thought his game-day skills wasn't good enough to make Rutgers an elite program .
The change came, but the administration cheeped out and it was back to the dumpster again .
To be fair, the OP merely reposted an online article without commentary. And it’s not entirely without interest to RUFB fans.
But I obviously agree that hero-worship of coaches, or athletes, entertainers, politicians, etc. is always a joke. A really bad joke.
A firefighter running into a burning building ro save lives is a hero. A soldier that dives on a grenade to save others’ lives is a hero. A person that dives into rushing floodwater to try to save someone is a hero. But even those real heroes should not be worshipped - adulation is still not appropriate even for them.
nope when he left i was bummed big time. i knew things would change for the worse for a long time. i knew flood pretty well obviously and liked him but we knew he was not the guy. then Ash toll control and totally ran it into the ground. thank God greg is back.
Yes thankfully Greg is back.
When Greg left I thought Rutgers would pay around what he was making to the new HC, but they went on the cheap and got what they paid for , ruining what Schiano built .
I put my feelings as Schiano gave me high expectations and fell a little short of what kind of program I came to expect RU to have , because of how Greg made it into a constant winner starting in 2005.
By 20O9 I expected a BCS bowl team and when Greg left I thought Rutgers would bring in someone who would do what Greg failed to accomplish.
Flood was able to use Schanio's players to win , but as they left you could see the drop in overal talent he was bringing in.
Ash was a Terry Shea type disaster
Bowden was my first thought. I went back and took a look. The 3 years before he arrived, FSU was 0-11, 1-10, 3-8. This would be like Schiano taking over for Shea and eventually winning a couple national championships.
The Schiano boot lickers would counter that FSU was in a much easier conference and that GS has done a better job than Bobby ever did just by getting to 6-6 last year
Schiano. Is. God. Oh wait that's a typo...I meant to say good. 😘
schiano is a rutgers god no other way to say it. the country has taken notice. go RU.
Can’t tell if you’re being serious. Or if joking or maybe trolling.
But in any event, no. He is not any kind of god.
Not joking or trolling , all serious . You can have your opinion from behind the keyboard .
Sure he is, to some. That’s the thing about gods, it’s a personal choice not restricted to the whimsical fantasies of countless cultures dating back thousands of years ago.
So, like, are you gonna start praying to him? Will you do all he commands? Will you kneel before him?
Many churches are forming all across the nation as we speak. The Church of Chop. The Sect of Sacred Scarlet Schianoism. The Later Day Schianoists
The more important thing with Schnellenberger is that he created a winning infrastructure at Miami. They won multiple National Championships under different coaches after he left.
I thought the comparison was which coach had the biggest positive impact on a program. Both brought teams back from the dead. Howard had over all better results obviously, but both their impacts on their respective programs was the correlation I was making.
Howard also had more financial, and sometimes though not always, administrative support
he's only in the discussion because of the low standards and expectations here. We saw fan reaction at a big time program, Tennessee, when he (almost) got hired and when OSU chose someone with much less experience instead of him.
It's all relative, and as far as Shelby is concerned, being the big fish in the small pond isn't the big deal people make it out to be.
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Names mentioned and putting my choice as the one I compare Schiano to as the first name on my list .
Bill Snyder made KSU into a good program, retired then came back 4 years later to do it again ( Snyder saved Kansas State from the dumpster twice , Greg looks to be doing the same at Rutgers)
On Tom Osborn, he made Nebraska a name brand, but he didn’t inherit a bad program. Bob Devaney already made the Cornhuskers a force in the Big 8
"Bo" Schembechler took over a program that wasn’t very good and made it into a power to be reckoned with
Howard Schnellenberger made Miami U into a power, it had been so bad that the powers to be had considered dropping the U’s football program.
You might say Howard moved the U out of the trash heal like Greg did for Rutgers years later
(Howard and Greg might be a good choice as closest to Greg, but I feel Bill and Greg might be clones of each other )
JoePerv took over a fairly good Nit program from Rip Engle who was 104-48-4 as the Nit’s HC . The perv protector did make PSU a top program, but he inherited a pretty good one
Woody Hayes made the Buckeyes one of the best , but they weren’t a bad program , just not one considered a good one when college football was talked about before he arrived.
Bobby Bowden took over a pretty bad program at FSU , then made it a well respected name brand
Dabo Swinney took over from Tommy Bowden ( who was 72-45 as the Tigers HC before he resigned ) and made a good program into a great one
Bill Snyder made KSU into a good program, retired then came back 4 years later to do it again ( Snyder saved Kansas State from the dumpster twice , Greg looks to be doing the same at Rutgers)
On Tom Osborn, he made Nebraska a name brand, but he didn’t inherit a bad program. Bob Devaney already made the Cornhuskers a force in the Big 8
"Bo" Schembechler took over a program that wasn’t very good and made it into a power to be reckoned with
Howard Schnellenberger made Miami U into a power, it had been so bad that the powers to be had considered dropping the U’s football program.
You might say Howard moved the U out of the trash heal like Greg did for Rutgers years later
(Howard and Greg might be a good choice as closest to Greg, but I feel Bill and Greg might be clones of each other )
JoePerv took over a fairly good Nit program from Rip Engle who was 104-48-4 as the Nit’s HC . The perv protector did make PSU a top program, but he inherited a pretty good one
Woody Hayes made the Buckeyes one of the best , but they weren’t a bad program , just not one considered a good one when college football was talked about before he arrived.
Bobby Bowden took over a pretty bad program at FSU , then made it a well respected name brand
Dabo Swinney took over from Tommy Bowden ( who was 72-45 as the Tigers HC before he resigned ) and made a good program into a great one
The Snyder comparison is interesting and on target, except that Schiano is/was 12-15 years younger for both 1.0 and 2.0 so he could continue 2.0 longer.
That is extremely innaccurate. FSU joined the ACC in 1992 and went on about a 10 year run of dominating that conference. Prior to 1992, FSU was an independent and increasingly became a national player in the 1980s. The 1987 team was probably the most talented that year. Yet they lost to Miami at home 26 -25 after leading by 19 in the 3rd quarter. Their teams in the 1990s were off the charts, they won 2 NCs and probably should have won 4 NCs. They were the dominant program in the 1990s, followed closely by Nebraska.
The best Schiano comparison is with Bill Snyder at KSU. When he took over that program in the late 1980s, they were among the worst in Div 1A. Similar to RU when Schiano took over. However by the mid to late 1990s, KSU had become a national title contender. Schiano in 1.0 did not get to that level. The 2006 team was a legit top 15 team but not a NC type team. After Snyder left KSU, they started to tank similar to when Schiano left RU in 2012. Snyder returned and got KSU very competitive again. I would give Snyder the advantage but Schiano 2.0 isn’t complete yet.
Cristobal at Miami.. one time GS assistant and who GS probably recommended to Pernetti when he left for TB.. no money to get it done.
PJ Fleck.. so-so
Hafley.. failed at BC while Bill O'Brien seems to be succeeding.. with Hafley recruits and his transfers..
Fran Brown.. just had a nice win at UNLV for Syracuse
Flood is doing well at OC level at Texas..
Who else from the GS coaching tree is getting it done out there.. choppin' ?
PJ Fleck.. so-so
Hafley.. failed at BC while Bill O'Brien seems to be succeeding.. with Hafley recruits and his transfers..
Fran Brown.. just had a nice win at UNLV for Syracuse
Flood is doing well at OC level at Texas..
Who else from the GS coaching tree is getting it done out there.. choppin' ?
He is kinda right though.. it is pretty weird at face value. The need to claim those admiring the job Schiano has done have issues.
I just think you are a GS hater and found this angle of attack.. minimize what he has done for Rutgers Football because anything else would seem foolish... and you are too smart to do that... too crafty.
