Richie tweeted the stat sheet for the Yale scrimmage. It looks like we crushed them on the boards but were 1-16 from 3 point range. I'm not sure if we need a shooting coach or a hypnotist. How could we not have a single guy that can knock down 3's?
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Well, you can't just look at a single game and make a final conclusion that we have "nobody" that can hit a three. Obviously we're not going to shoot 6% from beyond the 3-point arc for the entire year.
We have guys that can make 3-pointers -- Sanders, Johnson, Williams, Thiam, Bullock -- but the question is whether they're going to hit enough of them to make the team credible from deep, and whether they can avoid long droughts in hitting threes.
The good news is that we're going to be a much better rebounding team this year. Of that I am certain, not just because we have more big guys, but because we have a coach who has actually made rebounding a focus point.
We have guys that can make 3-pointers -- Sanders, Johnson, Williams, Thiam, Bullock -- but the question is whether they're going to hit enough of them to make the team credible from deep, and whether they can avoid long droughts in hitting threes.
The good news is that we're going to be a much better rebounding team this year. Of that I am certain, not just because we have more big guys, but because we have a coach who has actually made rebounding a focus point.
You can add Sa, Freeman and Gettys to the list of kids that shoot the 3.
They can make plenty...it's about consistency in the offense. There won't be a need to jack late/long 3's if the concepts are run correctly. Lots more O will come moving towards the basket
They can make plenty...it's about consistency in the offense. There won't be a need to jack late/long 3's if the concepts are run correctly. Lots more O will come moving towards the basket
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I have said in the past (like only once or twice) winning shooting 11-22 ish from 3 is like fool's gold. Turn 1-16 to 6-16 and things look totally different. People will strongly disagree with me, but shooting is very random. The differential of the expected makes of the best vs. worst shooting team probably is no more than 6-7 points per game.
Did research from 2016.....
#1 43.4%
#10 40.2%
#341 29.2%
#351 27.3%
take away the outliers and compare 10th best and 10th worst 3 point shooters in 2016 and you get 40.2-29.2 = 11%. 16 attempts * .11 *3 = 5.28 PPG
#1 43.4%
#10 40.2%
#341 29.2%
#351 27.3%
take away the outliers and compare 10th best and 10th worst 3 point shooters in 2016 and you get 40.2-29.2 = 11%. 16 attempts * .11 *3 = 5.28 PPG
We aren't going to go 6% for the season. In fact lets get it out of our system now.
I am a big believer in reversion to the mean. Against Molloy I am expecting 3-16.
Our best shooters from the Arc this year will be Thiam, Johnson, and Sa. I said it.
Just from the 3 pt contest, they seem to have the most reliable form. 2 feet up, 2 feet down.
I am not going to overanalyze over 1 game though. Oh wait, I might have already done it!
Just from the 3 pt contest, they seem to have the most reliable form. 2 feet up, 2 feet down.
I am not going to overanalyze over 1 game though. Oh wait, I might have already done it!
What I am most interested in seeing going forward is how Gettys adjust to playing defense from a patience standpoint. If he can stay in games, we have better chances.
I already tweeted at him and talked to Coach Young via email. He can be a very important piece for us if he keeps his arms straight up and stays on two feet.
I already tweeted at him and talked to Coach Young via email. He can be a very important piece for us if he keeps his arms straight up and stays on two feet.
I will even say that the success of the season depends on how well Gettys stays out of fool trouble, how well we compete on defense, and how the ball is passed.
Thats it.
I know what we are getting from Sanders, Johnson, Laurent, and Freeman, and Thiam.
Add in what Omoyuri can do.
Thats it.
I know what we are getting from Sanders, Johnson, Laurent, and Freeman, and Thiam.
Add in what Omoyuri can do.
It's hard to say how bad the 1 for 16 was... were we missing open looks or was the poor shooting a result of not running the offense well nor setting screens to create open looks so threes were hoisted up to beat the shot clock.
looking forward to Nov. 11th when we can see them live to see what style we will be playing and what we have.
Did anybody see the scrimmage? It's real bad news if the shots were well contested (esp against an ivy team) which would mean the percentage will go up, but not enough. If they're clean looks--either off secondary breaks or good ball movement--I'm not too worried. With good looks you're gonna make college 3s.
Sorry 4theknights--should have noticed your post before putting mine up.
Sorry 4theknights--should have noticed your post before putting mine up.
Could one of the stats gurus here possibly identify college teams that are highly successful without future NBA quality talent and poor 3-point shooters? Does a team like Dayton, for instance, shoot the ball well from distance? They always seem like a highly competitive team without Kentucky/Duke talent and without killing it from long distance shooting the ball.
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If we are counting on / expecting Gettys for anything other than 8-9 mins, 2-3 pts, 2-3 boards, some banging and fouls, the team is in serious trouble. For 3s....LOL.
Ain't happening...
If we are counting on / expecting Gettys for anything other than 8-9 mins, 2-3 pts, 2-3 boards, some banging and fouls, the team is in serious trouble. For 3s....LOL.
Ain't happening...
Three point scoring along with the shot clock has changed the offensive aspect of basketball.The notion that Rutgers or any other team will be successful without consistent 3 point shooting is truly wishful thinking. Opponents will zone Rutgers which will make it far more difficult for dribble drives to the basket or post up moves .
Outside shooting improves with rhythm in the offense. Catch and shot guys are not just about shooting ability but also timing. As this team plays together more and learns each other their shooting will improve. Will they be a deadly team from the arc, probably not. But, I am sure that they will be a lot better than 1/16. Give this staff and this team some time to gel.
No pure shooters on the team. Few of them can get hot (even Williams did one game end of season) but the 1-5s will far out number the 4-7s. Is what it is. Rather not see much volume from three from any of them. Expect nothing from the freshman until we see he can play both ends and keep up at this level.
We were 330th in the country in 3 point attempts last year, 334th in 3 pointers made, and 292nd in 3 point percentage. Not gonna turn that around in one off-season.
This will all be off last years stats but here are a couple of teams...
West Virginia last year (32.5%, 268th nationally) but they boarded like crazy, finished first in the country in offensive rebounding percentage.
Texas A&M shot 34.1% from deep (192 in nation), but also rebounded well offensively.
Cincy didn't shoot the three that well (34.8%, 164th nationally) or defend the three well (235th nationally) but they were 20th overall in offensive rebound %
St. Joes doesn't fall into this since they had Bembry but they didn't shoot it well from deep or board well on offense, finished 4th overall in turnover % though so they made up for it taking care of the ball.
SDSU shot 32.6% (265th) from deep but boarded well and finished 2nd in the nation in defending the three.
Dayton was average shooting the three (34.4%, 179th) They made their killing defending the 2 and not giving up offensive rebounds to the other team.
Hawaii fits the mold. They had Jankovic who wasn't drafted but signed with the Heat and played one preseason game before being released. They shot 32.3% from deep (278th) but were 6th best defending the three and 20th best defending the two ball.
The 1-16 is nothing to freak out over, we should be somewhere in the 32%-35% range at worst. (Average to below average)
Grier is gone but there won't be as many late in the shot clock chuck and pray three's this season.
More important than how we shoot from deep is how we defend from deep. Last season we were getting killed since we didn't have the size and everyone was constantly helping all over on defense.
Last year we just checked all the boxes for a really bad team. Didn't defend the three, didn't shoot the three, didn't rebound, didn't defend the two, didn't hit the two, didn't hit FT's.
Because of our size we were even worse defending the two point field goal than we were defending the 3 point field goal. (311th against the two, 307th against the three)
Just give it time, there's no magic switch to flip. That being said just with the size back healthy and the added talent this team is already better. How quickly the players buy into the new system remains to be seen.
Isn't reversion to the mean 4 or 5 out of 16? That might be enough to keep teams honest assuming we have a big team and will rebound very well. 1 for 16 is terrible, I'd guess some of the guys who launched threes will be told in practice, do that again and you can sit next to me.
Bad start, one scrimmage, how did they shoot it vs. Monmouth? Season starts in 10 days, we will find out shortly if we are going to be 340th in 3 point shooting. Coach P. seems pretty smart, I think if we are 340th early he will limit our 3 point shots.
Bad start, one scrimmage, how did they shoot it vs. Monmouth? Season starts in 10 days, we will find out shortly if we are going to be 340th in 3 point shooting. Coach P. seems pretty smart, I think if we are 340th early he will limit our 3 point shots.
You have it right. Our 3 pt defense will have to be better. Watch us get scorched against a great 3 pt shooting team while playing man defense. Games changing, the mind has to change as well.
Pikiells got it though. I have full faith in him. We always have to be willing to adjust, and I am sure he will.
Thanks for the numbers. I can't look it up at work, how did Virginia do? How did Purdue do? Those are teams I don't remember having stellar three point play, but maybe I'm wrong.
Shooting 11-22 from 3 is how you win in college basketball.
Having multiple legitimate threats from the perimeter changes the ENTIRE game and strategy of your opponent
We just need to be efficient at putting the ball in the hoop....doesn't necessarily mean that we need stellar 3 pt shooting
Indeed, shooting threes in rhythm and shooting them out of a desperation are completely different. I'd like to see the percentage a team shoots threes with 4-20 seconds on the shot clock and what its 3-point percentage is with 1-3 seconds on the shot clock.
This season, I'm willing to bet RU's 3-point shooting percentage will be more than acceptable if 80 percent of its 3-point attempts are within the rhythm of the offense and not with the clock winding down. If we struggle to get good looks and have to hoist threes just before the buzzer goes off, our shooting percentage will be pretty horrid.
Thanks for the research.
It seems like the moral of the story is, get more offensive rebounds and you have a chance to get more points. Luckily, we did okay on the boards. Getty needs to be able to play without fouling. Why?I do not think he is a game changer, but he is seemingly the most ready center we have. I think he is a decent player. He will be of no help from the bench, though. He is trying to block, getting too impatient with his hands, and it showed.
Just one game. I emailed with Coach Young about it. Hopefully we see improvement.
Virginia shot 40% (10th in nation), Purdue shot 36.7% (73rd in nation).
Purdue did everything well last year except forcing turnovers.
You aren't going to have an effective or efficient half court offense if you can't shoot the ball. Well coached defensive teams will shut RU down if they don't consistently knock down 3s.
Hard to win B1G games if you're getting outscored by 15 points from 3 range. The women find that out every season and still don't have those shooters.
We need good hard cuts and screens to create open looks. We saw this being worked on at practice. This should help our FG % if we continue to improve on this. Saw time spent on getting kick outs to the open corner threes with Thuam and Mike W.
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