2 for 1 UPDATED...what's right and wrong

[NewJerseyHawk]

I didn't comment in the original 2 for 1 comment because it's too many pages and is 100% out of context....here's the real deal.

A) it is a 100% correct play BUT it is not correct in end game situations at the college level.

1) It is an NBA concept, where you have 4 quarters of a game NOT 2 halves like College hoops.

You can go 2 for 1 3 separate times at the end of 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters, because there is a team that gets possession already determined at the end of each quarter.

2) 2 for 1 is NOT or very rarely executed well in the NBA in the 4th quarter. There are close games but there are so few close games every night that can give you a 2 for 1.

3) For RU and college hoops, you absolutely have a chance for 2 for 1, if it's the end of the 1st half.....there's no pressure to try it....it is a freebie to take a quick shot.

4) This is the biggest difference why it is NOT a good item in college hoops vs NBA....in the NBA, you get to advance the ball past half court, if you get the rebound.....AND, you get to advance the ball to half court, even if the other team scores.....as long as you have a timeout and call it.

In college, there is no advancement of the ball past half court if you rebound or the team scores, after a timeout. You have to inbound the ball and if it's under 8 seconds, the likelihood of execution where you inbound the ball and try and race up the court and find someone open or get a shot, is not going to always get a good look/shot.

I am all for 2 for 1 but in college with 18 to 23 year olds, the likely mistake is a bad or rushed shot, which is what Northwestern took under 1 minute left...RU got the rebound and instead of rushing for their own 2 for 1, took their time to get the shot they wanted and decided to defend.

This should clear the argument up, but it's not as easy as it appears in college vs those who see this each night, in the NBA....1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters....100% yes.....4th quarter when pressure is high and defense turned up 3 notches....?? Yes, but dealing with pros, who play 82 games a year, plus preseason and understand the game much better than college.

 

[Scangg]

Lol only Hawk has the arrogance to start another thread on this as the definitive answer. Keep Hawking

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Lol only Hawk has the arrogance to start another thread on this as the definitive answer. Keep Hawking

Thanks man, as always, certainly can count on a select few to add value.

Feel free to breakdown what's right and wrong....if being correct is "arrogant", then I accept the compliment 100%....:Laughing:Laughing:Laughing

 

[Scangg]

Thanks man, as always, certainly can count on a select few to add value.

Feel free to breakdown what's right and wrong....if being correct is "arrogant", then I accept the compliment 100%....:Laughing:Laughing:Laughing

You're not correct, just arrogant. Read through the other thread and find out. Do you seriously want everyone to come to this thread now and repost all their thoughts bc the almighty Hawk has spoken on the matter but is too lazy to read the thread himself? You have some good points sometimes but seriously man get over yourself. Mods should just merge the thread

 

[zebnatto]

I didn't comment in the original 2 for 1 comment because it's too many pages and is 100% out of context....here's the real deal.

A) it is a 100% correct play BUT it is not correct in end game situations at the college level.

1) It is an NBA concept, where you have 4 quarters of a game NOT 2 halves like College hoops.

You can go 2 for 1 3 separate times at the end of 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters, because there is a team that gets possession already determined at the end of each quarter.

2) 2 for 1 is NOT or very rarely executed well in the NBA in the 4th quarter. There are close games but there are so few close games every night that can give you a 2 for 1.

3) For RU and college hoops, you absolutely have a chance for 2 for 1, if it's the end of the 1st half.....there's no pressure to try it....it is a freebie to take a quick shot.

4) This is the biggest difference why it is NOT a good item in college hoops vs NBA....in the NBA, you get to advance the ball past half court, if you get the rebound.....AND, you get to advance the ball to half court, even if the other team scores.....as long as you have a timeout and call it.

In college, there is no advancement of the ball past half court if you rebound or the team scores, after a timeout. You have to inbound the ball and if it's under 8 seconds, the likelihood of execution where you inbound the ball and try and race up the court and find someone open or get a shot, is not going to always get a good look/shot.

I am all for 2 for 1 but in college with 18 to 23 year olds, the likely mistake is a bad or rushed shot, which is what Northwestern took under 1 minute left...RU got the rebound and instead of rushing for their own 2 for 1, took their time to get the shot they wanted and decided to defend.

This should clear the argument up, but it's not as easy as it appears in college vs those who see this each night, in the NBA....1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters....100% yes.....4th quarter when pressure is high and defense turned up 3 notches....?? Yes, but dealing with pros, who play 82 games a year, plus preseason and understand the game much better than college.

I disagree, Hawk:

Points 1 and 2 off topic, irrelevant. Point 3 exaggerated—whatever you decide in that situation There’s going to be ton of pressure. Point 4: Advancing ball is an issue if there are five or fewer seconds left. But if we run the same play we wound up running without the 20 second run down of clock—we weren’t executing anything except killing clock—we have about ten seconds left.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

I disagree, Hawk:

Points 1 and 2 off topic, irrelevant. Point 3 exaggerated—whatever you decide in that situation There’s going to be ton of pressure. Point 4: Advancing ball is an issue if there are five or fewer seconds left. But if we run the same play we wound up running without the 20 second run down of clock—we weren’t executing anything except killing clock—we have about ten seconds left.

feel into the trap lol.

 

[zebnatto]

feel into the trap lol.

No, you fell into the trap of believing I fell into a trap.

 

[ScarletNut]

I didn't comment in the original 2 for 1 comment because it's too many pages and is 100% out of context....here's the real deal.

A) it is a 100% correct play BUT it is not correct in end game situations at the college level.

1) It is an NBA concept, where you have 4 quarters of a game NOT 2 halves like College hoops.

You can go 2 for 1 3 separate times at the end of 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters, because there is a team that gets possession already determined at the end of each quarter.

2) 2 for 1 is NOT or very rarely executed well in the NBA in the 4th quarter. There are close games but there are so few close games every night that can give you a 2 for 1.

3) For RU and college hoops, you absolutely have a chance for 2 for 1, if it's the end of the 1st half.....there's no pressure to try it....it is a freebie to take a quick shot.

4) This is the biggest difference why it is NOT a good item in college hoops vs NBA....in the NBA, you get to advance the ball past half court, if you get the rebound.....AND, you get to advance the ball to half court, even if the other team scores.....as long as you have a timeout and call it.

In college, there is no advancement of the ball past half court if you rebound or the team scores, after a timeout. You have to inbound the ball and if it's under 8 seconds, the likelihood of execution where you inbound the ball and try and race up the court and find someone open or get a shot, is not going to always get a good look/shot.

I am all for 2 for 1 but in college with 18 to 23 year olds, the likely mistake is a bad or rushed shot, which is what Northwestern took under 1 minute left...RU got the rebound and instead of rushing for their own 2 for 1, took their time to get the shot they wanted and decided to defend.

This should clear the argument up, but it's not as easy as it appears in college vs those who see this each night, in the NBA....1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters....100% yes.....4th quarter when pressure is high and defense turned up 3 notches....?? Yes, but dealing with pros, who play 82 games a year, plus preseason and understand the game much better than college.

I also think its a function of personnel in college. I can see a team like Iowa with at least 3 superior shooters doing a 2 for 1.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

No, you fell into the trap of believing I fell into a trap.

Shut the Front door lol. Lock it. Don't answer the bell. :Wink:

 

[Scarlet Shack]

I didn't comment in the original 2 for 1 comment because it's too many pages and is 100% out of context....here's the real deal.

A) it is a 100% correct play BUT it is not correct in end game situations at the college level.

1) It is an NBA concept, where you have 4 quarters of a game NOT 2 halves like College hoops.

You can go 2 for 1 3 separate times at the end of 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters, because there is a team that gets possession already determined at the end of each quarter.

2) 2 for 1 is NOT or very rarely executed well in the NBA in the 4th quarter. There are close games but there are so few close games every night that can give you a 2 for 1.

3) For RU and college hoops, you absolutely have a chance for 2 for 1, if it's the end of the 1st half.....there's no pressure to try it....it is a freebie to take a quick shot.

4) This is the biggest difference why it is NOT a good item in college hoops vs NBA....in the NBA, you get to advance the ball past half court, if you get the rebound.....AND, you get to advance the ball to half court, even if the other team scores.....as long as you have a timeout and call it.

In college, there is no advancement of the ball past half court if you rebound or the team scores, after a timeout. You have to inbound the ball and if it's under 8 seconds, the likelihood of execution where you inbound the ball and try and race up the court and find someone open or get a shot, is not going to always get a good look/shot.

I am all for 2 for 1 but in college with 18 to 23 year olds, the likely mistake is a bad or rushed shot, which is what Northwestern took under 1 minute left...RU got the rebound and instead of rushing for their own 2 for 1, took their time to get the shot they wanted and decided to defend.

This should clear the argument up, but it's not as easy as it appears in college vs those who see this each night, in the NBA....1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters....100% yes.....4th quarter when pressure is high and defense turned up 3 notches....?? Yes, but dealing with pros, who play 82 games a year, plus preseason and understand the game much better than college.

Nailed it ...exactly how I see it

College kids get this situations a couple of times a year...maybe.

Onjy so much time to coach situational basketball

What you can always coach ...is working for the shot you want

 

[S_Janowski]

You make a lot of great points but could have made them all in the 9 page thread lol.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

@NewJerseyHawk quick question, op is too long so i didnt read it but do you think tom izzo is a good coach? Because he just went for a 2 for 1 to end their game against illinois and they won. The first possession wound up in a turnover, 2nd wound up in a put back dunk to win by 1 point