I believe in rights via the first amendment, but I think great divisiveness will result from the manner in which some people are protesting. One minute ck is speaking of peacefully expressing his views, the next, he is calling cops murderers. Sounds angry, antagonistic, and insulting. Do you believe all cops are murderers?
2017 commit E. Lopez show a lot of class
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You missed my point. It was about everyone who is concerned about CK's First Amendment rights. I was not comparing the two situations. If people are truely concerned about an individuals First Amendment rights, you shouldn't judge the message. My point is that when the message changes, that support quickly vanishes.
another monkey see, monkey do. just because one asshole does it and gets on the news there will always be followers who dont know why they are following the # 1 asshole but they just do. my first amendment allows me to make this statement
I'm against sitting or kneeling during the playing of the National Anthem because I feel it is showing disrespect to the Flag of the United States of America and there are better ways to protest injustice.
But even though I don't like it. have to agree that those sitting during the National Anthem have a constitutional right to do so.
I also think if you're representing a company, school, government agency or just about any employer while protesting , the constitution only protects you from government action and your employer ( or the administration in charge of what you are representing during the playing of the National Anthem) has every right to discipline you for your action while you are representing them.
That said: I also feel those who are disgusted with the people who sit in protest during the National Anthem and feel it's disrespecting the Flag better not feel the Confederate Flag deserves a place of honor anywhere in the USA.
That flag is a symbol of the utmost disrespect to the Flag of our Nation because those fighting under the confederate flag were killing American Soldiers defending Old Glory and fighting to keep the USA one nation against the traitors that would destroy the USA form their own nation out of parts of the USA.
So if you want to respect the confederate flag, saying it should be officially flown anywhere in the USA and feel those fighting under it were protesting what they felt was injustice, you must respect the protesters that sit during the playing of our National Anthem peacefully protesting the injustice they feel is happening in the United States now.
I just happen to think the confederate flag love is wrong and protesting while representing an employer or anything besides yourself isn't a constitutional right.
The constitution gives you the right , but as an individual not when you are representing an employer or anything else unless you received their permission.
But even though I don't like it. have to agree that those sitting during the National Anthem have a constitutional right to do so.
I also think if you're representing a company, school, government agency or just about any employer while protesting , the constitution only protects you from government action and your employer ( or the administration in charge of what you are representing during the playing of the National Anthem) has every right to discipline you for your action while you are representing them.
That said: I also feel those who are disgusted with the people who sit in protest during the National Anthem and feel it's disrespecting the Flag better not feel the Confederate Flag deserves a place of honor anywhere in the USA.
That flag is a symbol of the utmost disrespect to the Flag of our Nation because those fighting under the confederate flag were killing American Soldiers defending Old Glory and fighting to keep the USA one nation against the traitors that would destroy the USA form their own nation out of parts of the USA.
So if you want to respect the confederate flag, saying it should be officially flown anywhere in the USA and feel those fighting under it were protesting what they felt was injustice, you must respect the protesters that sit during the playing of our National Anthem peacefully protesting the injustice they feel is happening in the United States now.
I just happen to think the confederate flag love is wrong and protesting while representing an employer or anything besides yourself isn't a constitutional right.
The constitution gives you the right , but as an individual not when you are representing an employer or anything else unless you received their permission.
Hmmmm....
Interesting that the head coach is not allowed to exercise his first amendment rights to pray on his own, because in his position of authority that would pressure the kids to join in.
Interesting that the head coach is not allowed to exercise his first amendment rights to pray on his own, because in his position of authority that would pressure the kids to join in.
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If you're kneeling during the national anthem.....you're kneeling during the national anthem. You're not doing anything else. You're not helping solve social injustice. You're creating a conversation about kneeling during the national anthem. You're creating a distraction and nothing more.
This is the kind of guy that would tell Rosa Parks....just be happy we are even allowing you on this nice clean bus.......lol
This may be the silliest thing I have ever seen posted.
Let's have a designated day, time and place for Official Protests..... the 3rd Friday and 4th Sunday of each month. In the event that a month only has 3 Sundays, we will exercise our First Amendment right to protest and Free Speech on the 4th Saturday.
Would anyone listen or pay attention unless something provocative is done?
So who exactly was denied their right to protest here? The coach and most of the team knelt during the national anthem. Nobody was fired. Nobody was suspended. The game was played.
You're an idiot and a racist for even suggesting that. Unlike you, I'm in an interracial marriage and see society as color blind. When you dig into the truth of police statistics, there isn't a problem in this country... only a media fabrication. But sorry, research is obviously too hard for you to do, so you resort to accusing people of nasty things. a$$hole.
Find another way for Christ's sakes, this is high school football. Instead of taking a knee during the anthem which I feel is incredibly disrespectful towards the people who've sacrificed for this country, how about going out in your community and trying to figure out a way to try and make it a better place to live.
It's just like all the colored ribbon wearers. It does nothing to make anything better, just shows that "I'm aware". Was the Save Our Girls hashtag going to convince those animals in Boko Haram or Procul Harum or whatever it is to release those poor kids being held as sex slaves?
Just another way to feel good about yourself with getting nothing done.
It's just like all the colored ribbon wearers. It does nothing to make anything better, just shows that "I'm aware". Was the Save Our Girls hashtag going to convince those animals in Boko Haram or Procul Harum or whatever it is to release those poor kids being held as sex slaves?
Just another way to feel good about yourself with getting nothing done.
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Yes, everyone has a right to be an arsehole and disrespectable.
Edwin Lopez also has the right to stand up for what is right and be a man of character instead of just going along with the latest tread, and that is what he did. Good for him!
Edwin Lopez also has the right to stand up for what is right and be a man of character instead of just going along with the latest tread, and that is what he did. Good for him!
Do you guys stand at home every time you hear the anthem?
This board is so full of faux outrage. A perfect microcosm of this society if you ask me. Do you guys feel better when you get this insanity off your chest? I hope so because these conversations are becoming troubling.
"rabble rabble rabble.. Everything people who agree with me on is right and everyone else is an a$$hole."
Hope you guys are teaching your children better than you act on this anonymous board.
This board is so full of faux outrage. A perfect microcosm of this society if you ask me. Do you guys feel better when you get this insanity off your chest? I hope so because these conversations are becoming troubling.
"rabble rabble rabble.. Everything people who agree with me on is right and everyone else is an a$$hole."
Hope you guys are teaching your children better than you act on this anonymous board.
You should quit while you are behind. You called Cali out as stupid and you didn't read the article. Please don't read this either and comment on it with your pig ignorant SJW entitlement garbage.
Ridiculous comparison, stand up and be proud of your country, put your hand over your heart and sing as well when the situation calls for it.
Honoring the flag and your countrybefore sporting events is an event that calls for it.
Why? If it about respect, it's about respect. Why does the location of the anthem change the meaning?
Just asking. I have no problem standing during the anthem as a sign of respect. Just pointing out situations have grey areas. For so much hate to be spewed is sad.
And I do. But if someone does it for what they deem as legitamate, I have ZERO problem with it. I have no right to tell people how to feel.
John Carlos and Tommy Smith couldn't eat in most upscale restaurants in the South and many elsewhere in 1968. The confederate battle flag was carried by segregation it's everywhere, they could not play sports at any SEC school and MLK had just been killed. Yet they wereconidered trait or then by many. Today many, including me, consider them brave heroes.
Agree or not with these protests, the evidence of ogling racial injustice is patent. And just imagine what happeneed beforeally cell phones and body cams presumably have some sort of chilling effect on bad behavior. In NYC, a guy gets choked to death for selling cigarettes and the only indictment is of the guy who took the video.
In Chicago and Cleveland and SC, video's show questionable shootings.
This is not to say that most policemen aren't decent. They are. It is to say that there is a big problem that needs to be addressed
And unless it is constantly being highlighted, history suggests it won't be.
Agree or not with these protests, the evidence of ogling racial injustice is patent. And just imagine what happeneed beforeally cell phones and body cams presumably have some sort of chilling effect on bad behavior. In NYC, a guy gets choked to death for selling cigarettes and the only indictment is of the guy who took the video.
In Chicago and Cleveland and SC, video's show questionable shootings.
This is not to say that most policemen aren't decent. They are. It is to say that there is a big problem that needs to be addressed
And unless it is constantly being highlighted, history suggests it won't be.
No other western country plays the anthem before sporting events, besides Canada in leagues they share with the US.
Sorry, but the freedom to not stand > a song, one is the Constitution and the other is not.
We can agree to disagree about the actions of the players but we cannot disagree it's their right.
Those opposed are clearly doing a poor job as CK has soaring jersey sales.
Honoring the flag? A flag is a symbol of a nations value. If a person can't protest racial injustice for a nation whose core value is liberty and equality for all, then that flag has no meaning. If you look at history and the most totalitarian regimes, they tended to worship flags and other symbols rather than humanistic ideals. Think Swastikas and Red flags. Not to compare our flag to theirs, but it is about the underlying value's not the cloth. Our soldiers fought for our values, not the symbol.
Wow I liked a Manhattan post!
And the "leave the country if you don't like it" is straight out of Moscow or Istanbul these days.
This Lopez kid is the type of kid we want at RU... Irregardless of whether you agree w him or not, the kid has got guts by doing what he thought was right... Got to admire that... Good for him
"Pig ignorant". You should quit while you're behind chief. Seeing your comments I'm not worried that I'm dealing with an intellectual equal. Now go back to Fox News for your next talking point.
Where does the country seem divided most?I think it is the media. Some advice was given to me-stop watching mainstream tv. Go experience life for what it is. I trust you are already doing just this. Still, I do not watch the news and I interact with dozens of people everyday with people that of are different backgrounds from me.
Life is life. It is a lot more gratifying to experience in on the streets of New Brunswick than on what the media is telling me is happening.
Wasn't the election of Obama supposed to bring on a post racial America????
I'm not saying that he's to blame at all. Just an observation that racial tension is higher than it's been in a while but I don't htink it's as bad as people would want you to believe.
Just saying.
I'm not saying that he's to blame at all. Just an observation that racial tension is higher than it's been in a while but I don't htink it's as bad as people would want you to believe.
Just saying.
Since he is our first bi racial president I think we all thought so but what a dud he turned out to be . Things are worse than ever with race. He took us back years.
do you take your hat off when a show on tv takes place in a restaurant, do you take your shoes off when in a show or movie people go into ones house. You're making a ridicilous comparaison
Really? You are in a bunch of threads saying how you don't want two of our greatest representatives of RU because they out their fist up during/after the anthem. Explain the difference. Why don't you stand at home if the flag/anthem are so sacred for you to throw people under the bus? Please tell me the difference. I mean you don't have a flag at your house to salute every day. How dare you not love your country.
Why did they do it? Who the hell are you to tell two grown men how to feel. By all means, stop being a fan. I'll take the McCourty's.
Cali As someone who lives to POPOWIC,piss other posters off whenever I can, I concede that you are the king. While others make their point in one or two posts within a particular thread on this topic you feel the need to reinforce and reiterate what we already know about your racial politics in multiple posts within the same thread. Get in and get out. Stick and move. Go have lunch with an african american . :grimace:
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